Amazing that so much color was pulled out of those.
Also: how does the SEN + Kids scene look? Some of those shots are not represented in any other source of the movie.
EW says they're going to have more articles tomorrow. Apparently about Han Solo, this time.
Stinky-Dinkins said:
iamsometal said:
beyourowndensity said:
towne32 said:
iamsometal said:
After purchasing the retail versions of the films:
Download the .iso files from wherever you can find them. You'll need to burn them to Verbatim DVD+R DL discs. There's a helpful video on youtube that will walk you through the process. Just search "How to get Original Unaltered Star Wars Trilogy on Blu-ray." Ignore the blu-ray in the title, this video will explain how to burn to DVD+R DL discs.
I'm not super familiar with the DVDs, so density can ignore me if I'm wrong, but isn't the DVD-DL an AVCHD? And wouldn't that be of no use to him without a blu-ray player?
I thought the only native DVD versions were DVD5s, but I could certainly be wrong. Anyway, the main point of this is good. Density, you can google to find torrents of the DVD versions of despecialized. And google how to use torrents if you're not familiar. Once downloaded, use imgburn to burn it to a blank DVD (the above discussion was whether or not you need a single or double layer DVD - I'm not sure). You might find a ".iso" file as described above, or it might be a folder full of files. I've only seen the latter for the DVD5 Harmy releases. Either way, imgburn can do it and google has anything that we might be leaving out of these posts.
Wait, what is meant by "after purchasing the retail versions of the films"? I already have the Special Editions, are the retail movies required for me to download the Despecialised versions? And are there certain types of discs I can use to make the DVDs higher quality without making them unusable on a DVD player? (to add further confusion to the "which disc" argument)
I'm a girl, by the way. Just putting that out there. XD
Yeah, the purchasing retail versions first is just our honor system. The only available retail versions are the special editions, so if you own those, you're all set.
And you will need a blu-ray disc player that is AVCHD compatible to play the discs. A PS3 will play AVCHD on both on disc or from a thumbdrive, for example.
The specific disc you'll need is Verbatim's DVD+DL, since it is the highest capacity blank burnable DVD media available, the Despecialized Trilogy discs are formatted to fit on those discs.
If you own a Playstation 3, you can watch a higher quality version by downloading the MKV 17gb files and following the formatting instructions on page 1 of this thread, convert that file to an AVCHD and just transfer it to a thumbdrive. The PS3 will then stream it directly from the thumbdrive. It's a near-blu-ray experience, with fantastic 720p video and DTS-HD MA lossless audio track.
I think she's looking for the DVD5 version for playback on a DVD player, not the AVCHD version (which requires a BD player). No need for DL discs with a DVD5 version.
Right. I think our metal friend missed the note about no Blu-ray player (and therefore no PS3 we can assume, though that is solid advice for PS3 owners).
Density: Dinkin's link to DVD+Rs on amazon should be the way to go assuming you do have a burner.
beyourowndensity said:
towne32 said:
iamsometal said:
After purchasing the retail versions of the films:
Download the .iso files from wherever you can find them. You'll need to burn them to Verbatim DVD+R DL discs. There's a helpful video on youtube that will walk you through the process. Just search "How to get Original Unaltered Star Wars Trilogy on Blu-ray." Ignore the blu-ray in the title, this video will explain how to burn to DVD+R DL discs.
I'm not super familiar with the DVDs, so density can ignore me if I'm wrong, but isn't the DVD-DL an AVCHD? And wouldn't that be of no use to him without a blu-ray player?
I thought the only native DVD versions were DVD5s, but I could certainly be wrong. Anyway, the main point of this is good. Density, you can google to find torrents of the DVD versions of despecialized. And google how to use torrents if you're not familiar. Once downloaded, use imgburn to burn it to a blank DVD (the above discussion was whether or not you need a single or double layer DVD - I'm not sure). You might find a ".iso" file as described above, or it might be a folder full of files. I've only seen the latter for the DVD5 Harmy releases. Either way, imgburn can do it and google has anything that we might be leaving out of these posts.
Wait, what is meant by "after purchasing the retail versions of the films"? I already have the Special Editions, are the retail movies required for me to download the Despecialised versions? And are there certain types of discs I can use to make the DVDs higher quality without making them unusable on a DVD player? (to add further confusion to the "which disc" argument)
I'm a girl, by the way. Just putting that out there. XD
Sorry, I think I overlooked the fact that you had the Special Editions. We just like to make sure that new members understand that purchasing official versions is important. They are not needed in a technical manner in any way for this.
As far as types of discs, it all depends. Dr. Dinkins is right that a blu-ray player is ideal, but oh well. Does your computer happen to have an HDMI out port? If so, that's a very easy way to watch a high quality version on a TV and avoid discs. DVDs will obviously be standard definition. Quality of media actually matters a lot, especially for crappier lasers. Verbatim discs are the ideal way to go for DVD-R. I prefer DVD-R over +R, but either should work. Unless someone corrects my previous post, you actually want single layer discs if you don't have a blu-ray player.
Obviously, make sure you have a DVD burner and not just a read-only drive.
iamsometal said:
After purchasing the retail versions of the films:
Download the .iso files from wherever you can find them. You'll need to burn them to Verbatim DVD+R DL discs. There's a helpful video on youtube that will walk you through the process. Just search "How to get Original Unaltered Star Wars Trilogy on Blu-ray." Ignore the blu-ray in the title, this video will explain how to burn to DVD+R DL discs.
I'm not super familiar with the DVDs, so density can ignore me if I'm wrong, but isn't the DVD-DL an AVCHD? And wouldn't that be of no use to him without a blu-ray player?
I thought the only native DVD versions were DVD5s, but I could certainly be wrong. Anyway, the main point of this is good. Density, you can google to find torrents of the DVD versions of despecialized. And google how to use torrents if you're not familiar. Once downloaded, use imgburn to burn it to a blank DVD (the above discussion was whether or not you need a single or double layer DVD - I'm not sure). You might find a ".iso" file as described above, or it might be a folder full of files. I've only seen the latter for the DVD5 Harmy releases. Either way, imgburn can do it and google has anything that we might be leaving out of these posts.
TV's Frink said:
George Michael had faith and look where he ended up.
Thinking twice and subsequently needing some time off.
beyourowndensity said:
Wazzles said:
Leonardo said:
Hello and welcome! You're in the right place. Nice username.
I've heard of some people pirating these, but I really don't want to steal something that has had so much time and love put into it. So...what do I do?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. You mean you want to watch the Despecialized but you don't wanna "pirate" it?
I'm pretty sure he means just getting these in the most legal way possible. Harmy's recommendation is to purchase the Blu Rays (and maybe the official DVDs, but I'm not sure). That way you own the bulk of the sources that he used that are available. After that, you can torrent these. If you Google well enough, you can find the torrents very easily.
This is what I meant, but I heard that since that this was classified as a fan-edit, putting it up for sale in exchange for money was illegal. And I watched a video on YouTube explaining how to do this (via MySpleen.org, but the explanation doesn't seem feasible anymore) - and the guy said that pirating it would also be illegal. Honestly, I've never done this sort of thing before, so I don't really have a freaking clue what I'm doing.
Oh, and is there a version available for DVD if I were to burn it to a disc? Unfortunately we don't own a Blu-Ray player and I haven't been able to convince my family to get one thus far.
"You must do what you feel is right."
Harmy wants people to own the Blurays because he wants to make sure his work isn't causing a loss of sales for Lucasfilm. If you don't even own a blu-ray player, I personally would see no moral problem with you buying the DVDs instead. Especially if you end up burning the film to DVD. In fact, I believe fanedit.org's policy (not Harmy, but similar standards) is that you own at least the resolution of the fanedit. So, do what you feel is right, and if it's not exactly what others do, but some variation, just keep it to yourself. No one goes around quizzing people on their official discs here. But there are some people who go as far as proudly brag about how they never have or never will buy anything official, but love this or that fanedit. We tend to grab our pitchforks and relentlessly chew them out.
There is no perfectly legal way of doing this. But there are indeed DVD versions on torrent sites that you can burn to a standard DVD-R.
Anchorhead said:
I'm assuming it's an ID sort of change. Several of the First Order troopers and ships have an asymmetrical red accent somewhere. If he were being used by the First Order, it would make sense that he was branded in a similar fashion as the other equipment. He's just a walking computer.
Yeah. Perhaps it will be a big deal if/when he gets returned and un-branded. Maybe he's undercover.
Cobra Kai said:
I'm going to try to stay away from the trailer. I've been trying to avoid spoilers but i already know much more than I'd like.
And I dont understand the people who have been trying to learn as much as they can about the story. I've found that it's always best to go into a movie knowing as little as possible so you can just simply let the story unfold on its own.
It's going to be hard enough to watch this movie without being constantly distracted that I'm watching a "star wars" movie and scrutinizing every little detail about it....
I agree about the story. It always bums me out to accidentally come across a major spoiler that was supposedly leaked from people involved in the filming. Some of them are probably real.
But I've watched/read everything officially released, and am happy to (over)analyze with everyone else and read the theories and conjecture that all comes about. They're letting out a pretty controlled, small stream of information and there's not long to go. So far it works for me. I'll certainly watch the trailer, but might become much more careful about what I read and the sites I visit in the final months.
edit: Who knows how I'll actually feel later on, but I think I might keep myself much more in the dark for VIII and IX. The excitement for VII is largely due to the desire to see this universe alive again, how it's being handled, if it works, what the new and old characters are like, etc. But VIII will be a proper sequel to a storyline that I'll hopefully be invested in. I don't generally watch trailers for the next episode of a TV series, and I might not follow the production of VIII so closely.
Tobar said:
I think they went overboard with Threepio's arm. If it had just been his hand or a finger or a shoulder or something it would have been an interesting new quirk.
But the entire arm is a big distraction. If it was a smaller part it would make sense that they never got around to replacing the temporary spare but that arm just screams replace me.
While this isn't something I really have strong opinions on, it seems to depend on the lighting and grading. Promotional shots look very red, while the behind the scenes doc, from what I recall, stood out less as it was fairly dark.
Anyway, we've yet to see what they even have to say about the arm in the film. If it's just scrap or means something more, etc. Or maybe the point is that it's supposed to scream 'replace me', and they haven't.
Leonardo said:
As for you last question, short answer, you can watch it on your computer. It won't work on a regular dvd player, wrong format.
There are DVD5 versions of all three films as well.
I think what he's trying to say is that just because the print is in great shape does not mean the scan is representative of it. Hence the Harmy/Mike issue I mentioned, and the work that some of our 35mm experts here do post-scan, matching the scan to the print.
I see you caught it before I switched my wording to hopefully be less insulting. :P
Anyway, it would be interesting to watch the whole film like this, especially on a projector. It's jarring to me at first, especially in comparisons. But I find that I adjust to a film's color/contrast rather quickly.
DrDre said:
No that's not Harmy's color correction. Here's Harmy versus the corrected Harmy (when I say corrected I mean to the reference frame):
Thanks. Shows that I really can't gauge these things or remember how a source looked without direct comparison. His is perhaps in the same direction, but extremely restrained compared to the print.
Interesting experimentation, as always. But this again goes to show you that color correcting the film based on one frame is impossible. While that Tantive shot looks *okay* (though not preferred by some of us), some of those others look downright bad. Though, it really does have that look of an old projected print.
You haven't made any claims to them looking good, so I hope that doesn't offend you. :) On that note, and as a general thing worth discussing *before* diving head over heels into color correction, how calibrated is your setup?
Sorry if I misunderstood. Is that just Harmy's color correction or have you done more on top of that?
It looks like his (namely, the green). As I think I said before, your recent corrections do look like Harmy's 2.5 a bit. But as Harmy has said, he did his corrections based on the misunderstanding that low res 35mm frames he (I believe) from Mike Verta were color matched to the print or color corrected when they were indeed (mostly?) raw scans. And I believe (again, I'm pretty sure but would hate to put words in his mouth) he said that if he knew that last time he would not have colored it the way he did. And indeed that if he revisits it that is something he will change.
ilovewaterslides said:
FrankT said:
I take it Legacy is on schedule for its September release/showing?
He's not releasing it or showing it either.
You're half right. The project was always intended to be shown.
iamsometal said:
Comments were blocked at work so I wasn't even tempted. That bad, huh?
Oh, just an armchair lawyer yelling that the writer of that article should (and can legally) be jailed for inciting a crime.
generalfrevious said:
FrankT said:
He's got a point there.
And yet everyone except the people on this particular website has accepted the SE as the ONLY version that will ever exist from now on.
edit: nevermind, I can't read.
Wazzles said:
This is also assuming Legacy becomes an official version, which I really, really hope it does.
Probably wishful thinking, but fingers are crossed anyway!
Fox's remaining grip is specific to home video releases, right? They could, in theory, make some money off the OOT in a theatrical run in the meantime?
Also, since they love milking fans with double/triple/quad/etc dipping, assuming they *do* ever bother with OOT, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we saw individual staggered releases of ESB and RotJ as the negatives should be in better shape and distribution rights are guaranteed to shift to Disney.
iamsometal said:
digitalfreaknyc said:
And every time there's a new release...there's a new article about Harmy...
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-wars-original-trilogy-blu-ray-coming-its-your-duty-pirate-them-instead-464423These kinds of articles really piss me off. Crap like this that encourages piracy outright is really damaging to the public image of people like Harmy who make no money from their incredible efforts and stress their policy of all downloaders buying the officially licensed material before downloading fan-edits and preservations.
Thanks. Burned a few brain cells on the comment section there.
CatBus said:
towne32 said:
I suppose I could go look at that thread again and not be lazy. But isn't the strong evidence just people who claimed to have seen it with no proof? (people who previously claimed it was the April 2015 digital release, until that came out and then "corrected" themselves)
No, it's based on a pretty fleeting but nevertheless concrete preview clip from Reliance Media. Whether the 4K scan will ever amount to anything, be released as a consumer product, etc, is still an open question, but somebody's doing something, and that something oddly doesn't exactly match any previous release, at least in the preview clip (it would have been helpful if they included the Han/Jabba scene or something that helped nail down the clip's pedigree, but the clips are from scenes that weren't changed much, so it took our neighborhood lightsaber-glow-specialists and whatnot to sort out what it was).
Ah, okay. I hadn't seen, or don't remember, the lightsaber discussion. Obviously the color timing of it is yet another interpretation (and hopefully what we saw was a work in progress).
Assuming they plan on doing an actual release of the new scan and it really is the 1997 print, they presumably are going to either 'roll' the film(s) forward or backward to 2011+ or 1977/1981. It wouldn't really make sense to release specifically the 1997 version. Fans of the 2011, ironically, might be confused or find it inferior. Obviously, fans of the OOT won't care aside from chopping it to bits for preservations.
I suppose the most likely explanation is that the 2004-2011 changes were made in 1080p only. Do we know if that's the case? These parts would need to be redone or upscaled or something.
Still, if there is any truth at all to the 1977 negatives being problematic and degraded, would it be reasonable for them to have used the 1997 negatives for the bulk of the film and 'despecialized' from there?
CatBus said:
generalfrevious said:
The only version that will exist are the 2011 versions
I'm surprised to be saying this to you, but you are not being nearly pessimistic enough. The 4K thread contains some pretty strong evidence that we'll see yet another variation of the Special Editions, based on a 4K 97SE scan, but with changes piled on top of that. The hydra still has a few heads left.
I suppose I could go look at that thread again and not be lazy. But isn't the strong evidence just people who claimed to have seen it with no proof? (people who previously claimed it was the April 2015 digital release, until that came out and then "corrected" themselves)
Yikes. It's indeed an interesting task, but my question about the correctness of the frame is still in place even with another capture having been located.
The difference is indeed striking, but I can't say I like the look of this at all. Just a personal preference, of course. Perhaps when Mike Verta is done color correcting his IB print he will be willing to share low res images from a wide variety of shots? I don't know.
I might be in the minority here, but I like the general color scheme of the GOUT. I think it rather looks best with only brightness, contrast, and saturation tweaks (on a scene and/or shot basis as required). And in fact, the preservation of the GOUT color, along with the 'purity' of using GOUT alone, is what has had me so interested in this upscaling project. Obviously, you haven't said that you are going to release a color corrected version, and you're sharing some interesting experiments.
Nonetheless, you've done a great job color matching the source you were using. I think, as you'll notice from your Jawa/Droid sale shot, that it will surely not be possible to simply apply settings across the film. As always with SW, it's either shot by shot or nothing.
Harmy's is actually a 35mm Death Star with GOUT x-wings, I believe. Which would explain the difference in quality compared to Mike's work.