timdiggerm

Mocata said:

timdiggerm said:

Mocata said:

Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.

On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?

I probably would see it if I watched it now, been many years. They weren’t against cutting costs in that era.

https://youtu.be/wTqQrRZi66Q?t=128

I think, much like the wagon in B&B, it’s because hand-drawing that kind of rotation of what ought to be a complex 3d shape is really really really difficult

Mocata said:

Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.

On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?

Channel72 said:

I’ve actually met people that claim they can’t tell if something is CGI. And there are people who defend the Prequels saying they can’t tell that the Clonetroopers are CGI.

I assume these people aren’t lying. There’s obviously some psychological aspect to this that isn’t well understood. To me, AoTC mostly looks like glossy shit, with some exceptions (some shots of Coruscant look cool to me).

I agree. There’s great variance in people’s ability to notice this kind of thing. Have you ever noticed the CG in “Bonjour” from Beauty and the Beast (1991)? Go watch that song (it’s wonderful) and see if you spot it.

Did you see it? It’s the cart from 1:17-1:35. It’s very good. In fact, it looks exactly how it ought to, I think. It’s CG used exactly how it ought to be used in a movie like that. I asked my wife, and she didn’t notice anything.

BUT I saw it right away. It stands out to me so clearly as CG. I am not trying to brag about my CG-noticing skills, but my experience leads me to believe that some people aren’t lying. And I bet that the kinds of people who post on a Star Wars message board, especially one on the more technical side of things, are going to be more on the “Noticing CG” side of this.

Mocata said:

Channel72 said:

ANH in particularly has lots of non-Zoomer-friendly scenes, like C3PO and R2-D2 slowly walking through the desert. That was so 70s.

I find this sentiment horrifying.

It’s probably true, but that doesn’t mean it’s good

Matt.F said:

That already looks much better in the screenshot, and as you say it’s got plenty left that could be done with it. Restoration tools and techniques have come on leaps and bounds in the last couple of years, and are only going to improve further with each passing month. If you do further restoration of this scene Phase3 please do share!

Please share in your own thread, not Adywan’s Revisited thread.

I know this isn’t the SE, but all of Red Leader & Gold Leader’s appearances in Rogue One are adjacent to this category

benduwan said:

That is a incredeble work. Will Star wars and empire follow?
Thank you very much.

I’ve thought about it. It’s a lot of work, and their productions were a lot less fraught, a lot less cut at the last minute. I’ve been collecting the storyboards, but I’ve never come across anything for the famous cut stuff from ESB (Wampas in Echo Base, for example), probably because they never made it to post-production effects (and were all on-set effects anyway). As far as I can tell, only ROTJ reached this level of late changes, an unfortunate presage of how things worked in the prequels (particularly the last third of AOTC).

An update on RA 78:

The NOTES section on this one outlines how a flash bulb will be hidden inside the engine pods and compressed air will be used to blow bits of the ship toward camera. So, they got pretty far into the technical details of this shot before apparently abandoning it.

oojason said:

Looks like a riff on the Starship Voyager 😉
 

George will be promoting the new museum, scheduled to open in 2026, in his first ever Comic-Con appearance later today…
 

George is getting up in front of a live Comic Con audience???

I hope there’s a Q&A and I hope Connor Ratliff is there

Were there any fan-scan 35mm preservations before Star Wars?

(I do not know which SW scan project should be considered “first” and I do not think we should get into that kind of argument here)

It seems to me that, given the age of this thread (2006! We’re nearly at the twenty year mark!), this could be an important landmark, the post that (at least for many) started it all

The near-zero acting nominations is bizarre. The series had many strengths, but acting was its second (after writing)

G&G-Fan said:

Apparently Luke’s force kick was intentional!

With this info, I honestly hope it’s kept in Revisited.

It does not show that. This storyboard is all about compositing the Boba Fett footage onto the Sail Barge Battle footage. That’s why the description is all about Boba’s motion. This was not used to plan the action of Luke vs the guards. The fact that the artist included “the Force kick” so clearly may be because it was so distinct, ie it looked bad and they knew right away.

The storyboards for planning the action before filming have a different look:

Note that Boba’s last flight was originally going to be shown from below, looking up at blue sky. Putting Luke in the foreground helps tie the different strands of the fight together into a whole.

Also, note the dates on JB19 - they’re only 6 months away from the film being released when they finally get around to drawing that storyboard. That’s after filming, in the midst of the post-production crunch and, crucially, not long after the early November 82 roughcut screening that lead to a lot of changes & cuts. Probably the roughcut had Boba flying through the blue sky and they felt the need to connect it visually with everything else going on. Or maybe they just didn’t get to this shot until late in post-production.

If he refunded your donation, how is it scamming? Besides, from the way people are reacting, I can see why he did what he did.

oh_riginal said:

That guy with no name said:

oh_riginal said:

https://youtu.be/xPZigWFyK2o?si=T6kamsDQXcdtyT2G

In this clip, at around 5:36, there’s a moment from the Falcon’s cockpit view where it seems Lando has steered the ship to avoid hitting a wall, but the elements used for the ships in front of the Falcon move sideways along with the Falcon’s view in perfect unison, and this has always bothered me. It seems to just be a limitation of the effects at the time. I wonder, Adywan, do you see what I am talking about? And are there any plans to attempt a fix?

Also, does anyone even see what I’m talking about?

Screenshot?

I don’t think a screenshot would show what I’m seeing. You have to see it in motion.

You can link to specific timecodes in youtube links. You can also create GIFs.

Anyway, I don’t think they all move in unison. Each of those ships, as well as the tunnel and the cockpit overlay are separate elements, filmed separately. Other than any issues with the later remastering recomposites, it’s likely exactly what the effects team intended. This isn’t even one of the overly complex parts of the battle that got cut down for budget/time reasons. And again, I don’t see the problem you’re describing.

It’s a whole new category of things for fan editors to work on, akin to the various attempts to make the deleted scenes usable

I mean, it needs to be scanned at the highest digital quality possible. I’d be surprised if the BFI aren’t going to do that.

Grand Admiral Thrawn said:

timdiggerm said:

I should also point out that, due to the use of AI, this might count as a Fan Edit, not a Preservation

Not that it is the same caliber, but would you consider AI being used on The Beatles’ “Now & Then” to isolate and clean the noise on Lennon’s vocals a preservation or an edit? It’s a bit of a gray area. It is not creating, only cleaning and adjusting levels and removing static and background noise.

That’s a good point! I look forward to hearing your results, of course

Grand Admiral Thrawn said:

timdiggerm said:

May you reach that limit sooner and sooner every day

Okay, you’ve inspired me. The main post has been updated with a non-AI cover I put together 😄

Thank you. I have been reading this post and I think it’s spot on.

I should also point out that, due to the use of AI, this might count as a Fan Edit, not a Preservation

Grand Admiral Thrawn said:

timdiggerm said:

Might want to find an AI that can properly recreate a red ball jett organ’s keys, instead of that ridiculous inverted, not-quite-right piano keyboard it gave you.

I’m at my limit for image creation for the day

May you reach that limit sooner and sooner every day

Might want to find an AI that can properly recreate a red ball jett organ’s keys, instead of that ridiculous inverted, not-quite-right piano keyboard it gave you.

I think it’s unwise to think about the disputes over copyright, historic preservation, artistic integrity in good vs evil terms. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Has anyone tried filming people in clone armor to try and replace some of the CG troopers?

That first one has done a really good job recreating the movement, but has a lot of issues with harsh lighting, sharp edges.

The second one is just awful. He’s made the OT look worse in order to help it be less jarring with his renders.

oojason said:

Personally, I’m so pleased that we now finally have a truly worthy Prequel Trilogy (2 seasons of Andor + Rogue One) for the Original Trilogy.

The other Prequel releases - the one true Prequel Trilogy: the 1978 Holiday Special and the 2 theatrical Ewok films… along with the other more dissonant PT films from '99-'05… never really cut it for me (though am glad others seem to enjoy them).

It has certainly been a long wait - yet a worthwhile one.
 

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

Of course, each season is 3-4 movies of material

ElectricTriangle said:

Right, but the fact that they had this and showed it at all rather than just not showing any bit of Tarkin would indicate to me that they filmed all (most, some?) of his scenes for real with Guy Henry’s actual face and it’s sitting in a vault. Again, they professed that they didn’t shot any of this without the intention of Frankensteining Peter Cushing and they had no safety. If this is Guy Henry, I think it at least puts to lie that notion.

Maybe, but “discovering” this “lie” will not actually cause that footage to be released in any form so 🤷‍♂️ there’s no point in getting excited about it. Far, far more likely that there was a shot that was usable without much effects work (removing tracking dots without doing the full CG perhaps) for the trailer.