timdiggerm

Marooned Biker Scout said:

I hope someday we’ll see some talented editors or fans put together a short video based on those scenes lost or cut for Black Friday, and other scenes for Jedi: either animated or model based. It’d be cool to see.

This is, unsurprisingly, my dream. I mean, we have the storyboards for the effects shots, so recreating them in CG is more or less possible. It would not be easy, in as much as it’s work, and then there’s the problems of missing/low-quality cockpit pilot shots, but a rough mockup ought to be doable. We’ll see what happens.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

timdiggerm said:

Well, it took me a little more than two months, but this thread directly lead to my storyboard-based reconstruction: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Reconstructing-the-end-of-ROTJ-with-Storyboards/id/92274

Both this thread and yours are truly fascinating to me. Thank you. I’m going to go read my old Storyboards book for the Original Trilogy right now.

Do you think we’ll find more about on “Black Friday” and the missing Storyboards? I hope we’ll see some interviews, articles and documentaries on this for the 40th anniversary of Return Of The Jedi, as has been done on the official website for Star Wars and Empire for their 40th anniversaries.

I have found more storyboards that aren’t on the site yet, just haven’t had the time to update it. It really does seem like it was a combination of

• The early versions of shots weren’t good enough (in Lucas’s judgment, and we ought to trust him on that)
• The movie had to be done by a certain date
• Everyone was entirely overworked and burning out just trying to get something done before the deadline
• Thus, some things had to be cut

and hey, maybe it really was too long too

RogueLeader said:

timdiggerm said:

RogueLeader said:

You can imagine how cool it must’ve been for audiences to have each character slowly be revealed to them after not seeing them for 3 years.

https://i.gifer.com/Aksq.gif

Lol, literally slowly

ROTJ has many problems, but that has to be a contender for worst shot in the film.

RogueLeader said:

You can imagine how cool it must’ve been for audiences to have each character slowly be revealed to them after not seeing them for 3 years.

https://i.gifer.com/Aksq.gif

Twelfth Night - 1996

The wife and I attempted this one, because she remembered it being good. The source material is good, as is the cast…but we gave up after a half an hour. It was neither funny nor engaging, and suffered from so many bad-Shakespeare-adaptation tropes.

StarkillerAG said:

Channel72 said:

Surprisingly, I think Darth Vader never sits down in Return of the Jedi. Objectively.

WRONG! If you watch the deleted scenes, he CLEARLY sits down right after arriving on the Death Star in order to contact Luke and persuade him to join the dark side. You utter imbecile. You should be ashamed of yourself. 😉

You’re right.

I guess the only time he sits in ANH is in the TIE Fighter? I’m pretty sure he always stands in the conference room

adywan said:

timdiggerm said:

JF_Sanderson said:

Was the shoe erased in cleanup? Or were the Battle scenes recomposited at some point and the shoe omitted?

Most, if not all, of the effects shots were recomposited for the Special Edition. This allowed them to fix problems like TIE fighters appearing out of nowhere or transparent spaceship parts (and many more) but also lead to problems like omitting flying shoes

Not for ROTJ. Not a lot of the shots were recomposited. The TIEs still appear out of nowhere. The shot with the shoe was the famous one where the TIEs go through the Falcon, so this was recomposited. But most of the shots in ROTJ were left alone

Oh! My mistake!

As an adaptation/modernization of the old books… a series would be wonderful

JF_Sanderson said:

Was the shoe erased in cleanup? Or were the Battle scenes recomposited at some point and the shoe omitted?

Most, if not all, of the effects shots were recomposited for the Special Edition. This allowed them to fix problems like TIE fighters appearing out of nowhere or transparent spaceship parts (and many more) but also lead to problems like omitting flying shoes

To bring it back to this film, I wonder if the “New Jedi Order” label on this film’s timeframe is indicative in any way of the larger story they’ll be looking to tell post TROS (much like all the pseudo-Zahnian stuff going on w/ Ahsoka & co). They’ve already taken the general idea of a mysterious figure corrupting a student (Kyp Durron/Ben Solo), so… I dunno, I guess we’ll see.

I have to say, having someone say the words “Heir to the Empire” is a little on the nose

If they’re smart, they’ll do it essentially like a soft reboot, in that all the questions fans have about Palpy, the Force Dyad, Rey’s power-level, etc will be secondary to basic facts and there will be no expectation that you need to have seen the Numbered Episodes recently to follow the story. Basic facts would be:

• Rey is seeking to establish a New Jedi Order
• After the events of the last few movies (and please, don’t watch them again because I’m sure Disney would like to sweep TROS under the rug), there is no dominant political power in the galaxy
  …that’s it, I think

And then, if they’re smart, they’ll never make another Numbered Episode again

Anchorhead said:

I’ve yet to see a reason why they were made other than to serve as New Star Wars product.

To be fair, that’s why they made every Star Wars movie after STAR WARS

Mocata said:

Did the spider episode and the Krayt Dragon episode get a lot of views or something?

Have not watched Mando S3 and maybe never will, but the spider episode was very scary and I loved it.

Yeah it’s some combination of

1. The humans are racist
2. The Gungans purposefully hide their level of tech from the humans

Jedi122 said:

Servii said:

Jedi122 said:

Servii said:

Fullmetaled said:

Well people who hate young anakin ghost are going to hate this. In a new book they’re going to explain why he’s young as a force ghost.

Which book is this?

“From a Certain Point of View: Return of the Jedi”

Those Certain Point of View books aren’t really canon, I think.

They are.

Not exactly
https://web.archive.org/web/20190419223021/https://twitter.com/missingwords/status/1033837757695545344

Yeah I don’t know if that was clear at all.

adywan said:

I wonder why we haven’t had a “Disney Gallery” for Andor yet? With Mando & BOBF we have had these a few weeks after the last episode aired, but no sign of one for Andor. There’s already a BTS for Willow which aired its last episode long after Andor.

Maybe, because they know it’s exactly 2 seasons, and because discussions of some of the story planning stuff would be difficult without getting into spoilers at this point, they’re waiting until after season 2?

yotsuya said:

And the castle concept came back for Rogue One. I’m glad there were no gremlins.

This is a bit off-topic, but the idea of Vader having a castle was used a bit in the EU: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bast_Castle

DZ-330 said:

Quoting from the other thread:

NeverarGreat said:

In all seriousness, I think what’s missing from the Yub Nub ending is a bit more of the underlying instrumentality that appears near the end of the scene.

100% agree. I’m not a fan of Victory Celebration, but I think the orchestrations give it that slight edge over Yub Nub, even if it is a ripoff. If some orchestra can be added to Yub Nub a little earlier in the track, I think it would be a happy medium. Up to Ady though! It’s his edit after all 😃

No, the other problem with Yub Nub is the chorus singing cheesy lines like “Celebrate the love!”. It’s just too much, particularly on top of that goofy grinning group photo.

TheBoogeyman1023 said:

I’ve always loved the Luke & Leia track John Williams composed for ROTJ and it’s not really featured in the movie at all. Only the end credits if I remember correctly.

Huh. I can’t believe I haven’t noticed this before.

Bingowings said:

The flip shots of R2 in the saga are not actually flip shots. They are filmed using R2’s illusive twin brother L2.

I assume he’s owned by Bigger Luke

Emre1601 said:

timdiggerm said:

Maybe he thought Obi-wan had learned the power of shrinking

Obi-Ant Man Kenobi!
 

Maybe Vader thought Kenobi had tried spinning just before striking him down? Vader does believe that to be a good trick!

He definitely already knew that
https://media.tenor.com/ZQo9-htHB18AAAAC/obi-wan-kenobi-spin.gif

I really think that close-up of the two suns is the iconic shot and ought to be kept, at the expense of round suns in the other shots.

But at least I don’t think it should be Skymaster Purple!

Maybe he thought Obi-wan had learned the power of shrinking