I think that, despite the undeniable Snoke connection, the main focus is on Gideon’s attempts to use the Child’s blood to create force-sensitive Dark Troopers. Whether this is through blood transfusions or if the troopers themselves are strand-cast is not clear, but whatever.

Yeah, really glad to see this get real public support.

Well that certainly does continue to make me think I’m going to have to get this

Just wanted to say that I totally agree that the episode worked if you don’t know anything about Bo-Katan, Ahsoka, etc. I have not seen TCW or Rebels and only sort of know what happens, my wife knows even less, and we found the episode completely understandable and great.

Maybe living your entire life inside a helmet makes you look older

The way I see it, either The Child storyline gets wrapped up this season, and the show continues with a new quest alongside the bigger Mandalorians storyline, or it somehow takes 4 seasons to find a resolution for The Child and this happens around the same time that Bo-Katan retakes Mandalore.

Revealing that Mando was raised in a cult was a really good move, explained everything. The episode did a great job of making him look naive and not as great as we might sometimes think (Bo & Co. are better than he is), though it felt a little incongruous with his portrayal in the first episode.

However, they’ve setup a really interesting future conflict. Someday, Bo-Katan will be in the same room as The Armourer, and both of them will be claiming to be the true and rightful keeper of The Way. When that time comes, which side will Mando choose?

Hal 9000 said:

Add the opening red and blue ‘helmet’ intro sequence from Disney+ SW shows between the ALTAIAGFFA card and the opening crawl of all saga films.

This genuinely made me laugh

DuracellEnergizer said:

Eyepainter said:

Give everyone a lightsaber. Han Solo gets a lightsaber. Boba Fett gets a lightsaber. R2 and 3P0 get lightsabers. Greedo gets a lightsaber. Chewbacca gets a lightsaber. Lando Calrissian gets a lightsaber. Give all the rebels lightsabers. Give the stormtroopers lightsabers too, and make sure they don’t know how to use them properly, so it makes sense when the ewoks take them down with their own lightsabers.

Finally, give the lightsabers lightsabers.

I believe this has already been done https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AzagAAKiK7k/maxresdefault.jpg

Darth_Zounds said:

Lately, I’ve been thinking…

What if ‘Star Wars’ had synth wave music for its soundtrack, like in ‘Thor: Ragnarok’?

Wrong thread!

Wookieepedia says Chubbits are reptilian, but this lady is definitely amphibian. So…maybe not.

Also, interesting to note that Mando knows “May the Force be with you” is a thing that the New Republicans like to say, but doesn’t know what Jedi are.

Me too.

I’ll be honest, I only knew it was Morrison (and thus Fett) because his name was in the credits. I didn’t recognize him.

I bet the answer is “No, because putting that scene in ruins the pacing and the reveal-fanfare-music when Luke & Obi see the Falcon for the first time.”

I found its popping-up ability a little much, but excusable. The easter eggs were a little heavy by including R5, but otherwise great. All in all, immensely pleased with this. I expect he won’t get off Tatooine before meeting Boba.

Oh, so, you’re not doing it?

Anakin Starkiller said:

Technically, Coruscant was added from the then upcoming Prequels into the OT. It’s only the name Coruscant that comes from the Thrawn Trilogy.

On the one hand, it was never depicted before the Thrawn Trilogy. On the other hand, the idea of a city-planet, I think, goes back to the early drafts (and Trantor in Asimov’s books).

That could add some realism to the battle

I finally saw The Rise of Skywalker and I’m happy to say that if you spend months on the Internet encountering people’s explanations of why it’s terrible, it doesn’t come off as awful just not good. It’s bad, but I don’t hate it. I will not claim to have read or remembered all of your thoughts in this thread, so apologies if this is redundant, but it is nice to have a thread where I can write my thoughts out nonetheless.

The Good

• Well the movie looked amazing. There were a lot of fantastic visuals, such as:
  • Palpatine’s inverted trapezoid floating castle which is actually just a hat to his real fortress which is entirely underground
  • The religious festival
  • Rey & Kylo’s fight where they’re not even in the same room
  • Rey & Kylo’s fight on the wreckage of the DSII
• Palpatine’s return as an idea and his portrayal as a half-living corpse on the end of a medical robot-arm. I did not like this idea when I first heard it, but ultimately I think it’s pretty good (though not as good as maybe not doing this idea. But it did work.). I also liked the idea that Snoke was just a cloned-puppet, but of course it should have had some setup in the previous films (if they had given anything forethought)
• Hux is The Spy. You don’t suspect him, but he does have a motive.
• “The dead speak!” I know people hate this, but it’s pure Star Wars cheesiness, right up there with “War!”
• The opening sequence with Finn & Poe on an exciting mission
• Rey’s training and the tension between her and her friends and her priorities in life
• The ways they managed to get Carrie Fisher into the movie. That was impressive
• The idea that Palpatine contains the spirit of the previous Sith Lords. That was fantastic.

The Bad (aka Confusing, Poorly Explained, etc)

• How did the Emperor return? Who knows about it? etc etc. This really should have been shown.
• What was Kylo doing at the beginning of the movie? Yes, I know he was getting the Wayfinder, but it was way too short. Yes, I know this is because they cut out a lot of stuff - it really felt like they made a mistake there.
• There should have been more stuff involving The Spy proving useful before his reveal & demise
• An explanation of how the Emperor came to possess a big fleet. The Sith-Cultist society laboring for decades in secret isolation explanation is both implausible and barely in the film. Would have been better to just do it Katana Fleet style
• The whole subplot about Rey’s parents being killed by that guy with the dagger was insufficiently set-up and poorly explained
• Poe & Finn’s dangerous mission at the start should have taken place on Couruscant (fan-editors take note!)

The Ugly

• Lightspeed skipping
• The Jetpacks & Speeders chase
• Not killing Chewie
• Restoring Threepio’s memory
• The size of Lando’s backup fleet
• The attempt to cram as much OT stuff in as possible, especially the meaningless glimpses of Bespin & Ewoks at the end in an obvious but poorly-done and unnecessary callback to the SE ending of ROTJ
• Obviously the whole thing with the dagger revealing where to find the wayfinder made no sense and was extremely stupid. Thankfully it was brief.
• The Emperor’s Fleet was overpowered. Enough with the super-weapons, it’s been done, redone, and done again.
• But if you’re going to blow up a planet, then Poe’s ex should have stayed dead (just like Chewie)
• I, sadly, found Dominic Monaghan too distracting, as his every appearance just felt like Charlie from Lost had suddenly joined the Rebellion. And I say this as a person who liked Lost!
• No characters except for Rey & Ben had a story or anything to do. This is a huge screw-up, and the cast’s obvious frustration with this in interviews is completely justified. Poe had a little bit of something when he talked with Lando about the burden of leadership, and that part was actually good, but should’ve been more. Finn had nothing, and should have had the lead-a-stormtrooper-rebellion as originally conceived. Rose had nothing to do and it is so sad. Even if you hate her “Saving what we love” bit in TLJ, her story with Finn was not all bad (except for the horse race, but that’s a different thread) and she should have been treated as part of the gang in this film instead of being reduced to the same level as Grunberg & Monaghan. Similarly, more Hux would have been good.

Yeah, that’s like…the part of the movie that most people love most, remember best, cry over, etc.

ScottZill said:

Cj6543 said:

Notelu said:

I did make an edit using the workprint and uploaded it to archive.org before it was taken down by a ravenous hoard of Thomas fans

The director posted about it asking people to stop posting about it though in fear that they would never release the deleted footage because it was leaked. She wanted it released properly

Odd since it’s not in the details for the Blu-Ray release:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=27231

The workprint isn’t, but the “Deleted Story Lines” are, which is where everyone expects to find the missing footage.

G&G-Fan said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRmCUjvZti0

at 12.23 min “This Sith lord sent by the Emperor will be our undoing”

Really wish Adywan would add this line back in. The Sith aren’t mentioned till the prequels, so itd be nice to hear of the Sith (and more of the Emperor) in ANH

Holy shit, this line is amazing, I definitely want to add it to my edit.

There you go everyone, absolute proof that Darth Vader is and always was a Sith and the Sith always existed in Star Wars.

Well sure, the term appears as early as the May, 1974 rough draft.

That’s pretty wonderful. Also, please note the upper-half of Maul charging into battle.

Agreed, those colors/saturation are pretty bad, but the DS looks good.

The SkyForge stuff looks great, and I hope he teams up with some folks who shoot live action and/or have storytelling vision. Occasionally it felt like it was verging on cartoony or claymation feel, but better that than bad CG.

Yeah, the average consumer doesn’t really care much about the SE vs OOT, or if a poster year matches the year the version they’re watching was made. Why would they? Obi Wan fights Darth Vader and Luke blows up the Death Star - it’s the same movie in most people’s minds.

I do think it’s pretty easy for people in the video-enthusiast camp (i.e. you care a lot about compression artifacts) to overestimate how much bigger the average consumer market (people who care a lot more about ease of access) is. Why would Disney continue to release physical media?