timdiggerm

StarkillerAG said:

timdiggerm said:

StarkillerAG said:

Didn’t TLJ imply that Luke’s sacrifice would inspire rebellion across the galaxy? Wasn’t that what the end scene was all about?

Instead we got Luke sacrificing himself for no reason, no one in the galaxy caring about the First Order for a whole year, and then Lando somehow convinces the entire galaxy to fight the First Order in the span of 30 minutes.

Mm, not quite. The end of TLJ implies that the Force, hope, and people’s belief in what is good and right would continue to inspire rebellion against the forces of evil, as it always had, and that the seed of Millenium Falcon and its occupants, particularly Rey but really also everyone else, will grow in this galaxy of fertile soil, the spark that reignites the fire. Not many would necessarily know of Luke’s sacrifice, but that’s okay; his legend is firmly established as an example in the minds of many.

That’s the problem though: Luke’s legend doesn’t inspire rebellion across the galaxy. The Resistance has barely grown in the year between TLJ and TROS, and the only reason anyone bothered to show up at the final battle at Exegol was because of Lando’s insane smooth-talking skills. It’s another example of JJ throwing away all the good stuff from TLJ.

Oh, I wasn’t disagreeing with that. I haven’t even seen TROS.

StarkillerAG said:

Didn’t TLJ imply that Luke’s sacrifice would inspire rebellion across the galaxy? Wasn’t that what the end scene was all about?

Instead we got Luke sacrificing himself for no reason, no one in the galaxy caring about the First Order for a whole year, and then Lando somehow convinces the entire galaxy to fight the First Order in the span of 30 minutes.

Mm, not quite. The end of TLJ implies that the Force, hope, and people’s belief in what is good and right would continue to inspire rebellion against the forces of evil, as it always had, and that the seed of Millenium Falcon and its occupants, particularly Rey but really also everyone else, will grow in this galaxy of fertile soil, the spark that reignites the fire. Not many would necessarily know of Luke’s sacrifice, but that’s okay; his legend is firmly established as an example in the minds of many.

idir_hh said:

A plethora of concept art from the rise of skywalker including Kylo Ren and chewbacca and the jedi temple on coruscant:

https://mobile.twitter.com/fpdlffh/status/1218114589352529920?s=20

Surely these are from the “Duel of the Fates” draft

DominicCobb said:

The fact that Williams has now been nominated for all of the OT and all of the ST makes his complete shut out from the PT all the more questionable. I think perhaps the only explanation is he had other scores those years that the Academy was more interested in.

Angela’s Ashes in 1999, Catch Me If You Can in 2002, and both Memories of a Geisha and Munich in 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_John_Williams

In 2002, he also had Minority Report and Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets go unnominated, and War of the Worlds in 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_John_Williams#Film_scores

The usual Star Wars nominations, and actually fewer than TFA and TLJ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_films#Accolades

ZkinandBonez said:

timdiggerm said:

It is fascinating that, with the exception of 7, you named the episodes that barely, if at all, moved the plot along. My favorites were 1, 3, 7 & 8, so I am…well, like I said, fascinated.

It’s not that weird, is it? Not everyone likes/prefers series to tell one large story, but rather wants mini-adventures with a connecting through-line. This is one of the reasons I enjoyed this show so much as I don’t like the modern Netflix/HBO style of stretching one story into hundreds of hours. I get why some people like it, but to me it just feels like padding. SW shows like the Mandalorian, CW, Rebels, etc. manage to keep my attention much easier because most episodes are (more-or-less) standalone stories, that occasionally continues or adds to a larger narrative. In this sense The Mandalorian was nearly perfectly structured for my preferences (I actually would have liked a few more episodes like 4-6).

Similarly, my favourite episodes were 2 & 6.

That really helped me understand. Clearly, I want the opposite (though honestly, I did really like 2 & 6, it’s just that the overall plot grabs me more). So, the fact that the show manages to hit some notes for both of us is pretty great; they’re striking a good balance.

It is fascinating that, with the exception of 7, you named the episodes that barely, if at all, moved the plot along. My favorites were 1, 3, 7 & 8, so I am…well, like I said, fascinated.

yotsuya said:

I do think there is a point to having a separate topic, at least for now, on the new changes.

Yes. As many changes have been previously found, but they are mixed into other threads, it would be helpful if you went through those threads and collected them here. Thanks in advance!

DrDre said:

Tobar said:

Rumors are starting to circulate about an extended cut being released to theaters toward the end of the month:
THE 192 MINUTE J.J. ABRAMS RISE OF SKYWALKER CUT IS COMING SOONER THAN YOU THINK

It breaks down to this:

• An extended version of The Rise of Skywalker will be announced in the coming week, releasing near the end of January, and including 3-5 additional sequences fit into the narrative. This should bring the cut up from 142 minutes to about 165 minutes.
• Rumored sequences to be included in this cut involve an extended Endor sequence that occurs before the final shot in the current film, Lobot and Lando in a sequence that predates the chase in the desert, and a slew of ghost Jedis returning alongside Luke and Leia and participating in the final sequence to unseat the Emperor.
• This new cut will be simply treated as an Extended Cut, and will include a post-credits sequence highlighting additional sequences that will be released with the official Blu Ray release of The Rise of Skywalker which will have a special J.J. Abrams Director’s Cut version of the film at 185 minutes.
• When The Rise of Skywalker enters the streaming window exclusively on Disney Plus it will include an additional 7 minutes of extra footage that didn’t get finished in post production as a part of its exclusive run on the streaming upstart.

Interesting! Considering that most criticisms were leveled at the fast pacing, and lack of moments of reflection, the extended/director’s cut should make for a better movie.

Notably, the post makes a very time-based prediction

An extended version of The Rise of Skywalker will be announced in the coming week

So, we have a week before we know if this is true?

Right, but having scenes with him before the Queen gets to Tatooine would be strange. And having this kid get involved with Senate negotiations would also be…odd.

OutboundFlight said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

OutboundFlight said:

If this does happen, I wonder what will be considered canon?

Both and neither.

Sounds about right.

Followed by many long posts here explaining why which one is or isn’t in someone’s personal canon

Just because there wasn’t a full-scale war doesn’t mean there weren’t any small wars

DominicCobb said:
Besides the fact that it makes no sense, I like the idea of people who have literally never heard of the Jedi

Why does it make no sense?

Mr. Funny Man said:

he is gonna add ‘The Ghost’ from Rebels in the battle of Endor???

I hope so. Given what he did re: Rebels in ESB:R, it feels possible.

Sometimes it actually is better to tell rather than show.

Sure, which is why the galactic look changing from PT to OT made sense.

mfastx said:

DominicCobb said:

I like the Jedi starfighter designs, but again, why did there have to be a new one in ROTS? It’s sort of indicative of the general problem of the PT designs. More does not equal better.

I liked the one from ROTS, it incorporated some TIE fighter designs (window and interior cockpit) which was cool to see.

The subtle progression towards OT-era tech was cool to see in ROTS.

Right, the idea from a design perspective is clearly a felt-need to drive the look closer to the OT. But would their starfighter design change that dramatically in just a few short years? Does it make sense? Probably not - but the decision was made from the wrong reasons.

Z6PO said:

timdiggerm said:

Broom Kid said:

I doubt even PT fans could name any of Padme’s ships.

There’s the one that looks like a silver bar of soap

And the other one that looks like a silver bar of soap.

You forget, she had three ships. The big pointy one, the big airplane, and the little one.

Exactly! Of the three, the big airplane one is obviously silly, because the AOTC design team had a real thing for airplanes (see: all the propeller planes used in the SFX), so it’s a good thing they blow it up right away. The third one is coolest, because it’s essentially Padme’s Galactic Sports Car, but the first one is appropriate for the entourage it contains. It might even be a little small for the job.

But after a little Wookieepediaing, I have discovered I missed a fourth ship! Unfortunately, it is worse than any of its predecessors, in which the coolness of the third ship has been ruined by attaching the wings of the second ship to its bow.

Broom Kid said:

I doubt even PT fans could name any of Padme’s ships.

There’s the one that looks like a silver bar of soap

And the other one that looks like a silver bar of soap.

You forget, she had three ships. The big pointy one, the big airplane, and the little one.

In the dark

ray_afraid said:

timdiggerm said:

Ever thought about erasing Threepio’s arm that enters the shot at 12:46? It’s an obvious continuity error.

There’s probably several protocol droids in that thing. Doesn’t have to be 3PO.

I would agree except that like two shots later is obviously a continuation of the same shot

It’s a really interesting idea. I don’t know about cutting out his actual attack on the Tuskens and Shmi’s only scene, and obviously there’s problems with Padme’s costume changes…but the kernel of the idea has potential.

Well, and the problem of she clearly doesn’t stay on Tatooine. That too.

Was Vader’s belt altered when he first enters the Tantive? It seemed…odd.

Ever thought about erasing Threepio’s arm that enters the shot at 12:46? It’s an obvious continuity error.

That droid just did a lot to protect the child. That says a lot to Mando.

Many people have said they want to see Star Wars without Jedi, but I have to say that Star Wars where no one knows about Jedi but you have a Jedi baby and you have to ask the most knowledgeable person you know and all are knows is that there are legends of them existing… It’s pretty great. Really looking forward to Mando eventually meeting a CGI de-aged Mark Hammil at the end of the series.