metall_havy said:
it's not me it's Google. I do not know English.but I understand in part.
Ps: this is not addressed to you. I'm not a troll.
You probably think this song is about you.
metall_havy said:
Well, you and capricious.it is a transfer in 1980 .It is just as important as the theatrical version .This part of the story.
You did STAR WARS Despetsialized. Why. Lucas did the same with the normal picture. Your is VO the same. So went to Lucas. Better though.
Okay, who wants to guess?
Troll, poor English speaker, or someone who fried all his brain cells?
Rox64 said:
If I try VLC, then the video appears corrupted for 1-2 seconds and then it corrects itself, but at the end of the credits (when the original credits finishes and Harmy's custom credits fades in) the audio repeats the last seconds over and over.
I can't really address most of your other problems, because I didn't download the AVCHD. But VLC does this for every .m2ts I've ever opened with it, on any PC I've tried with. Even those straight from (decrypted) blu-rays that work flawlessly when run as a disc.
Harmy said:
Only the altered shots are from the 35mm and they are more copped because o stabilization.
As to the colors, they are still work in progress but I'm not sure the scan is 100% correct either - it probably isn't corrected yet.
Figured it was a stabilization thing. But it does look great.
Are all of your 35mm shots going to be whole frame for 2.0 (i.e., you're saved from a lot of rotoscoping this time around)?
Harmy said:
Here's a new video celebrating 2000 likes on the FB page:
Looks fantastic.
Are the interior shots pulled from the blu-ray, or can all that detail be pulled out of the dark 35mm shots?
I agree that the bright 3PO is a nice look. But, as ever, I have no idea what is "correct".
I noticed that some of the Sarlac shots are more cropped in the WiP-2.0 than the others. Is there a technical reason for that or just part of the work in progress nature of it?
Extremely excited for this release. Thanks Harmy and tn1.
Neomic said:
towne32 said:
darklordoftech said:
timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
moviefreakedmind said:
darklordoftech said:
If this article is anything to go by:
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html
What?
If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.
There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.
The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.
Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions.
The difference between Star Wars and Blade Runner is that there are three movies with the former. The Blade Runner set was originally pretty expensive, especially when you consider some of the special editions that were also released.
Now try that with three movies that have 3-5 versions of each. The seemless branching would be extremely complicated and result in horrible compression on Blu-ray or 4K. It would be a compression artifacts nightmare, because instead of there just being additional scenes or alternate footage, the entire movies are different from the way each were were color timed and mastered. So you would literally need 3-5 streams of the same 2 hour movie on each of the discs. Plus all of the audio tracks everyone wants?
Blade Runner had 5 cuts on three discs, and they were able to narrow it down because three of the cuts were derived from the same masters, making the branching on those versions much easier because instead of having simultaneous streams of the same movie, they just had the video portions that were necessary for each cut. Star Wars is different because every one of the new cuts of the movie are totally different masters with different colors, as I mentioned before.
So you would have, at most, two cuts of the same movie per disc, and even that would be pushing it for the compression of an action-packed two-hour flick. That means each cut of the movie would be on it's own disc, more than likely. That would result in like a 15-disc set for three movies.
Not happening. Ever.
The most you're gonna get is the OUT and whatever the new edition is, whether it's a recomp of the 2011 edition or a new 2015 edition.
I didn't want to get into proposing how it might be done in that post, as it seems to fall firmly into fantasy, given that the set might not ever exist. And I do agree that they would be unlikely to bother with '97 and '04.
But what I would imagine would be two discs for each OT movie. An UOT disc, where hopefully every effort would be made to have the color timing et al. appropriate for that release.
The second disc would be the SE. I don't know what color timing they would choose for that. But it's a decision they're likely making anyway if they're doing a 4K remaster. Seamless branching would allow for the (relatively) few changes between 2004 and 2011 (or 2015, god forbid), as 04 and 11 are from the same transfer, as far as I know. 1997 would of course be trickier. And out of the question if they wanted to represent its color timing accurately.
With all that said, what they do with the SE is pretty damn unimportant. :)
skyjedi2005 said:
I don't care about 4K really as a format.
If it was scanned in 4k and then put on a standard blu ray i would not mind.
It would be nice to not have to watch the official blu ray or see a bad postage size stamp version of the oot from 1993 letterboxed.
The blu ray set made tons of money and the boycott did not work. The possibility of the real original versions ever being released is doubtful.
Or 54 pages of no news and the same thing being said.
Why do i even bother.
I think we won't know if it's doubtful until after VII releases and they've still shown no interest. The biggest hurdle, the will of an irrational old man, has been overcome. We will see if the other, potentially lesser hurdles such as profit margins and the status of the film elements can be overcome.
But if they are, they'll probably release it at what they consider to be strategic timing in relation to the new film(s) and their marketing.
Alternatively, they may be waiting until we get to page 62 of this thread.
The decision won't, and has never, had anything to do with a boycott. Especially one that didn't happen.
Danfun128 said:
CatBus said:
Leonardo said:
TV's Frink said:
Nocturnaloner said:
On the blu-ray.com forum, someone posted that the UOT will be released on blu-ray on 9/21/15. Seems legit, right?
I have some legit property I'd like to sell you.
is it the Brooklyn Bridge? I bought that already from a rabbit years ago.
It should also be mentioned that the person on the Blu-ray forum didn't actually say anything at all about a UOT Blu-ray release. Just another OT Blu-ray re-release
If it's a new 4k release, even if it isn't the UOT, it would still be an excellent release. At least we would get a decent official transfer the likes of which haven't been seen since the 97se. I haven't heard anybody defend the 2004 restoration.
Although I would only care about .2% as much as an UOT release, a better transfer and color grading would surely be useful for projects like Harmy's.
No offense taken. Like I said, it's a different goal in mind. Not attempting to make the best version of the film. I grew up with the Lester version, and that will always be Superman II, to me. No edit is going to replace that version for me.
Simply trying to make what I think (given the cuts and decisions that they made for the 2006) would have made a more professional looking disc. Ironically, I want it to look less like a low budget fanedit than the 2006 version does.
I also have no misconceptions about this becoming anyone's favorite, or even anyone wanting to see it. This isn't even going to be *my* favorite edit by a long shot. However, if anyone notices any glaring problems in the clip(s) that I've blinded myself from seeing, I'd appreciate the insight!
Yes, Superman II has probably nearly as many fan edits as Phantom Menace, and it’s unlikely that people are interested in downloading yet another one.
My goal here was to make an edit on the extremely conservative side. I really had no intention of producing a ‘best version’ using the two sources. Others have done a great job with that. Instead,
I simply wanted to make a version of the 2006 film that is watchable in terms of effects. Really, to un-botch some of the most glaring problems that make me cringe when I watch the BluRay. Things that should have honestly never been included in a final product that people paid money for. For that matter, whenever I’d see Superman II on TV between 2006 and 2010, it was the Donner cut (without warning), including its CGI that makes SciFi originals look like academy award winners. The effects shots that are most obviously from 2006 are gone, while keeping the scenes/takes from the Donner Cut whenever possible (almost).
Changes:
Used WB logo from Superman I, altered Reeve tribute.
Replaced the worst Phantom Zone shot. The planets of our solar system are no longer hanging out together, having a party. I surprised myself in keeping the early ‘new’ phantom zone FX. They’re not as bad, and there’s not a ton of material to replace with (I reused/rejigged a shot for the replacement I did).
Removed bad rocket effect.
Used elevator explosion. Had to paint the elevator itself out, and I ended up replacing it with the rocket model shot from the behind the scenes video on the BluRay. Despite it being an SD source, it turned out nicely (better than my attempt to use a Superman IV rocket).
The following release and approach to the moon are from Lester. Sadly, we no longer can see Saturn taking up most of our night sky.
Replaced the awful S logo and “Superman II” with the Lester Cut versions.
Used the bullet scene rather than pink bear. In the commentary, Donner really despised the pink bear scene. So I’ve included everything I could. It’s basically every shot/line that doesn’t show Chris with long hair and normal glasses. I’ve managed to include a bit more of the scene than most edits I’ve seen. Works fairly seamlessly.
The kiss. This is the only case where I decided to make a call on content. Listening to the commentary (or making of?), they clearly contemplated using the kiss in 2006, but decided to go with the plan from before Superman I was completed. If Donner had stayed on board, he would have had to come up with something. He says they hadn’t decided what they would use. But there are other examples of the 2006 version where Donner “had” to use Lester’s footage due to the circumstances. This should have been one of those. Now it can be watched following Superman I.
(I don’t see the missing pizza scene as a loss. Especially the cut down version where Lois has her memory and it is literally only a scene about pizza).
White house scene. Donner said that if they had included the kiss, he would have included this too. Fountains don’t move. I’m not sure what black magic was used to fix them in other edits, but I don’t have an HD source.
Back to Donner version for the credits.
I considered doing something about the stand-ins/voiceover, but in he end I decided it wasn’t as big of a deal. Maybe I’ll remove the fake Christopher Reeve voice. The worst stand-in is removed, as the turn-back-time scene gone.
I think it’s unlikely that anyone will be interested in it. But let me know if you are. I’ve posted a clip of the first ~9 minutes, as there were a number of changes there. I can upload the bullet scene as well if anyone cares. And if you’d like the whole thing, I’d appreciate feedback. Changes are minimal, but there’s always a chance for stray errors.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2gpj3s_superman-ii-1
edit: Especially if you have thoughts on the rocket explosion rework, would be appreciated.
Congrats, Harmy!
Hal 9000 said:
And I think the awkward cut you mentioned was to trim Anakin's dialogue: "You'll never reach the outskirts in time! Sandstorms are very, [very] dangerous. [Come on!] I'll take you to my place." I see how that'd be a little jarring. Oh, well.
Ah, I see. The sound came across very nicely. It was really just the characters jumping around between two frames that did it. But mostly because that woman in he red hat is directly in front of Anakin while he's speaking. Oh well. :)
I've just watched this, and I must say it was very well done. I think it meets its goal of "avoiding making changes that would betray to the audience that they're watching a fan edit." by being honest about the overall flaws of TPM and the PT. It can be fun to re-dub or sub Jarjar and to pretend he was written as a hero, but it requires quite a lot of imagination while watching to pretend the effect works. There's still a bit of JarJar remaining, which probably took a bit of restraint.
Instead, this edit felt more like selective memory, if thinking back on the (relatively) better working parts of the film. Many of the most cringeworthy moments are gone with no deleterious effects. As someone with a not-quite-vivid memory of the movie, most of the actual missing lines went unnoticed. I did, of course, recognize the lack of the underwater scene, and the scene on the stairs. Patching up Anakin's Naboo fighter battle, essentially a required edit, was done seamlessly.
On the technical side, almost everything was very smooth. Wipes and audio transitions seemed clean. I didn't have any real problem with the SD deleted scenes (inclusion of deleted scenes is nice here, but will be essential in II and III). I do prefer the podrace without extra music, so thanks for the option. There were a few audio cuts that stood out strongly. But this seemed much less obvious when I tweaked my stereo/surround settings. Visually, the only cut that I thought fell through was at 25:14. I forget what line is cut, but I feel it might not be so important that the visual discontinuity and teleporting R2 and person in red hat are required. Anyway, it's only one thing, and quite minor. Certainly doesn't change the fact that this is now my favorite edit of this film.
TServo2049 said:
My understanding was that George at least wanted the Mos Eisley speeder scene fixed from the beginning of the project? So even when it was just a restoration, that shot would have been altered? Not trying to get off track from the topic, eventually we will get back to lightsabers...
It would have been a really nice, cleaned up shot without the dinosaur.
Hal 9000 said:
Is there a way to test your existing disc with a different player? I wonder if, like with DVDs, some BR players can't handle the full bitrate spectrum the format supports.
That would be one explanation. Though it wouldn't explain why my disc worked on the PS3, and not the PS4. Should certainly be powerful enough.
Smithers said:
towne32 said:
jedimasterobiwan said:
hey do there need to be more seeders because it seems to be downloading pretty slow.also the reason i asked about that for episode 2 was because i was trying figure out when exactly the 1080p ep 3 edit was coming out. can more seeders be added so i can get it to download at a more normal speed.
There is one seeder, because only one person has it, and he is kindly uploading it for the rest of us.
When you are done downloading it, *YOU* will be a seeder. So will the rest of us! But here's the thing. Once we're done downloading it, some of us will *continue* seeding it. We will be seeders! That's where the name comes from.
But here's the trick: Do you see what you did with your other downloads? You downloaded them, and then stopped seeding them. So other people cannot download them from you. You are, distinctly *not* a seeder.
I got lost at seeder, can you just sum up why there is only one seeder? lol jkjk ;P
Well, we may not have learned that today. But at least we learned why he asked about episode 2. Now, if you could just explain it to me so I can make sure you understand it... :)
jedimasterobiwan said:
hey do there need to be more seeders because it seems to be downloading pretty slow.also the reason i asked about that for episode 2 was because i was trying figure out when exactly the 1080p ep 3 edit was coming out. can more seeders be added so i can get it to download at a more normal speed.
There is one seeder, because only one person has it, and he is kindly uploading it for the rest of us.
When you are done downloading it, *YOU* will be a seeder. So will the rest of us, when we're done! But here's the thing. Once we're done downloading it, some of us will *continue* seeding it. We will be seeders! That's where the name comes from.
Here's the trick: Do you see what you did with your other downloads? You downloaded them, and then stopped seeding them. So other people cannot download them from you. You are, distinctly *not* a seeder.
Feallan said:
I doubt it. The project is available on Blu-Torrents, no Terminator on Myspleen.
Btw if someone has an invite, I'd love one too. :D
I'd like to jump on the bandwagon too, please (at the end of the queue).
edit: nevermind and thanks.
jedimasterobiwan said:
hal9000 so how far a long is the episode 3 edit?
Probably an unfathomably long way to go. Best to keep off any and all filesharing sites until told otherwise so that we don't stress ourselves out waiting.
edit: fixed problems on PowerDVD, will try to burn the iso now.
Alright, here are my findings:
Inserting SEI/VUI data results in video skipping in everything. PowerDVD, Totalmedia, PS3, PS4.
Disabling this allows it to play in PowerDVD, Totalmedia, and the PS3. PS4 still has scrambled video with green flickering. So something is still very wrong.
Hope this helps in some way.
SilverWook said:
Leaks don't come from magical flying elves. They should check their own people before going after someone who posts an image on the interwebs. Once it's out there, it's not going away, no matter how much they want it to.
I imagine that's exactly what they might be hoping for here. Getting the IP address and name of the original uploader might (if they're fairly lucky) show them an internal leaker.
They don't have that option when it comes to leak sources like Tmz, who essentially specialize in nothing but getting/protecting sources, and leaking things. But if they believe an imageshack upload is the original source of a leak, and imageshack will cave and give them an IP that could belong to one of their employees, I can see why they'd go for it.
Meanwhile, Sexy Darth Vader crowdsourcing remains uninterrupted. :/
StarThoughts said:
towne32 said:
Probably the 2004 special edition. I don't think we have an HD broadcast of 97.
You may be right about the source for DE 1.0, but I thought that there has been an HD broadcast of the '97 SE, which Team Blu is using as the basis for their '97 SE trilogy project.
They're DVB digital TV recordings, but not HD.
There are the TB (Scandanavian) and G'KAR (german) releases. And a couple others, I think. But this is getting off topic, because I'm pretty sure he used the 2004-SE HDTV copies.
edit: oops, too slow.
StarThoughts said:
Versions 2.1 and above are color-timed to a low-fade Technicolor IB print, and the colors are therefore accurate to the 1977 theatrical release.
I believe that the body of 1.0 was from an HD broadcast of the '97 Special Editions.
Probably the 2004 special edition. I don't think we have an HD broadcast of 97.
I forget, did the switch to blu-ray rather than HDTV as the main source occur for 2.0 or 2.1?
Nocturnaloner said:
At the very least, Abrams has the ability to tell a good line reading
Faster, more intense.
Nocturnaloner said:
from a bad one
Slower, less intense.
BobbyDigital said:
I'm not sure if anyone else brought this up, but the movie doesn't end on a black frame; it ends on the credits and they don't fade out completely. At least this is how it is on the DVD5 version, not sure about the 720p. So I just wanted to bring that up so that in the next release it doesn't just pause on the almost-faded out credits. Also I noticed that it's on a loop. So when it ends, it starts playing again. The DVD5 of Star Wars and Empire just stop after they're done.
Yeah, there's something a little wonky about the credits and extra time at the end. I think it has been discussed before (probably several times).
It's not really an issue, since it's just the Harmy et al. credit addendum. The feature credits play through properly. I'm sure all of this was re-worked in the new version anyway, so little risk of accidental carryover.