timdiggerm

SpenceEdit said:

Daiyus said:

SpenceEdit said:

Daiyus said:

I’m really interested to see your takes on these films as I really enjoyed your work on Kenobi. I’ve found the prequels the hardest to find edits of that I’d be happy to put into into my definitive collection, but your AotC sounds like it could be just what I’m looking for.

Out of interest, what’s your stance on multimedia, or inserting Clone Wars/Tales of the Jedi scenes? I know many find it jarring, but I feel some of Dooku’s scenes from TotJ could really add to the tone of TPM.

I’m a big fan of the animated series. But I don’t intend to integrate them into the movies. They’re always separate things to me.

That’s fair enough. I’ve seen a few edits that integrate, and a few that don’t, and to be honest, both can work really well. I’m undecided as to how I’d like my definitive collection to look, particularly surrounding Dooku’s TotJ arc as it works well stand alone or integrated. I look forward to viewing your edits; it might give me some much needed clarity on this topic.

It’s tempting to use some Dooku footage from Totj in conjunction with that deleted scene from AOTC, but I think the merging of the two mediums will just feel too fanedit-y.

Correct.

It’s got to be the “Small Details” thread; this ought to be merged there if that’s possible.

MonkeyLizard10 said:

So maybe this is how it looked and then again maybe not.

This is a great summary of a lot of threads around here lol

Superweapon VII said:

Yeah, “sterile” sums up Villeneuve’s style quite well. “Dreary” works also.

I never understood all the praise Arrival got. I’m guessing 99% of the people who got their rocks off to the film were floored by the plot twist. Well, I went into the movie knowing the twist beforehand and got nothing out of the experience expect cold colour grading and a protagonist with all the charm and personality of a dead salmon sitting in a cooler (and I normally love Amy Adams).

His style was a perfect fit for Blade Runner 2049, though.

Oh, no, I found it beautiful and moving before the plot twist. The plot twist, honestly, felt way too implausible to me. But I loved the movie, especially before that

There are times when it’s wisest, I think, to just not reply. Don’t cast your pearls and all that

The trailer for Part 2 has been released

Channel72 said:

Regardless, I’ve met people in their late 20s that genuinely were surprised to learn that there was ever widespread dislike towards the Prequels on the Internet. There’s obviously a generational aspect to this, and I can understand why younger people might be skeptical about this, since it’s so different than the prevailing attitude today.

I’m 36 and I thought the positivity towards the prequels was mostly sarcastic/ironic. How could it be anything else?

Forceboat said:

I found it very interesting that Cantwell’s concept model for the Millennium Falcon eventually got turned into the Corellian Corvette. Uncle George must have liked that one a lot.

That design was the Millennium Falcon for most of the time making the movie; the switch only happened late when it was decided that it resembled the ships in Space 1999 too much. That’s why the Tantive IV model is so big and detailed despite barely being in the film: Until they swapped out the cockpit (which radically changed the intended scale of the model), it was intended to be the Millennium Falcon and would have been in a lot of closeup shots.

Read https://kitbashed.com/blog/a-complete-history-of-the-millennium-falcon for more details

If anyone wants to take a look inside the Sourcebook, you can borrow it for an hour from the Internet Archive https://archive.org/details/starwarssourcebo0000smit/mode/2up

Marooned Biker Scout said:

I hope someday we’ll see some talented editors or fans put together a short video based on those scenes lost or cut for Black Friday, and other scenes for Jedi: either animated or model based. It’d be cool to see.

This is, unsurprisingly, my dream. I mean, we have the storyboards for the effects shots, so recreating them in CG is more or less possible. It would not be easy, in as much as it’s work, and then there’s the problems of missing/low-quality cockpit pilot shots, but a rough mockup ought to be doable. We’ll see what happens.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

timdiggerm said:

Well, it took me a little more than two months, but this thread directly lead to my storyboard-based reconstruction: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Reconstructing-the-end-of-ROTJ-with-Storyboards/id/92274

Both this thread and yours are truly fascinating to me. Thank you. I’m going to go read my old Storyboards book for the Original Trilogy right now.

Do you think we’ll find more about on “Black Friday” and the missing Storyboards? I hope we’ll see some interviews, articles and documentaries on this for the 40th anniversary of Return Of The Jedi, as has been done on the official website for Star Wars and Empire for their 40th anniversaries.

I have found more storyboards that aren’t on the site yet, just haven’t had the time to update it. It really does seem like it was a combination of

• The early versions of shots weren’t good enough (in Lucas’s judgment, and we ought to trust him on that)
• The movie had to be done by a certain date
• Everyone was entirely overworked and burning out just trying to get something done before the deadline
• Thus, some things had to be cut

and hey, maybe it really was too long too

RogueLeader said:

timdiggerm said:

RogueLeader said:

You can imagine how cool it must’ve been for audiences to have each character slowly be revealed to them after not seeing them for 3 years.

https://i.gifer.com/Aksq.gif

Lol, literally slowly

ROTJ has many problems, but that has to be a contender for worst shot in the film.

RogueLeader said:

You can imagine how cool it must’ve been for audiences to have each character slowly be revealed to them after not seeing them for 3 years.

https://i.gifer.com/Aksq.gif

Twelfth Night - 1996

The wife and I attempted this one, because she remembered it being good. The source material is good, as is the cast…but we gave up after a half an hour. It was neither funny nor engaging, and suffered from so many bad-Shakespeare-adaptation tropes.

StarkillerAG said:

Channel72 said:

Surprisingly, I think Darth Vader never sits down in Return of the Jedi. Objectively.

WRONG! If you watch the deleted scenes, he CLEARLY sits down right after arriving on the Death Star in order to contact Luke and persuade him to join the dark side. You utter imbecile. You should be ashamed of yourself. 😉

You’re right.

I guess the only time he sits in ANH is in the TIE Fighter? I’m pretty sure he always stands in the conference room

adywan said:

timdiggerm said:

JF_Sanderson said:

Was the shoe erased in cleanup? Or were the Battle scenes recomposited at some point and the shoe omitted?

Most, if not all, of the effects shots were recomposited for the Special Edition. This allowed them to fix problems like TIE fighters appearing out of nowhere or transparent spaceship parts (and many more) but also lead to problems like omitting flying shoes

Not for ROTJ. Not a lot of the shots were recomposited. The TIEs still appear out of nowhere. The shot with the shoe was the famous one where the TIEs go through the Falcon, so this was recomposited. But most of the shots in ROTJ were left alone

Oh! My mistake!

As an adaptation/modernization of the old books… a series would be wonderful

JF_Sanderson said:

Was the shoe erased in cleanup? Or were the Battle scenes recomposited at some point and the shoe omitted?

Most, if not all, of the effects shots were recomposited for the Special Edition. This allowed them to fix problems like TIE fighters appearing out of nowhere or transparent spaceship parts (and many more) but also lead to problems like omitting flying shoes

To bring it back to this film, I wonder if the “New Jedi Order” label on this film’s timeframe is indicative in any way of the larger story they’ll be looking to tell post TROS (much like all the pseudo-Zahnian stuff going on w/ Ahsoka & co). They’ve already taken the general idea of a mysterious figure corrupting a student (Kyp Durron/Ben Solo), so… I dunno, I guess we’ll see.

I have to say, having someone say the words “Heir to the Empire” is a little on the nose

If they’re smart, they’ll do it essentially like a soft reboot, in that all the questions fans have about Palpy, the Force Dyad, Rey’s power-level, etc will be secondary to basic facts and there will be no expectation that you need to have seen the Numbered Episodes recently to follow the story. Basic facts would be:

• Rey is seeking to establish a New Jedi Order
• After the events of the last few movies (and please, don’t watch them again because I’m sure Disney would like to sweep TROS under the rug), there is no dominant political power in the galaxy
  …that’s it, I think

And then, if they’re smart, they’ll never make another Numbered Episode again

Anchorhead said:

I’ve yet to see a reason why they were made other than to serve as New Star Wars product.

To be fair, that’s why they made every Star Wars movie after STAR WARS

Mocata said:

Did the spider episode and the Krayt Dragon episode get a lot of views or something?

Have not watched Mando S3 and maybe never will, but the spider episode was very scary and I loved it.

Yeah it’s some combination of

1. The humans are racist
2. The Gungans purposefully hide their level of tech from the humans

Jedi122 said:

Servii said:

Jedi122 said:

Servii said:

Fullmetaled said:

Well people who hate young anakin ghost are going to hate this. In a new book they’re going to explain why he’s young as a force ghost.

Which book is this?

“From a Certain Point of View: Return of the Jedi”

Those Certain Point of View books aren’t really canon, I think.

They are.

Not exactly
https://web.archive.org/web/20190419223021/https://twitter.com/missingwords/status/1033837757695545344