theprequelsrule

DuracellEnergizer said:

screams in the void said:

Dark Empire 2 and Empires End sucked in my opinion though, so just the original Dark Empire for me thank you.

I think they could be salvaged, but it would require a fair bit of rewriting. Ditching Palpatine and making the Dark Side Elite the main villains would be great for starters.

I only read those recently. Yikes. WTF happened for it to go off the rails like that?! The Galaxy Gun?!!?

DuracellEnergizer said:

theprequelsrule said:

Fantastic stuff, and it reminds me of why I liked DE so much. ! Young Han and Leia fighting together! Leia using the Force in a non-stupid way. A great design aesthetic too - really Star Warsy.

But it undermines ROTJ. And ROTS. Which is entirely bad, except when Disney does it.

Somewhat, but for me ROTJ was about the redemption of Vader and Luke becoming a Jedi, so DE does not completely undermine it. Now if you add in the PT nonsense about prophecies, the Chosen One, bringing balance to the force and all that garbage then, yes if does undermine ROTJ.

Wow! I need to change underwear!

Mira from the videogame KOTOR 2. From slave to Bounty Hunter to Jedi. And the coolest Jedi - The Gunslinger

DominicCobb said:

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

theprequelsrule said:

I was surprised by how little I hated this film. Not a great film by any means, but it was refreshing to have a star wars film in which the main protagonist was male

Not enough of those, huh

None that are admirable characters since '83.

So you don’t think the prequels rule?

Correct.

In terms of coolness I always thought the Mandalorians have nothing on The Emperor’s Royal Guard, but the seedy side of Star Wars has always interested me so I am willing to give this a shot. Hope Nar Shadda is visited at some point.

Fantastic stuff, and it reminds me of why I liked DE so much. ! Young Han and Leia fighting together! Leia using the Force in a non-stupid way. A great design aesthetic too - really Star Warsy.

I am not ashamed to admit this brought a tear to my eye.

DominicCobb said:

theprequelsrule said:

I was surprised by how little I hated this film. Not a great film by any means, but it was refreshing to have a star wars film in which the main protagonist was male

Not enough of those, huh

None that are admirable characters since '83.

I was surprised by how little I hated this film. Not a great film by any means, but it was refreshing to have a star wars film in which the main protagonist was male and was not a force user. It also dealt with one of my favourite areas of the SWU - the criminal underworld.

Of course it was full of absolutely terrible ideas and scenes (this is Post-83 Star Wars afterall). The worst offenders:

-Han speaking wookie
-Lando’s droid; perhaps the worst character ever in a Star Wars film
-Darth Maul still being alive
-those stupid pirates led by that stupid girl

Actually writing about those things is making me dislike the movie more so I’m going to stop now.

TavorX said:

Waiting for price drops for a video game is a general good rule of thumb. Waited two years until I got Battlefront II for like under $5 I think.

I always, always, always wait many months to buy games now - after the DLC has all come out and the game has been patched. One of the benefits of age is that time moves more quickly - if I was still 16 it would probably be tough to wait.

The TIE Bomber in the Death Star hanger at the beginning of ROTJ.

Tobar’s avatar is mind-blowingly awesome.

SilverWook said:

We got Ben and Yoda as senior citizens. 😉

Fine, fine, you got me there.

AveKender said:

theprequelsrule said:
Have you never run through alternatives to the Alien 3 film we got and said, “Man, that would have been so much better!”?

Yes. I daydream in this manner frequently regarding movies that did not quite do it for me. In my version of Alien 3, Ripley would have birthed the xenomorph about a third of the way through the film and the Alien would turn out to be a benevolent protector of Newt and Hicks. It might be too “out there” for a lot of people, but at least it would be something new: a heroic Alien.

That is just so weird, it might actually work. Or be absolutely terrible.

A film about the Emperor’s Royal Guard would be interesting. The Crimson Empire comic was about this. It was a mixed bag, but I like the idea in general.

ray_afraid said:

Ryan said:

she didn’t look like an old lady Leia that I would have wanted to see.

And I’m sure you won’t look like an old man that anybody wants to see.
Attacking someone because of their looks is beyond low. Stop.

I agree with both of you. You should not attack someone because of their looks, but I have no interest in seeing Luke, Han and Leia as senior citizens. If only we could have gotten a ST 25 years ago…

The OT is just on another level for me than the rest of these films. I can’t be quite sure why. It’s almost as if the OT was made by young and inspired, visionary directors, writers, editors etc. and the others either by an isolated out of touch billionaire or a massive corporation.

TV’s Frink said:

Valheru_84 said:

Update on my ranking post TLJ viewing:

1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
2. TFA (theatrical, likely to be replaced by Hal’s fanedit)
3. R1 (theatrical)
4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
7. TLJ

.Val

I continue to be amazed that some people HATED this movie so much that they could actually put it last, behind three terribly made movies.

The main OT actors were not in the prequels, so the prequels really couldn’t hurt them. They are in the ST however. So if you really don’t like how the ST portrays them, then I think you can understand where the hate comes from.

What if after the astral projection scene, we cut to Luke on ahchoo. He stands up with a little smile, his lightsaber flies to his hand and he puts it on his belt. He walks out and raises his X-wing from the water - time to join the fight. Would anyone have been opposed to this?

TV’s Frink said:

liamnotneeson said:

Leia flying was gay

What is it about this thread that brings out crap like this.

liamnotneeson: using gay in a derogatory sense is not cool in the modern world. Please edit.

liamnotneeson said:

theprequelsrule said:

After seeing a bad Star wars movie this always calms me down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBrLHMCTDAA

implying TLJ was a bad Star Wars movie

Also, I’m glad they edited that out in the Special Edition. I cringed watching it

No. I have not seen it yet. Probably never will. But whenever you watch a Star Wars movie you don’t like just watch the Ewok Celebration.

Unless you don’t like ROTJ. Then watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH6a1iYQ0GA

ChainsawAsh said:

Oh man, no way is the Clone Wars TV series worse than the prequels. Certain arcs and the 2008 movie, sure, but on the whole it was way better than the prequels themselves. The Umbara and final Mandalore arc are both up there with the OT in my mind.

Clone Wars was often very Star Warsy. I was sad to see it go.

Jar Jar was pretty good in it for Christ’s sake. That was an amazing achievement.

After seeing a bad Star wars movie this always calms me down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBrLHMCTDAA

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ah, one of the “TFA was unoriginal and TLJ was too original” reviews. Lol.

Don’t know if this was directed at a specific review, or the more critical reviews in general? In the latter case I think it misrepresents many of the criticism against TLJ:

• Rey’s fast progression from junk dealer to Jedi is not a matter of originality, but consistency. There can’t be more than a few days to a few weeks between the start of TFA and the ending of TLJ. As a matter of fact TLJ takes place over a matter of hours, considering the whole out of fuel plot. In that time Rey is given a highly condensed version of Luke’s arc over two films, starting on a backwater planet to learn the ways of the Force, and ending up in the big bad’s throne room, and finally as the last Jedi. The problem here of course is, that she hardly recieves any training, and ultimately isn’t really tested or suffers any serious setbacks. She crawls through a river of **** and comes out clean at the end, apparently greater and wiser than Luke Skywalker himself, making the old Jedi Master redundant to the point, that he can die at peace mirroring Yoda’s death in ROTJ.

• While Snoke’s death was shocking, and overall reasonably well executed, he’s reduced to a plot device, because his character hasn’t been properly set up, or his history and motivations explained. His function seems merely to prop up Kylo Ren, who after being deflated at the end of TFA, now is reinvented as the big bad of the ST, but without the necessary development and character growth. This criticism again is not a matter of originality, but story and character development.

• The criticism against the representation of Luke Skywalker is also one of consistency, particulary the idea that Luke would contemplate the murder of his nephew. This 180 degree turn in his character is severely underdeveloped, and only explained in a single scene in which he reads his nephew’s mind realizing Snoke had already won Ben’s heart. This also comes back to the complete lack of developement of Snoke, and the history between Snoke and Kylo. We’re now supposed to believe, that Luke who refused to kill his father and accept he was lost to the dark side, knowing all the terrible things his father had done under the guise of Darth Vader, now gives up on his young nephew based on a vision of the future, a future he knows to allways be in motion. This scene might have worked, if we had learned a bit more about Luke’s psychological state post-ROTJ. He could have told Rey, that his father’s death, and learning about the true magnitude of Vader’s crimes had left him emotionally scarred, and he grew obsessed with preventing the birth of another Darth Vader. He’d found the strength to forgive his father, but the price of his father’s redemption had been too great for the galaxy. If the whole Jedi order couldn’t prevent his father’s turn, how could he by himself create a new and stable Jedi order? So, against Yoda’s council, for years he had refused to train a new generation of Jedi, to pass on what he had learned, until young Ben was born, and against his better judgement decided to mentor Ben and a few other students. He wasn’t ready to be a teacher, and young Ben sensed Luke’s trepidation, blaming himself. Snoke ceased the opportunity to corrupt the insecure and impressionable Ben, leading to the scene in the film.

These are just three of many criticisms against the film, that mostly relate to lack of story and character development, and/or consistency. The shocks and twists are fine, but without the necessary backbone of story and character end up being hollow and superficial. This is all just my opinion of course, but as I stated before it’s not the originality of RJ’s approach that I dislike, but the condensation of plot and character, that makes the story feel rushed and shallow.

Bullseye. Great post.

adywan said:

theprequelsrule said:

adywan said:

theprequelsrule said:

For those who are conflicted over TLJ, I recommend playing the game Kotor2 (with the restoration mods of course). The latter shows you how to challenge and subvert Star Wars while still being respectful of the source material. Just an awesome game/experience.

I hope the moderators are okay with me posting this here.

But isn’t that game set a long time before the prequels? so it doesn’t have anything it needs to follow and nobody we know from the films even in it. So no built up expectation in out minds or in the books people have read as to what a certain character should be.

Exactly so. Which is why it works.

But how can that even be a way to show how you should do a so called respectful version of the ST when it doesn’t even have to follow anything that came before it? It can’t.

A respectful way of subverting Star Wars…not a respectful version of the ST. To subvert Star Wars using the OT characters is disrespectful. Han Solo had completed his arc in the OT…but he reverts in TFA to being “solo” again.