An additional month for every question you ask.
Really? How can it take a month longer just because I asked a question? Don’t you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
Yes. He is being sarcastic because he is very annoyed with people asking.
Also, I’ve made several updates to the top posts. Let me know if I missed anything from our discussion so far.
Wobani and Ring of Kafene are Gilroys not in the Visual Dictionary and not covered in the slightest. Although The Ring of Kafene is covered in the art book and labelled as Planet X. So Planet X may have been originally in the script but not shot until much later and then given it’s Ring of Kafene trading post label as they had no name for it.
I find this part of Ronster’s argument compelling - it points to them being very last minute additions. Given how much we (don’t) see of them, seems possible.
Wobani feels to me like the obvious insert. This could have happened on Jedha as we never really see outside the Transport (Juggernaught).
The prison cell also appears to be very minimal. There is footage of that squid like creature she shares a cell with jumping along the Jedha street so I think Wobani was Jedha originally but it was made in to another planet.
Jyn was being sent to work on the Kyber Crystal mines as that was a plot point.
Ring of Kafene is probably the opening of the original film.
Triangle Face may have featured at the opening on Jedha he might have also put Jyn behind bars.
Ronster, that is some pretty good stuff. Can you provide any links for that stuff?
Yavin changes are the very next thing I want to add to the top-posts - but it feels like a huge muddle. I have a lot of questions.
Do we even know that Jyn was going to start the movie imprisoned?
Start not necessarily but certainly she ends up on Yavin in cuffs.
Very good point. Not sure how that works with Jedha before Yavin. Hm.
Where does the missing rebel starfighter strike on Jedha fit? (Its excision, btw, may be related to inserting the Eadu sequence, if we think that’s totally reshoots)
Do we know there was a missing strike on Jedha? Where does that come from? As for Eadu, it’s possible there could have been a sequence there beforehand but it would have been completely different. My biggest question mark is where Galen fits into all of this pre-reshoots.
See my links here, but I guess we don’t know. Agree about Galen pre-reshoots being a mystery.
Rebel Command know there’s a weapon being built, and it’s going to be tested soon. Is that test still Jedha? I assume so, but then we have the Death Star starting at Scerif (its construction site), then heading to Jedha, then returning to Scerif.
Since Jyn doesn’t learn about the Death Star until she’s at Yavin post-Jedha, what does she think is going on on Jedha with Saw, Bohdi, Cassian, etc?
I think the sequencing of things aren’t too different from the theatrical. Jyn is on Jedha with Saw beforehand via flashbacks, but the sequence with Cassian, Bodhi, K2, etc. doesn’t happen until after Yavin. It was still their first stop, and probably for similar reasons.
I may be coming around to your view on this order of events.
As for the Death Star, who knows.
The novelization came out today. Certainly it was written well before the reshoots. Someone has to grab a copy and find out what it has.
You’d think so, but…
Fans who saw the film will be relieved to know not many scenes were explicitly changed compared to the film.
Yavin changes are the very next thing I want to add to the top-posts - but it feels like a huge muddle. I have a lot of questions.
Do we even know that Jyn was going to start the movie imprisoned?
Where does the missing rebel starfighter strike on Jedha fit? (Its excision, btw, may be related to inserting the Eadu sequence, if we think that’s totally reshoots)
Rebel Command know there’s a weapon being built, and it’s going to be tested soon. Is that test still Jedha? I assume so, but then we have the Death Star starting at Scerif (its construction site), then heading to Jedha, then returning to Scerif.
Since Jyn doesn’t learn about the Death Star until she’s at Yavin post-Jedha, what does she think is going on on Jedha with Saw, Bohdi, Cassian, etc?
How do you guys feel seeing stuff on the trailers that aren’t in the film? I think it’s very misleading, I’ve been wondering a long time what all the snippets meant and was looking forward to the subway scene and many others. I mean seriously, like 95% of the dialogue and over half of the stuff shown in advance wasn’t in the movie.
I really hope the BD contains a lot of deleted footage.
Do you feel tricked? I think it’s just a reality of the film-making process. When those trailers were made, I’m sure most if not all of what you saw was in the movie - it’s just that things changed over time. If you demand trailers that only contain what’s in the final film, you can’t have trailers until the final cut.
Plus, it’s pretty helpful for discussions like this one!
Saw Gerrara is bald in flashbacks and bearded in the “present”, therefore I believe most of the early trailer shots are from a cut that has some Jyn in training and/or her abandonment. The dialog “What will you do when they catch you? What will you do if they break you? If you continue to fight, what will you become?” sounds like training or his final speech as he leaves her behind.
I agree this sounds like exactly what you say - but then Jyn would’ve been to Jedha previously, as that’s the same room in which they meet later. So…not sure what to make of that?
A version of the script was produced where not everyone died before Disney gave Gareth Edwards the OK to kill everyone:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/20/14022380/rogue-one-ending-original-different-gareth-edwards
He claims none of that ending was actually shot, but that seems to be at odds with the trailer shots of Jyn running around the Imperial base and beach with the plans in hand.
I think Tim’s statement of there being two buildings covers running with the plans. It doesn’t makes much sense to have the archives INSIDE the comm tower/command center. I believe they had to break into the archives, then get to the comm tower, which may or may not have been the command center. If originally the planet was the construction base for finishing the DS, it would make sense to have more than one building.
I think the comm tower was a pretty minor, albeit tall, outlying building, as seen here: https://imgur.com/st5nowj
005, that’s some good stuff! Have any sources I can link to?
He claims none of that ending was actually shot, but that seems to be at odds with the trailer shots of Jyn running around the Imperial base and beach with the plans in hand.
Fascinating. Why do you say that Jyn running around the beach with the plans in hand implies they shot an ending where she survived? As far as I can figure, her survival would only affect what happens after she transmits the plans - and the scenes running around on the beach with the plans took place in between getting the plans from the Archive and transmitting them at the Tower (originally separate structures), which has nothing to do with surviving post-transmission.
Miscellaneous
Rogue Raid on Scarif
After stealing the plans from the archive, some portion of Jyn, Cassian and Kaytoo’s escape from the archives involved a sequence shot in a London Underground station, in which they are chased down a long corridor by troops.
The Imperial Archives on Scarif and the Transmission Tower were separate structures. Jyn, Cassian, and other rebels had to run across the beach from one to the other under fire from Imperial forces once they had the plans.
Imperial Astromech C2-B5 was originally supposed to feature in some significant way, as evidenced by his many forms of merchandise. His appearance may have had something to do with droids having or not having personality from frequent memory wipes. He appears to have been a part of the run from the archives to the transmission tower.
Krennic was going to be on the beach in the aftermath of the battle, possibly walking towards the transmission tower.
Once atop the transmission tower, Jyn was confronted by a TIE Fighter.
Imperial Drama and Eadu
Jedha
The Empire was going to be holding Rebel prisoners on Jedha, as shown by captured pilots.
It seems very likely that Kaytoo did not meet Jyn until they were all on Jedha. Is this because Cassian and Jyn went to Jedha to meet up with Kaytoo, or because Cassian and Kaytoo meet Jyn there, then take her to Yavin?
The crashed X-Wing in the background of Chirrut’s introductory fight scene belonged to Saw’s Partisans - possibly indicating there was more to their attack on the Kyber Crystal Convoy.
At least some of the Partisans, such as Moroff, were going to make it off Jedha. From there they’d join the Rebellion and participate in the assault on Scarif.
Prior Events, Flashbacks and the basic setup
A flashback to Jyn’s time living with and being raised by Saw was filmed, during his shaved-head years. In this scene, shown in a trailer, he appears to be training her. This, however, means Jyn lived on Jedha.
The film originally went from young Jyn being rescued by Saw to Jyn being taken before the Rebels to be sent to Jedha, with no introductory scene for Cassian and no rescue on Wobani in between.
The Rebellion
The Rebels did not trust Jyn, keeping her in shackles during initial custody.
The Rebellion know about the Death Star and its imminent weapons test before briefing Jyn. Her mission is to find out how to destroy it, not to get a defecting pilot to learn of its existence. Does this mean getting a defecting pilot from Saw on Jedha or, having already done that, is her mission to contact her father on Eadu?
Cassian is described in promo materials as a Rebel Recruiter. Is he sent to Jedha to recruit Saw’s Partisans to the Alliance?
I thought it would be interesting to discuss the evidence available and rumors circulating about versions of Rogue One that we, the audience, have not seen. The “Rogue One * Spoilers *” Thread felt very cluttered, so I’ve made a separate thread. My goal is to use the first few replies to compile information put together in the discussion.
We can only assume C2-B5 featured heavily in some cut sequence. Possibly the stuff they filmed in the London Underground, which (given their lack of Imperial Disguises) must have been after they (with a still-okay Kaytoo) get the plans but before they leave the archives and head for the (originally separate) transmission tower.
you can see Guy Henry on set as Tarkin - in full costume, no less
I assume that they did Tarkin by filming Guy Henry, in full costume, acting as Tarkin, then replaced his head in post.
I thought the film was great. The third act, as finally released, appears to be a bit of ROTJ-fan-editor’s wishes, in as much as we got ships crashing into the shield, commandos doing stuff and good fighters & capital ship action.
Maybe it’s much cheaper for them to show Rogue One as a second-run film, which they figure people will still pay to see in January?
The shape ‘X’ can be referred to as an “Ecks” in universe without it being an Aurebesh letter. This does not explain A, B and Y-wings, unless they’re actually Osk, this-letter-didn’t-even-make-sense-in-the-first-place and Vev-wings respectively in Basic and are just translated to our letters for us.
Oh my gosh, Ronster will be here for ROTJ:R when suggestions are open!
Ezra has spent the last 3 years with a trained Jedi. Luke spends like 4 hours with Obi-Wan.
I didn’t make the connection that they’re the EXACT same age. Now I get the significance of him being born on Empire Day.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Empire_Day
Apparently, Ezra’s two days older
Guys… what do you think of this?
They just announced it. I mean, come on… that poster… Mike’s talkings with Disney… Could it really be true? With an announcement of the release of the whole trilogy next year to celebrate ANH?
It says “A New Hope”, not “Star Wars”. If they were screening the original movie it would say “Star Wars”.
No, not in the modern world of franchise marketing. Calling the first film “Star Wars” is not a thing Disney would do.