Don’t know what to tell you about Jedi, but at least you have adywans 97 reconstruction of empire.
I’m not sure that it’s completely conformed to the 97. IIRC, it’s a recolorized 2004 with 1997 soundtrack and the GOUT emperor put in.
Out of curiosity, what’s the rationale behind this reversion:
"-Returning R2’s jump cut roll in the Tantive IV secondary corridor"
I think I might be the individual he’s talking about.
The way I see it, one of the goals of this project is to use it as a base for one of Harmy’s future projects. As such, it’s pretty painless to just insert the nice HD 2004 copy of a despecialized shot so that someone (such as Harmy) has a color matched shot already present instead of needing to match it to the surrounding color and contrast.
There are hundreds of shots that still need to be despecialized, I just figured it was an easy opportunity to roll a quick shot back with Neverar’s color settings intact.
You know we should have in there somewhere that there isn’t even an official release that looks as good as the SE prints 20 years ago which weren’t perfect but at least were serviceable and relatively accurate.
While true, I think this strays too far from the focus. The point is to demand the OOT more so than to point out that very few of Lucasfilm’s decisions over the last 20 years have seemingly made any sense. It would be very easy to make them look incompetent, but I don’t think there’s any need.
Somebody should do one of these posts on Reddit:
<----- Number of people that want the original theatrical version of star wars released on blu-ray
If that hit the front page of reddit it would mean quite a bit I think. The OT crowd would definitely have to get the ball rolling. I’m assuming everybody has reddit accounts?
In my experience, the reddit SW crowd is intensely pro-Lucas (and pro-PT/SE). Things related to the original films are usually down voted to oblivion. That and TFN are probably where a lot of our prequel trolls find us from.
If it gained traction in r/movies, this might work. It’s a bigger sub and a default one, so it would be seen by a better variety of people if it isn’t first brigaded by the r/starwars crew.
Would it be strange to add a line to the end of the letter something like “we would love the opportunity to discuss this with you” or “if you would like to hear our ideas please feel free to reach out”?
Well, the note asks for a response. It’s presumably a public response that they would give (allowing them the opportunity to market it, if they actually wanted to). They’re not just going to email Jay about their business plans and they’re not going to ask us for help or advice, as fun as that idea might be.
Right. We are not giving them directions or writing a contract. We are hoping to raise awareness and increase discussion, and despite low chances of success, hoping that we might get some kind of information. A comment that is less worthless/ambiguous than the recent Kennedy interview.
If, someday, they release a 2k OOT (first of all, I would still be thrilled), it won’t be because, "hah! You ****ers should’ve specified 4K! Gotcha!"
I know people still feel burned about GOUT, but that didn’t happen due to a misunderstanding.
Actually I like the yes or no line. I think the message should be pointed without being confrontational. Our goal is to get a straight answer, not some PR nonsense.
I agree. With this and certainly with “release” instead of “restore”. This should be as direct and unambiguous a question as possible. If I’m not mistaken, this push is at least partially inspired by (in addition to the anniversary), the absolutely terribly phrased question in some podcast, where the guy essentially gave Kennedy an ‘out’ built into the phrasing.
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Yeah, we don’t need to list the differences.
Yeah, I think it’s the wrong way to go. Listing or even giving a count. Mention a shitty one or two, if needed. I think the fans that care about recomposited shots and tweaked sound effects are pretty much confined to this forum. The fans that dislike seeing a closeup of a cartoon bug’s uvula or Hayden Christensen (in no particular order) are surely more numerous. Show something that was lost, like the desolate Mos Eisley pre-dinosaurs.
I would say over 900 instances of visual differences, plus how many ever audio differences. Didn’t we have a breakdown of how many frames were different at one point?
I think pointing out the insanity of 900 changes works for those of us who are already on board about the subject. I think TFN’ers and redditors (i.e., Lucas apologists) and such often point out the minor changes we discuss as reasons that we shouldn’t be taken seriously. If any time is to be spent discussing what has changed, it might have more impact to discuss the more glaring changes, where bits of the films were unambiguously lost in the process. Some of the 900 things, normal (uninformed) people might consider to be standard “remastering”.
I think the shortened version is much more effective. And the point is not only for someone at Disney to read it, but for hundreds or more other fans to read it and retweet, etc. There are tons of fans who comment on any OT related tweet I’ve seen, demanding the OOT or complaining about it not being available (and presumably only a few of them are from here). Hell, Harmy has tons of followers on his facebook that have nothing to do with this site. There’s an audience out there that might respond, and an essay is probably not the way to do that. Perhaps you could include a link to a fuller statement, but I still think it was probably too wordy as it was.
If this is a twitter thing, I think it’s just as important to try to find the right people to retweet it. Prominent people in fandom who don’t suck (or have Lucas apologist followers)? Celebrities? Geeky news sites? Edit: this part of the conversation probably shouldn’t be public.
I think SW 2.7 has the wrong version number. If not, then the wrong version number is actually SSE.
I redid the whole end credits from scratch, so hopefully I didn’t screw up that number. Possible, though.
Has anyone released an .iso file for this? Particularly in the same place we might look for other releases? I saw an .mkv file, but I’ve never converted one before. Before I attempt it, I wondered if anyone had already converted it as I’d like to have one burned to a disk. Thanks. Looking forward to checking this out sometime soon.
Just use tsmuxer to rebuild it into an ISO. It’s not re-encoded that way and there is no quality loss, so no one needs to go through the trouble of uploading another 20 Gb for that purpose. Worked smoothly for me with this release.
If you are unsure what version of despecialized you have you can always check the end credits. Harmy started to add version numbers at the end of the credits for just such an occasion.
IIRC, though, isn’t one of them incorrect? Maybe it was Jedi still saying 2.0?
Jedi 2.7 is the color corrected version of 2.5. Harry did the 2.5 but not the color correction.
I’m not sure if this is a joke post or mistake (autocorrect?), but I’ll correct it either way for the sake of the newcomer since he was already confused about this:
I adjusted the color of SW, not Jedi, in a version 2.7, based on Harmy’s 2.5 (there are some other updates besides the color). The latest Jedi release is 2.5, which was released by Harmy.
I have SW and ESB 1.0, and RotJ 2.7. I’m thinking about replacing SW and eSB with 2.7, what are the differences between them?
Well, SW 1.0 is extremely out of date. Just about everything has been improved dramatically since then. ESB 1.0 isn’t terrible, but 2.0 uses much higher quality sources. The encodings of all the 1.0s are also lower quality (low bitrate, a bit more pixelated).
As for Jedi 2.7, it doesn’t exist which is problematic for comparisons. But Jedi 2.5 is out, and ESB 2.5 will be someday in the hopefully-not-too-distant future.
My bad. Jedi 2.5, then. Is there anywhere I can see comparisons between them? All I know that’s different between ANH 1.0 and ANH 2.7 is that the Leia hologram is different.
The galleries aren’t as easily found and browsed as when Google used the Picasa image system, but you can find the comparisons here: https://plus.google.com/photos/109609428403596349302/albums/5932164278535972945
Has someone posted proof that rogue1 is a negative1 sock?
There is proof, though I don’t know that it’s posted. The mods have checked his IP, and confirmed that it’s negative1/TN1’s, and are just letting him go unbanned. I guess the anti-sock policies of the past have calmed down a bit. Or he’s just getting a pass because of his releases.
I have SW and ESB 1.0, and RotJ 2.7. I’m thinking about replacing SW and eSB with 2.7, what are the differences between them?
Well, SW 1.0 is extremely out of date. Just about everything has been improved dramatically since then. ESB 1.0 isn’t terrible, but 2.0 uses much higher quality sources. The encodings of all the 1.0s are also lower quality (low bitrate, a bit more pixelated).
As for Jedi 2.7, it doesn’t exist which is problematic for comparisons. But Jedi 2.5 is out, and ESB 2.5 will be someday in the hopefully-not-too-distant future.
I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money
If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.
My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.
It definitely varies by TV. Rtings.com has an SD category in their ratings, and some 4K TVs do a fine job, while others are pretty miserable. It also depends on the DVD player, of course. Something with composite output or a PS3 via HDMI? etc.
Even blu-ray can look terrible on the newer TVs if the settings are all cranked up to eleven.
A little over a year ago I was at a Best Buy where they were playing Captain America: The Winter Soldier on a 4k tv (it was an lg lcd iirc) with what must have been the out-of-the-box settings. It looked truly horrendous.
Oh, absolutely. I’ve got friends who are completely ignorant about audio/visual types of matters. And some of them will say that they “hate HD” because the picture looks terrible and unrealistic. I’ll ask them how they feel about the picture quality on their 1080p laptops and in movie theaters, and of course they think it’s great. But they’re familiar with HDTV meaning shitty interpolated motion, oversharpening, and the host of other features that people will turn on (or, often are turned on by default).
Tomorrow seems like a meaningless day to mark a release of a restoration. It’s not actually related to anything that is Star Wars related.
Anyone expecting any kind of announcement is just asking to be disappointed.
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Has the board got a working ignore feature now? Seems the mods are great at ignoring Negative1.
I laugh at people buying 4K TVs… your eyes are almost certainly not good enough to tell the difference in the vast majority of viewing scenarios. Total waste of money
If we were just talking about the absolute resolution, you are right. At my normal viewing distance I can’t tell the difference between 720 and 1080. I’m certainly not going to see much improvement from a 4k screen. But it isn’t just the resolution. The more pixels you have to display the image data, the better the image looks. The pixels start to disappear and be truly invisible. I’ve known this about printing for years, but when you apply it to video, it really helps the realism of the image, even if you are watching a 480 DVD. With the proper hardware, everything will look better on a 4k screen, even if you never get a UHD player or media.
My dad has a 43 inch 4K TV and DVDs look horrendous.
It definitely varies by TV. Rtings.com has an SD category in their ratings, and some 4K TVs do a fine job, while others are pretty miserable. It also depends on the DVD player, of course. Something with composite output or a PS3 via HDMI? etc.
Even if she wanted to, it’s hard when GL has the Only copies (if he didn’t destroy them) to himself. Hell Even Fox Owns the Rights to the ANH. I don’t ever see this coming out officially, but I would love to eat my words.
What makes you think George has the only copies, and not Fox or Disney?
No one, and it doesn’t make sense.
Furthermore, Fox does not own the rights to ANH. They own distribution rights. So they get some amount of money when it gets sold. That’s not to say it makes Fox a non-factor, but people love to misrepresent this detail.
No.
Later Gator.
I like these edits though if I can nitpick. I would have loved it if all the 90’s cgi that he’s keeping in these edits would have been updated to modern standards. Cgi has come a long since then that’s why with today’s cgi it would be awesome.
I think most people agree that it looks pretty dated. Updating it all to today’s Hollywood standards would be an extremely expensive endeavor (thousands or millions of dollars).
Most of the CGI in the battle of yavin, for example, can be replaced with models for a more realistic look.
Someone should have thought of doing that in the first place!
I like these edits though if I can nitpick. I would have loved it if all the 90’s cgi that he’s keeping in these edits would have been updated to modern standards. Cgi has come a long since then that’s why with today’s cgi it would be awesome.
I think most people agree that it looks pretty dated. Updating it all to today’s Hollywood standards would be an extremely expensive endeavor (thousands or millions of dollars).