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- #515450
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- The prequels' influence on pop-culture?
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twooffour said:
Haven't seen the movie... is it any good?
:)
No. Read the original comic miniseries instead.
twooffour said:
Haven't seen the movie... is it any good?
:)
No. Read the original comic miniseries instead.
timdiggerm said:
You know who I want to see more of? These guys
Hell yeah! Sate Presage and his cronies are gonna' fuck you up!
twooffour said:
theprequelsrule said:
twooffour said:
theprequelsrule said:
I don't think The Matrix has aged nearly as well as the original Star Wars film. When I saw it in '99 I definitely thought it was an A+, but only a few years later I could not really give it anything better than a solid B. Part of it has to do with my increasing distaste for elaborate and heavily choreographed action sequences.
Well we can disagree on that last one, but I was rather talking about its influence and impact, which I think is safe to say was pretty huge.
It's not a such "clean", all-around paragon of a great action adventure film like Star Wars.
But it's extremely memorable, and has wreaked its fair share of havoc :)I don't think it's long term impact was huge. It's rather forgotten today IMO. For the first 3 to 5 years afterward; yes, it was highly influential.
Well, I can't judge that far, but there was a bullet-time shot in the last Harry Potter movie for example :)
Yuck. But I have something worse; remember the bullet-time shot in Aliens versus Predator?
Shit man, I actually kind of liked kong76. But it was the worst of the three.
I have to believe the new Godzilla will be better than the '98 film.
A Fistful of Dollars is overrated, but Last Man Standing was absolute shit.
twooffour said:
theprequelsrule said:
I don't think The Matrix has aged nearly as well as the original Star Wars film. When I saw it in '99 I definitely thought it was an A+, but only a few years later I could not really give it anything better than a solid B. Part of it has to do with my increasing distaste for elaborate and heavily choreographed action sequences.
Well we can disagree on that last one, but I was rather talking about its influence and impact, which I think is safe to say was pretty huge.
It's not a such "clean", all-around paragon of a great action adventure film like Star Wars.
But it's extremely memorable, and has wreaked its fair share of havoc :)
I don't think it's long term impact was huge. It's rather forgotten today IMO. For the first 3 to 5 years afterward; yes, it was highly influential.
I don't think The Matrix has aged nearly as well as the original Star Wars film. When I saw it in '99 I definitely thought it was an A+, but only a few years later I could not really give it anything better than a solid B. Part of it has to do with my increasing distaste for elaborate and heavily choreographed action sequences.
The original Halloween. The entire movie sustains a great aura of dread and tension. Come to think of it, so do the first two Alien films. I was quite scared watching Aliens at age 11 on City TV back in 1988.
The Tarzan film Greystoke. Those apes scared the shit out of me. My mom relates a funny story of taking me to see that film when I was 6, and then being scolded harshly on the way home by me for taking a child to such a frightening film!
Bingowings said:
Threads (1984).
Agreed.
The prequels are symbolic of our culture's percieved inability to produce anything even as simple as basic entertainment (forget about actual art).
I mean, that was the real failure of TPM; it wasn't even all that much fun.
I prefer my Star Wars more like, um, Star Wars rather than ESB. I thought George could make a movie that was at least...
Ah, fuck it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
True Star Wars fans don't give a shit about minor characters. Except for the Emperor's Royal Guard. Those guys kick ass. Except in ROTS. Fuck, this thread is making me think about the prequels! I hate that.
The prequels were supposed to be about Obi-Wan, and how his hubris brought about the Fall of the Republic and the deaths of his brothers in arms.
Instead they were about a whiny sissy-boy who was tricked into turning evil and then just embraced it for no apparent reason.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Harmy said:
Here are the barcode covers:
Please don't ask me for links to the full res versions, DJ wishes to distribute them only with the set and I fully respect that.
Pawesomeness! Hell, I will buy the empty cases for my GOUT! I will buy them right now!
zombie84 said:
Forgive? I don't know if I would "forgive" anything. This type of thinking seems foreign to me, like Lucas is some dysfunctional family member that we have to come to terms with. He is an artist and a custodian of national treasures and he gets judged the same way anyone else in his position would be. Did people "forgive" Ted Turner because he released the black and white versions of his colourized films again? I doubt people think about it in those terms, but I'm sure they are greatful he did so. I am also sure they still dislike the fact that he had the nerve to colourize them in the first place.
The OT SE would still represent a butchering of a classic. People have the right, and are right, to complain about the sheer existance of this.
Lucas would have still repressed the OT for well over a decade and impeded a lot of people' enjoyment of their art and culture, as well as sullying the memory of those films. This should not be forgotten, as though it didn't happen.
Lucas has more to attone for his actions rather than "I'm sorry." In fact, restoring the OOT wouldn't even be saying I'm sorry. Lucas would never say or feel such a thing. IMO all it would be was, "here you go, please get off my back now," even if this seems like a cynical perspective of mine.
Would the resentment die down? Of course. But in the larger picture, Lucas cannot undo his actions and change his past. He can lessen how harsh history will judge him, but what is done is done and that fact alone is not worth forgetting. Everyone has to live with the actions they take, even if they redress them later.
Jebsus Zombie, you're in a mood today.
zombie84 said:
As far as it being a "pile of silly fun," yes, I think many fans of TPM would say that TPM shares this quality with MIB. I think that is also one of the greatest attributes of the original Star Wars film--like Independenec Day or Men In Black, it doesn't take itself very seriously, has good characters and good natured humour, excellent special effects and action scenes, and you feel good at the end of the picture. Which is a point you continue to miss. He didn't compare it to MIB in a general sense, but specifically in these qualities.
I think there was a certain meaning, a degree of Truth (yes, capital "T"), that was present in Star Wars 1977 that puts it in a different category than MIB and ID4. This never got in the way of the fun of course.
I've said this before in another thread, but SW77 defies easy categorization. It is sort of it's own genre.
ferris209 said:
You, obviously, have not tried Texas beer.
I don't trust any beer made in warm climates. Yeah, I know it can snow in Texas on occasion.
I'm gone for the long weekend, so an early Happy Canada Day to my fellow Canucks! None of us should be drinking any American Beer (aka: "piss") this weekend.
TV's Frink said:
^I agree...except for the wacky "BOING" when he drops the tool on his foot. :-/
1990s/21st Century Lucas always ruins his own good ideas.
144 pages of this? When we know we aren't getting what we want?
Dark times friends, dark times.
doubleofive said:
Watto, yes, best part of the prequels!
Not that I'm biased.
The actor who played him (too lazy to look it up) did a good job. I really liked the short scene in AOTC when he meets Anakin after 10 years; sometimes it seems that there was more emotion in the dialogue from Watto in that one scene than in the rest of the PT combined.
TV's Frink said:
*speechless*
You are sending me into a shame spiral.
I hate to admit this, especially since it is a prequel era thing, but especially since it is so nerdy...
(takes a deep breath)
...I like the notion of different lightsabre styles.
Now awaiting sarcastic comment from Frink.
I am ashamed to admit, but I talked myself into thinking they were decent films until around 2006. My true contempt for them really came about as a result of the Red Letter Media TPM review.
- Padme's skanky wardrobe in AOTC
- Darth Maul
- both TPM lightsabre duels (I thought they did have some emotional content)
- Watto
- (occasionally) Ewan MacGregor's portrayal of Obi Wan
- the sound effect of those mines that Slave-1 dropped during the battle in the asteroids in AOTC
danny_boy said:
theprequelsrule said:
danny_boy said:
If you want to enjoy the original film in all it's analogue glory-
Just stick in your original 1982/83 pan and scan VHS or laserdisc.
At least it is a transfer of the original film before it underwent digital manipulation/restoration.
It has the original 35mm stereo audio track(long before it too was digitized and THXed in subsequent video releases)
And sure the picture is not accurate with regards to color reproduction and image resolution of the cinematic prints BUT the actual tape/laserdisc is from the era that the original Star Wars was last screened theatrically(1982)----hence it has a lot of nostalgic value---and once you start watching you tend not to pay too much attention to the picture/sound quality anyway.
You just enjoy the story and the characters----just like you did when you were in the theater.
On edit_
Ironically due to it's bright color timing-that original 1982 VHS has detail which is not apparent in the 2004 DVD(because it so dark)----it actually allows you to enjoy the film even more.
You know, I agree with this.
Cheers--if I had to make an analogy---in order to enjoy a film's cultural /contemporary aesthetic value----- it would be akin to watching my 2010 2D Avatar blu Ray disc in 2030!----
instead of watching it on my 8/16K playback system that will probably exist at that point in time!(Sharp and Japan's NHK already have a working TV prototype!)
You can't go home again.
Bingowings said:
The other carried over characters are running on fumes in ROTJ.
I agree. This is the main problem of ROTJ, and not the Ewoks.