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Well, you can... not read certain threads... I guess?

In the strictest sense, a preservation of the GOUT would be a rip of the DVD, available online after GOUT discs are no longer available in stores. It would preserve the GOUT release for future viewing, and nothing more. By that very, very strict definition of a preservation, V3 is not a preservation, because it is not an exact copy of the GOUT. It has been resized/cropped so as to appear correctly on widescreen TVs, and the colors have been fixed. Now, I think we all agree that this was a really great idea, because it puts the GOUT looking a whole lot more like the theatrical version, as it should, but it doesn't meet the strictest possibly definition of a preservation.

Thankfully, we're not using that strict of a definition of "preservation" on this forum.

TV's Frink said:

This isn't a preservation project?  It's in the wrong forum if that's the case.

Depends on how you define preservation. Harmy's DEs don't preserve any particular release of the films literally, but they intend to do their best to preserve the content of the original versions in the highest quality they can. It's exactly what most people want in a preservation, even if it isn't really a preservation.

Of course, I guess you could also say that DJ's not preserving any particular release of the films as he's editing the GOUT... from a certain point of view.

Perhaps Harmy's work, as well as Hairy Hen's, are best described as "Recreations".

For the average person (ie not someone who cares about matte lines) visiting this forum for the first time, both DJ's and Harmy's work seem like good options, because they want the original trilogy and they're told those two are the best. They're told to check out both, so a comparison is inevitable. But for those people, Harmy's will probably win, because it's inherently higher resolution (finer detail).

And then they'll say so, because they don't understand the different goals. And then DJ will post, and then Harmy will agree.

I've considered buying those several times, and may if I find them for cheap somewhere. I remember getting them from the library when I was younger (12 years old for art of TPM) and distinctly recall how they inspired me to draw more.

Also, Frink, that may be my favorite post ever. Thank you.

Licence to Kill a Mockingbird

It's a good thing Ady doesn't really care about this thread?

I don't believe so, no.

Just wanted to draw attention to this...

My friend Peter, who was also at the screening and whose photos have been featured on savestarwars.com, just got around to uploading his videos from the screening. He, himself, points out that there are a million problems with them, but so it goes. I'm not sure if they're at all useful, though maybe the entrance into Mos Eisley could help Harmy, and they do a nice job of demonstrating, once again, the quality of the IB print, but they're at least plenty enjoyable for the crowd reactions in certain places. Anyways, they'rre on pages 3 and 4 of his gallery. This link should start you off, I think? http://photos.petergaultney.com/Movies/historic/Star-Wars-at-The-Senator/13089279_chpNjq#948713561_WKZxo

There's never been any problem with Lando being in the palace without an entrance-explanation-scene. Now, true, he wasn't nearly as talkative as Threepio, but I don't see why Threepio can't be pretending to be any old droid working as Jabba's translator. Similarly, when Artoo turns up on the barge, he's undercover. Luke's holomessage to Jabba isn't even necessary.

Maybe find a stopmotion guy to make the stopmotion Jabba head that never was....

Maybe not.

That is, indeed, "NOOOOOOOOOO!" inducing.

Zero said:

a beach party sequel to THX 1138.

Just wanted to point out that this is a fantastic idea.

So...

Luke ignites the saber, sees it works.

Vader emerges from the fog once again, ghost like, in slow motion.

Luke rises, raises his saber, and turns it off as Vader swings.

Just as Vader would make contact, slicing through Luke, he instead fades away, no more than a vision, now conquered.

In his hovel, Yoda smiles.

Eh?

The new Luke shots would all be from behind, thus making it possible to film them with someone who isn't 1983-Mark-Hamill. The Yoda shot... not sure about that.

After some thought, I think that's a better idea. That way, we get to keep the opening scene with the Star Destroyer and all.

That was really great. Glad someone put it together so quickly.

But it's so short, I wonder why it was cut!

So that's what he's holding! His own leg!

Right, I actually think that works. I'm wondering if there's not a good way to restore Vader calling out to Luke (ROTJ Deleted scenes)... but instead of listening on Tatooine, he's on Dagobah, in the hut, leading right into Yoda's death.

zombie84 said:

(and yes--to me, the composite is the effect; a model against bluescreen is not the visual effect, anyone can film that, it was the way they were put together that was pioneering).

I thought a large amount of the innovation was the really good motion control system they built, which relates more to the actual filming of the individual models than it does the compositing?

As a less-crazy version of Bingo's idea, perhaps Obi-wan could use the Force to stir up a little sandstorm around him as he runs towards the Tuskens. More impressive than his floppy robe.

There's a big difference between making a giant puppet that sits next to/under people blink and making a mask on a little person blink.

Thought:

We don't actually need anything in Jabba's Palace until Leia & Chewie arrive. If you establish in the crawl that folks are already infiltrating the Palace, then Threepio's presence is explained. Artoo, meanwhile, we don't see until he's serving drinks on the barge. Threepio's reaction is sufficient to introduce the idea that Artoo has infiltrated the Palace, much like Lando. This opens the door for Luke & Yoda moving to the beginning of the movie without problem (seeing as he needs Artoo with him in the X-Wing).

I had concerns about how this removes the introduction to Jabba and his Palace that the droids experience, but it may still work. I'd recommend an establishing shot of "Boushh" and a chained Chewbacca walking towards the Palace before cutting to the dance inside.

The only real problem I see is that Luke will have waited an awful long time to actually ask "Is Darth Vader my father?"... and what to do about everything once they return to The Fleet. I mean, Luke's current introduction is pretty nonsensical, but how to fix it?

TV's Frink said:

FINAL VERDICT:  A MUST BUY DUE TO THE INCLUSION OF AN EXTRA RIC OLIE SCENE

Please include in TRM with the best new bluescreen effects you can manage

As I understand it, the 2004 & 2011 releases suffer from “crushed blacks”, where areas which previously contained varying levels of darkness have been flattened to straight blackness, losing detail.

I was wondering… would it be possible to replace those crushed areas with the equivalent areas from DJ’s V3 or some similar source? Obviously those areas would be blurry compared to the rest of the frame, but at the same time they are awfully dark, so perhaps it wouldn’t be as noticeable.

Thoughts from people who actually know what they’re talking about would be great.

Ho-ly crap that was amazing. Obviously this is going to need loads of work, but I like it a lot. It's probably worth storyboarding precisely and figuring out what new shots are needed (many, obviously). Try to avoid reusing footage from the films, and try to figure out how to transition from Vader to this scene... and from this scene to whatever comes next.