Oh, so, you’re not doing it?

Anakin Starkiller said:

Technically, Coruscant was added from the then upcoming Prequels into the OT. It’s only the name Coruscant that comes from the Thrawn Trilogy.

On the one hand, it was never depicted before the Thrawn Trilogy. On the other hand, the idea of a city-planet, I think, goes back to the early drafts (and Trantor in Asimov’s books).

That could add some realism to the battle

I finally saw The Rise of Skywalker and I’m happy to say that if you spend months on the Internet encountering people’s explanations of why it’s terrible, it doesn’t come off as awful just not good. It’s bad, but I don’t hate it. I will not claim to have read or remembered all of your thoughts in this thread, so apologies if this is redundant, but it is nice to have a thread where I can write my thoughts out nonetheless.

The Good

• Well the movie looked amazing. There were a lot of fantastic visuals, such as:
  • Palpatine’s inverted trapezoid floating castle which is actually just a hat to his real fortress which is entirely underground
  • The religious festival
  • Rey & Kylo’s fight where they’re not even in the same room
  • Rey & Kylo’s fight on the wreckage of the DSII
• Palpatine’s return as an idea and his portrayal as a half-living corpse on the end of a medical robot-arm. I did not like this idea when I first heard it, but ultimately I think it’s pretty good (though not as good as maybe not doing this idea. But it did work.). I also liked the idea that Snoke was just a cloned-puppet, but of course it should have had some setup in the previous films (if they had given anything forethought)
• Hux is The Spy. You don’t suspect him, but he does have a motive.
• “The dead speak!” I know people hate this, but it’s pure Star Wars cheesiness, right up there with “War!”
• The opening sequence with Finn & Poe on an exciting mission
• Rey’s training and the tension between her and her friends and her priorities in life
• The ways they managed to get Carrie Fisher into the movie. That was impressive
• The idea that Palpatine contains the spirit of the previous Sith Lords. That was fantastic.

The Bad (aka Confusing, Poorly Explained, etc)

• How did the Emperor return? Who knows about it? etc etc. This really should have been shown.
• What was Kylo doing at the beginning of the movie? Yes, I know he was getting the Wayfinder, but it was way too short. Yes, I know this is because they cut out a lot of stuff - it really felt like they made a mistake there.
• There should have been more stuff involving The Spy proving useful before his reveal & demise
• An explanation of how the Emperor came to possess a big fleet. The Sith-Cultist society laboring for decades in secret isolation explanation is both implausible and barely in the film. Would have been better to just do it Katana Fleet style
• The whole subplot about Rey’s parents being killed by that guy with the dagger was insufficiently set-up and poorly explained
• Poe & Finn’s dangerous mission at the start should have taken place on Couruscant (fan-editors take note!)

The Ugly

• Lightspeed skipping
• The Jetpacks & Speeders chase
• Not killing Chewie
• Restoring Threepio’s memory
• The size of Lando’s backup fleet
• The attempt to cram as much OT stuff in as possible, especially the meaningless glimpses of Bespin & Ewoks at the end in an obvious but poorly-done and unnecessary callback to the SE ending of ROTJ
• Obviously the whole thing with the dagger revealing where to find the wayfinder made no sense and was extremely stupid. Thankfully it was brief.
• The Emperor’s Fleet was overpowered. Enough with the super-weapons, it’s been done, redone, and done again.
• But if you’re going to blow up a planet, then Poe’s ex should have stayed dead (just like Chewie)
• I, sadly, found Dominic Monaghan too distracting, as his every appearance just felt like Charlie from Lost had suddenly joined the Rebellion. And I say this as a person who liked Lost!
• No characters except for Rey & Ben had a story or anything to do. This is a huge screw-up, and the cast’s obvious frustration with this in interviews is completely justified. Poe had a little bit of something when he talked with Lando about the burden of leadership, and that part was actually good, but should’ve been more. Finn had nothing, and should have had the lead-a-stormtrooper-rebellion as originally conceived. Rose had nothing to do and it is so sad. Even if you hate her “Saving what we love” bit in TLJ, her story with Finn was not all bad (except for the horse race, but that’s a different thread) and she should have been treated as part of the gang in this film instead of being reduced to the same level as Grunberg & Monaghan. Similarly, more Hux would have been good.

Yeah, that’s like…the part of the movie that most people love most, remember best, cry over, etc.

ScottZill said:

Cj6543 said:

Notelu said:

I did make an edit using the workprint and uploaded it to archive.org before it was taken down by a ravenous hoard of Thomas fans

The director posted about it asking people to stop posting about it though in fear that they would never release the deleted footage because it was leaked. She wanted it released properly

Odd since it’s not in the details for the Blu-Ray release:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=27231

The workprint isn’t, but the “Deleted Story Lines” are, which is where everyone expects to find the missing footage.

G&G-Fan said:

TheAlaskanSandman said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRmCUjvZti0

at 12.23 min “This Sith lord sent by the Emperor will be our undoing”

Really wish Adywan would add this line back in. The Sith aren’t mentioned till the prequels, so itd be nice to hear of the Sith (and more of the Emperor) in ANH

Holy shit, this line is amazing, I definitely want to add it to my edit.

There you go everyone, absolute proof that Darth Vader is and always was a Sith and the Sith always existed in Star Wars.

Well sure, the term appears as early as the May, 1974 rough draft.

That’s pretty wonderful. Also, please note the upper-half of Maul charging into battle.

Agreed, those colors/saturation are pretty bad, but the DS looks good.

The SkyForge stuff looks great, and I hope he teams up with some folks who shoot live action and/or have storytelling vision. Occasionally it felt like it was verging on cartoony or claymation feel, but better that than bad CG.

Yeah, the average consumer doesn’t really care much about the SE vs OOT, or if a poster year matches the year the version they’re watching was made. Why would they? Obi Wan fights Darth Vader and Luke blows up the Death Star - it’s the same movie in most people’s minds.

I do think it’s pretty easy for people in the video-enthusiast camp (i.e. you care a lot about compression artifacts) to overestimate how much bigger the average consumer market (people who care a lot more about ease of access) is. Why would Disney continue to release physical media?

oojason said:

timdiggerm said:

I actually think this should be in “Best Edit Ideas”, but as that isn’t a thread, I will put it here:

Dew it!!!

That or an general ‘random fan edit ideas’ thread, maybe?

😉

Does that exist? I didn’t create it because I figured it would become an endless, unorganized and often repetitive grab-bag.

I actually think this should be in “Best Edit Ideas”, but as that isn’t a thread, I will put it here:

https://twitter.com/kristapley/status/1289065888046432257

He’s pretty right on most if not all of them, and it’d be a good way for someone doing a complete saga edit to throw the viewer into an alternate universe feeling

LexX said:

SilverWook said:

Maybe an unused take of the race to the Falcon or the pad where Boba was taking off from? Meant to be a plate for a matte shot. Somewhere I’ve seen a still of a blue screen shot of Lando leading Han and the gang that was supposed to composited with a Cloud City exterior that never made it into the film.

It was used, the camera is above filming and they did have a shot from above when they were running to the Falcon with the matte painting around it. Cool image, I didn’t know it was shot outside.

https://youtu.be/YjGa5Vj7B7I?t=98

Though it appears to be a different take/setup where Chewie is behind, rather than in the lead.

EvantheKidDS said:

I’ll shut up.

Just make your own thread! Then you can talk all you want

He cut out frames from Dex, to make him look like he’s stop-motion.

doubleofive said:

I grew up with the similarly sped up CED of Star Wars, and I recall it being subconsciously weird when I got the Faces set as a teenager.

This is pretty amusing given that you’re now the “The Originals must be The Originals!” guy.

It’s aspirational music for the Hutt

That is the most polite post this forum has ever seen. It makes me happy.

NeverarGreat said:

But who on earth is going to figure that out from the film? Hrumph.

Agreed, but there’s only one Mon Cal ship at the Battle (if memory serves). As such, and given that we don’t see any others at Yavin in the film, it’s possible to surmise that the Mon Cal faction in the Alliance, or at least ready to fight, was small at this point.

ray_afraid said:

timdiggerm said:

Dek Rollins said:

If it’s not in the film, it isn’t “known” to the audience.

Sorry to say, but the audience knew the word “Ewok”

The obscure novelization giving info on how the Emperor gained power & the massive advertising juggernaut plastering EWOK on everything are very different situations.

I agree; I was just pointing out that the principle he espoused is definitely false as a general principle.

1. Kylo isn’t a Sith. Or at least he doesn’t know he is? Unclear.

2. They’re not red, because he stole them from Jedi. The idea that he has killed many Jedi is a big part of what makes him intimidating at all.

Dek Rollins said:

If it’s not in the film, it isn’t “known” to the audience.

Sorry to say, but the audience knew the word “Ewok”

darklordoftech said:

Tobar said:

Highly doubtful you’ll ever see lightsiders wielding red sabers in the new canon given the new canon’s explanation for how they’re created.

Just because “bleeding” them turns them red doesn’t mean they can’t also “naturally” be red.

While technically correct, this would be visually confusing.

If it was Mando, why keep it mysterious? Why not show us?

It’s Boba Fett.