I'll be the voice of dissent and say that it doesn't look cool. It's less convincing than the original.
lordsidi said:
Thanks,Sluggo. I too could'nt stand the change in "Greedo vs. Han"scene. I'll admit it,I'm a Star Wars superfan and even though I've never dressed up at a convention or wear star wars shirts,hats,etc...I cherish the movies. I read alot of VERY in depth,technical complaints on here and i've shook my head at the anger shown but this is the real first time Ive understood. I also so a youtube clip of "obi wans' krayt dragon yell"......holy sh*t, ...in the name of god what was wrong with the ORIGINAL yell?? Nothing. All I can do is thank my lucky stars for the guys on here who've put their blood,sweat and tears into restoring the originals and now even in HD. I'm a sucker and prob will get the new blu ray set to enjoy the crisp HD picture and for the extras....but in my mind these are NOT my Star Wars movies.
If you have any advice on how to best approach other people who think the in-depth, technical is a little crazy to at least get their support on this sort of thing... we could probably use the advice?
Anchorhead said:
I have to say I'm very surprised at the BR outrage. Given the way Lucas treats Star Wars, how could anyone not think there were going to be a myriad of unnecessary, lied-about, prequel-tie-in, and just plain weird alterations to the first three films?
I'd say that "NOOOOO" in ROTJ is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Does that make sense?
Fang Zei said:
-The blinking eyes - so now they've actually created a continuity problem as the ewoks don't blink in the ewok movies.
You're assuming those are in any meaningful canon
-Han's de-freezing: You have got to be kidding me! Just like Jabba's new door, it looks terrible. What was the rationale for this anyway?
Well, it's always looked terrible.
It's almost as if Lucas is ashamed of the early 80's optical effects that don't gel with the look of the prequels, so he's just slathering it in bad photoshop.
...where have you been for the last 13 years?
/thread
I'm very skeptical of the idea that any boycott will send a meaningful message to Lucas, as the number of people who will buy the blurays is just too big.
I suggest a new strategy: Rather than focusing on "Don't buy the Blu-Rays because the changes suck", focus on "Wait to buy the eventual Original, unchanged release".
Adium said:
At this point, I think we have a better chance of convincing a collector to sell... heck, TEMPORARILY LEND his technicolor print and make that into something watchable rather than wait for Lucas to release the films on blu ray in respectable quality.
We just need him to lend it to someone who can do a 35mm telecine or scan of some kind. As far as I know, that's not actually anyone of the regular posters on this forum?
DuracellEnergizer said:
Tyrphanax said:
No no. I mean in-universe. Perhaps lightsabers just change colour slightly depending on certain conditions.
No, no, no! That way lies madness!
Wookieepedia said:
You called?
none said:
that's a good time to start rolling out Doubleofive's SE comparisons
To be fair, most people don't care about redone wipes. At what point does the meticulousness overwhelm and become a turnoff?
Bingowings said:
It would be interesting hear which new changes are 'salvageable' some of them clearly are not but is there anything new worth keeping or working on?
Depends on your purpose. For things like Revisited, Ewok-Eyes might be worth keeping. The lack of Humdinger is probably worth keeping, depending on the quality of the fix.
twooffour said:
AICN coverage is good. Excellent.
Good things about the Blu-Ray changes:
1. The concept of the bigger Jabba's door shot is nice. It's clearly poorly executed, but I like the idea.
2. The Ewok eyes is much like Jabba's door, but I don't seem to think it looks as bad as you guys do.
3. Han's unfreezing seems a bit better. It's still not that great, but any improvement is nice, because that effect has always been awful.
aaaaaand that's about it.
TV's Frink said:
This thread is giving me great ideas for my eventual Ridiculous edits of the OT.
Aren't those coming out on blu-ray soon?
bkev said:
REALLY? That's pointless. Beyond belief.
It's not pointless at all. Clearly someone at Lucasfilm loves 005 and just wants to give him more to do with his hobby!
Ah, but it does make the films rhyme more.
I'm surprised you read it, to be honest. I thought it was too long.
but sometimes disaster must be appreciated.
TV's Frink said:
Darth Bizarro said:
Lando's excursion to the blob races
What?
Get ready for this...
Wookieepedia said:
A blob race was a bizarre contest of speed between protoplasmic, gelatinous Umgullian blobs through a course of obstacles—from fine mesh screens to a bed of nails. It was a major betting sport in Umgul City on the planet Umgul. The syrupy masses, usually grayish green but laced with bright hues, rolled, slithered, and oozed their way through. Cheating on the races was punishable by death.
and
Wookieepedia said:
The typical blob was a base color of sickly green. Most, however, were patterned with vivid spots and stripes. There were many subspecies of blob, some bred for racing, some bred as domestic pets and some even for medicinal purposes. All, however, consisted almost solely of a large mass of jelly-like fluid encased in a thin membrane. This membrane was thin enough to let the moisture of Umgul's foggy atmosphere to pass through. This skin also had the ability to break and then reform instantly. This allowed the blob to split into two new blobs. These new blobs would behave exactly like the original blob until, at any point, they were able to re-merge into one. This was also how the blobs reproduced; when a blob grew to the appropriate size, it would divide into two equal, smaller blobs, like giant amoebae
and finally...
Wookieepdia said:
Along with C-3PO and R2-D2, [Lando] was led to the Umgullian Blob races in search of the possible Force-sensitive. The individual they were searching for, Dack (also known as Tymmo), turned out to be a cheater on the blob races instead of a Force-sensitive, and Calrissian helped expose him. When Calrissian went to confront Tymmo at the blob stables, he found that the man had planted something on one of the blobs. Tymmo did not take kindly to being discovered and a short firefight at the corral ensued before security forces arrived to subdue him. Rather than suffer the usual death penalty for cheating, Tymmo was returned to his wife Mistal, the Duchess of Dargul. As a reward for Calrissian's help in returning her husband, Mistal gave him one million credits.
So... now you know.
The only problem I see with the eyes is the whites of his eyes - He doesn't have any in the non-CG bits.
Other than that, this is a pretty good change (if we're changing things, which is a different judgment scale, see).
Chewtobacca said:
DuracellEnergizer said: This may just be me, but it's kind of hard to tell that Shaw has any discernible British accent in ROTJ.
He most certainly has an English accent.
As an American, I'd just like to say that I've never heard it (and still don't).
ray_afraid said:
I like the idea of changing the Ewoks eyes to make them more believable and life-like. But the way they've done it makes 'em look so creepy!
This may be something we need to see in motion.
TV's Frink said:
vbangle said:
Sorry but that just looks gay as hell.
Sorry but using "gay as hell" to describe something you don't like is gay as hell.
...double standard?
ImperialFighter said:
Anyway, it turned out that he intends to alter the intro. of ROTJ for his eventual Revisited edit, so that it seems Vader is on his Executor rather than some random Stardestroyer...so the existing ROTJ shot of the shuttle dropping down from the front 'bay' is likely to be GONE in his version.
Although this raises the question of "Then how does Palpatine get to the Death Star?", I'm really glad to hear this. Having Vader arrive in the Executor keeps better continuity with ESB, and results in a more impressive SD-flyover shot, instead of just repeating the ANH intro.
But was the picture letterboxed? If not.... could it have been DJ's v3 or something? Harmy's Despecialized?
IMPORTANT NOTE: you're going to want a much higher resolution file than that for physical printing.
But seriously guys, that looks amazing.
Anchorhead, it's good, but I have to agree with Silver - It needs the "SAVE"
And maybe just the url for savestarwars.com, as I feel like ot.com is a little less publicly presentable.
And maybe a different font for the url?
EDIT: I forgot to say - Thank you for actually making what is at least a prototype!
Oh goodness, a whole message board for people making protocol droid costumes and models. Well, there goes that logistical problem!