Yup, thanks to bootleg audio (we have the 72mm and 35mm audio, right?), I think this belongs in https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Childhood-Misconceptions-aka-The-Trap-Thread-but-misconceptions-still-welcome/id/11406/page/1 and/or (Cassian!) https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/my-memory-isnt-that-bad-is-it-in-SW-77-Luke-misses-with-the-grappling-hook/id/6521/page/1
I’ve always wanted a Star Wars movie or show with a nonhuman protagonist, so I’d be down for a Bothan spies show.
We’ll almost certainly see this someday. When Matt Martin, member of the Lucasfilm Story Group, was once asked about Bothans.
It’s pretty easy to confirm: we are purposely trying not to show them to leave all possibilities for when that story gets told. The dude in Resistance is based on the EU design of a Bothan that the Animation art team used as reference for a background alien. It’ll will come out eventually. Maybe they’ll be just like the EU versions and that dude in Resistance has been a Bothan all along… but we won’t know until we know! For what it’s worth, I believe the first story appearance of a Bothan in the EU came about 7 years after they were mentioned in RotJ and that was in a novel with no visual representation.
That’s good enough for me. And, as we’ve seen before, it’s never a good idea to rush things.
Which of the three new movies is best?
Is this new trilogy better than the prequels?
And another thing…
Season 1 was about Cassian’s conversion, obviously. Will Season 2 feature someone else’s conversion? One possibility, entirely speculative, is that Dedra will turn. The Empire has started to fail to live up to her expectations (not taking prisoners from Anto Kreegyr’s group, for example), and I could imagine that learning of the Death Star would somehow push her over the edge.
I assume that ISB does not yet know of the Death Star; it will be interesting to see if Dedra’s attempts to regain status after her total failure at Ferrix will somehow lead her to discovering its existence.
If the music stays much the same through Season 2 as it has been, the transition to RO as a series finale will be musically jarring.
This show was… good. It wasn’t an uneven mess and knew what it wanted to be. It had things like suspense and characterisation which have been missing from recent SW content, if it was ever present before in these terms. It also had some proper acting talent and proper dialogue instead of the nonsense in recent shows. The tone made sense and people behaved in ways that made sense. It didn’t feel cheap and wasn’t full of cringe references, despite a few name drops.
So it came as no surprise that people hated the pacing and the lack of action. Because for better or worse (it’s the former) this isn’t really SW at all in terms of things like escapism and adventure. SW as a continuation of THX or the crime dramas of the 1970s. After the awkward choppy flashbacks in the first 3 parts it all fell into place. So I fully expect season 2 to be tampered with to make it more appealing to a wider audience, i.e. things like Darth Vader and more deepfakes.
It’s these sort of things that mean I can’t yet accept this as enriching Rogue One after the fact. At least not fully. They could give three episode arcs to Saw and Jyn or to Maze and his pals, but it still leads to creepy CGI faces and Darth Vader’s ‘totally epic’ murder spree. Maybe LFL should avoid this and work towards common goals of quality output instead of just handing out jobs to everyone that is in vogue. It depends on if they recognise what they have here. Disney don’t because they buried it on the app front page.
I watch a lot of shows. The only Star Wars item I am looking for connection on with this is Rogue One. The title of this series is Andor so it should be mostly about him and what led him to the character we see in Rogue One. There is a lot of extra stuff in this series that isn’t related to those events. It is tying into the Rebellion in general and that ties into the Skywalker Saga. Mon Mothma is part of the Skywalker Saga. Luthien is not, but I don’t feel his character had much development and he should have been the focus. Instead we know way more about the culture of Mon Mothma’s family and world than is useful to a tighter story of Cassian Andor.
Given that Mon is in Rogue One, it wouldn’t surprise me if we see other figures from the RO Yavin scenes show up in Season 2, which surely, in addition to being about Cassian’s life, will be about turning a vague network held together by an antiques dealer into a real, functional military. Andor is a prequel to the Rebellion side of that movie, so in addition to K-2SO, we’ll probably see Bail, Jan Dodonna, Davits Draven, Raddus, etc as the season progresses. Also, maybe we’ll see why Saw got kicked out (unless Rebels covered this?)
Did you know that Melshi (Cass’s prison break buddy) was in Rogue One??? I just learned this from Wikipedia.
It largely circled back to where it started, at least for Cass.
Not at all! Cassian has undergone a tremendous conversion. Whereas he went with Luthen out of desperation and took part in the Aldahni mission for money, now he’s preparing for action by listening to Nevik’s manifesto and joining Luthen willingly, dissatisfied with any life but one of full commitment to the cause. He is a changed man.
He’s change by the events of the last episode more than all the rest of the season. That is my issue. Nevik’s manifesto is far too similar to his mother’s speech.
I actually don’t think the last episode changed him at all. If anything, he went into the last episode a certain way and ended it just verbalizing that to Luthen. You’re exactly right about the manifesto vs Maarva’s speech. But Maarva’s speech wasn’t for him, he didn’t need to hear it anymore; esp. since she pretty much said all of that to him herself in episode 7.
Exactly right. The last episode showed us the change that’s been happening in Cass over the course of the season, and the funeral showed us that he’s far from unique in being changed by experiencing the Empire’s oppression.
It largely circled back to where it started, at least for Cass.
Not at all! Cassian has undergone a tremendous conversion. Whereas he went with Luthen out of desperation and took part in the Aldahni mission for money, now he’s preparing for action by listening to Nevik’s manifesto and joining Luthen willingly, dissatisfied with any life but one of full commitment to the cause. He is a changed man.
It’s like somehow they now look like they’re moving too fast, and this makes them look small. This is particularly true of the AT-AT shots. The Rancor shots are a little better, but it still looks bad.
Cool world building btw.
This show has done a lot for showing that every planet is different, with its own local culture & traditions with Ferrix and Chandrila. It’s pretty cool.
Predictions for episode 12!
Season 2 has a lot of ground to cover in terms of the Rebellion growing, that’s for sure.
Could not get this idea out of my head:
Wookiee musical about an enclave of Wookiees surviving in a low level of Coruscant, and the troubles they face with increased oppression from the Empire. Titled “Fiddler on the Wroshyr”, includes the famous song “Tradoshans!”
Is this where we start lobbying for a “Tony Gilroy’s Rogue One Re-edit” as a series finale after Season 2?
No, someone already said that
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Can’t wait until they clone Cassian and we get Keeef Guurgo
@adywan someone told me if you have the hdr or Dolby vision metadata from the original trilogy it can be added to your fanedit but the only thing I wasn’t sure on was would your new footage complicate that or not just wondering. because if it doesn’t I’m surprised you and nobody knew about this I didn’t know about until yesterday.
HDR is really just a different way of encoding the colors. Before OLED and Laser Projectors, there was a range to blacks. It basically expands that range. Someone skilled at the conversion could take any of his changes and render those shots in HDR. The only way to get true HDR is to shoot it in HDR. All old film was not designed for that and it will be an approximation. Some films can be scanned from the Original Negative and glean out some extra data when scanned as HDR. The Star Wars films are heavy on FX which really limits things. The scans we have were not scanned with HDR in mind, but with 3D in mind. So converting Adywan’s edit could be just as good as the Lucasfilm HDR version.
At least the way I understand it. You can discuss the color space and all the technical details, but at the root you have to have an original image that is suitable for HDR. Other have done HDR conversions of non-HDR sources.
So how can the lucasflim’s hdr grade be added to it then now I’m even more confused?
It can’t. Please stop.
This what someone said what are they talking about then? there are fanedits that copy/lift hdr metadata from one release and paste it on another is this true or is this person wrong?
He’s clearly saying that “this person” (whoever they are) is wrong. How would we know what some unnamed person was talking about in a conversation none of us were privy to?
A lot of the unfinished FX shots in there could be great resources for fanedits!
What unfinished effects shots?
could someone list them out?
the holochess table shot looks better than in the film more vibrant.
I don’t have a list, but I will say that, throughout the series - I’ve only watched the first 4, but that’s the end of the OT - any shots they use from the OT are definitely the original, optically composited effects. No SE or later changes! I’m sure others have noted this, and it’s obviously extremely necessary for a documentary like this, but it’s so great to see nonetheless. That is probably why the holochess table looks more vibrant.
Kino’s arc being all a ruse seems unlikely, as this is at least partly a show about belief & conversion, and he’s a great example of it.
If the Empire was trying to trick a group of people into being prisoners for life, I imagine that pretending to release them only to give them a new sentence would only work once. Maybe the prisoners are ‘released’ only to be transported to the neighboring prison building for the remainder of their life sentences, and one prisoner was accidentally placed back in the same building in a different level, at which point the game was up.
But wouldn’t they just be like “…hey I was supposed to be released!” to their new team, and then we end up with the same problem?
I’m imagining that there are two prison systems, one for prisoners who believe that they are working out a temporary sentence and one for prisoners who know that they are in for life. Whenever prisoners complete their sentence in the first system they are transferred to the second system (perhaps in a different building altogether) and so everyone there knows that they have been lied to and they are in for life.
This gets screwed up if someone who was supposed to be released is placed back into the first prison system instead of going to the second, which may be what has happened with the prisoner on Level 2.
Right, I just have a difficult time imagining what that looks like or how it would in any way be productive
If the Empire was trying to trick a group of people into being prisoners for life, I imagine that pretending to release them only to give them a new sentence would only work once. Maybe the prisoners are ‘released’ only to be transported to the neighboring prison building for the remainder of their life sentences, and one prisoner was accidentally placed back in the same building in a different level, at which point the game was up.
But wouldn’t they just be like “…hey I was supposed to be released!” to their new team, and then we end up with the same problem?
Chandrila is beginning to seem like the planet where all the wealthy and ignorant people are from.
I think this is just because the only Chandrilans we’ve met are the ones who would travel or move to Coruscant. Tay made it pretty clear that Mon’s way of life on Coruscant is much fancier than the usual Chandrilan lifestyle. I’m hoping we actually get to see Chandrila sometime, and maybe some of its more normal denizens, but the apparent introduction of a Chandrilan mob boss does not achieve that goal.
What exactly do we think happened with Level 2? Did a guy think he was getting released from Level 4, but really he was just reassigned to Level 2, and when the Level 2 prisoners realized the truth, they rioted? Or was he supposed to be released but they made a bureaucratic error? Or…something else? The fact that frying an entire level took so much power that it knocked out power elsewhere in the prison temporarily has interesting implications for the potential of a full-scale riot. On the other hand, the prison does not seem all that difficult to completely flood if commanding officers on the highest level deem it necessary.
Why are the prisoners assembling things, when the Empire could just use droids, like the Geonosians used to build droids in AOTC? We do see plenty of people doing manual labor, so maybe that’s just how the economics of droids works in the galaxy, but it wouldn’t shock me if all their labors were actually pointless and the inspection process in a separate facility is just droids disassembling them and reassembling them properly.
Also, Keef Girgo, though surely a perfect Star Wars Name, is a little too similar to Greef Karga
Keep in mind that the title has to work for both seasons; I suspect Season 2 will feel at least a bit different as Cassian will (probably) be much more all-in.
Question for the group. Contains a spoiler
Do you think Kleya is acting on her own by arranging a meeting with Vel and telling her to kill Cassian? I get the feeling from the secretive nature of the meeting and Vel wondering why Luthen isn’t there with her that Kleya may not have told Luthen about her plan. I also get the impression that Vel isn’t going to do it since Cassian protected her by doing away with Skeen and leaving her all the money. He did the right thing for her, I think she’ll return the favor.
I totally agree