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#1148538
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The Sequel Trilogy we wanted...
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AveKender said:

theprequelsrule said:
Have you never run through alternatives to the Alien 3 film we got and said, “Man, that would have been so much better!”?

Yes. I daydream in this manner frequently regarding movies that did not quite do it for me. In my version of Alien 3, Ripley would have birthed the xenomorph about a third of the way through the film and the Alien would turn out to be a benevolent protector of Newt and Hicks. It might be too “out there” for a lot of people, but at least it would be something new: a heroic Alien.

That is just so weird, it might actually work. Or be absolutely terrible.

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#1148536
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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ray_afraid said:

Ryan said:

she didn’t look like an old lady Leia that I would have wanted to see.

And I’m sure you won’t look like an old man that anybody wants to see.
Attacking someone because of their looks is beyond low. Stop.

I agree with both of you. You should not attack someone because of their looks, but I have no interest in seeing Luke, Han and Leia as senior citizens. If only we could have gotten a ST 25 years ago…

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#1145806
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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TV’s Frink said:

Valheru_84 said:

Update on my ranking post TLJ viewing:

  1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
  2. TFA (theatrical, likely to be replaced by Hal’s fanedit)
  3. R1 (theatrical)
  4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
  5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  7. TLJ

.Val

I continue to be amazed that some people HATED this movie so much that they could actually put it last, behind three terribly made movies.

The main OT actors were not in the prequels, so the prequels really couldn’t hurt them. They are in the ST however. So if you really don’t like how the ST portrays them, then I think you can understand where the hate comes from.

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#1145791
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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liamnotneeson said:

theprequelsrule said:

After seeing a bad Star wars movie this always calms me down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBrLHMCTDAA

implying TLJ was a bad Star Wars movie

Also, I’m glad they edited that out in the Special Edition. I cringed watching it

No. I have not seen it yet. Probably never will. But whenever you watch a Star Wars movie you don’t like just watch the Ewok Celebration.

Unless you don’t like ROTJ. Then watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH6a1iYQ0GA

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#1145789
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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ChainsawAsh said:

Oh man, no way is the Clone Wars TV series worse than the prequels. Certain arcs and the 2008 movie, sure, but on the whole it was way better than the prequels themselves. The Umbara and final Mandalore arc are both up there with the OT in my mind.

Clone Wars was often very Star Warsy. I was sad to see it go.

Jar Jar was pretty good in it for Christ’s sake. That was an amazing achievement.

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#1145748
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ah, one of the “TFA was unoriginal and TLJ was too original” reviews. Lol.

Don’t know if this was directed at a specific review, or the more critical reviews in general? In the latter case I think it misrepresents many of the criticism against TLJ:

  • Rey’s fast progression from junk dealer to Jedi is not a matter of originality, but consistency. There can’t be more than a few days to a few weeks between the start of TFA and the ending of TLJ. As a matter of fact TLJ takes place over a matter of hours, considering the whole out of fuel plot. In that time Rey is given a highly condensed version of Luke’s arc over two films, starting on a backwater planet to learn the ways of the Force, and ending up in the big bad’s throne room, and finally as the last Jedi. The problem here of course is, that she hardly recieves any training, and ultimately isn’t really tested or suffers any serious setbacks. She crawls through a river of **** and comes out clean at the end, apparently greater and wiser than Luke Skywalker himself, making the old Jedi Master redundant to the point, that he can die at peace mirroring Yoda’s death in ROTJ.

  • While Snoke’s death was shocking, and overall reasonably well executed, he’s reduced to a plot device, because his character hasn’t been properly set up, or his history and motivations explained. His function seems merely to prop up Kylo Ren, who after being deflated at the end of TFA, now is reinvented as the big bad of the ST, but without the necessary development and character growth. This criticism again is not a matter of originality, but story and character development.

  • The criticism against the representation of Luke Skywalker is also one of consistency, particulary the idea that Luke would contemplate the murder of his nephew. This 180 degree turn in his character is severely underdeveloped, and only explained in a single scene in which he reads his nephew’s mind realizing Snoke had already won Ben’s heart. This also comes back to the complete lack of developement of Snoke, and the history between Snoke and Kylo. We’re now supposed to believe, that Luke who refused to kill his father and accept he was lost to the dark side, knowing all the terrible things his father had done under the guise of Darth Vader, now gives up on his young nephew based on a vision of the future, a future he knows to allways be in motion. This scene might have worked, if we had learned a bit more about Luke’s psychological state post-ROTJ. He could have told Rey, that his father’s death, and learning about the true magnitude of Vader’s crimes had left him emotionally scarred, and he grew obsessed with preventing the birth of another Darth Vader. He’d found the strength to forgive his father, but the price of his father’s redemption had been too great for the galaxy. If the whole Jedi order couldn’t prevent his father’s turn, how could he by himself create a new and stable Jedi order? So, against Yoda’s council, for years he had refused to train a new generation of Jedi, to pass on what he had learned, until young Ben was born, and against his better judgement decided to mentor Ben and a few other students. He wasn’t ready to be a teacher, and young Ben sensed Luke’s trepidation, blaming himself. Snoke ceased the opportunity to corrupt the insecure and impressionable Ben, leading to the scene in the film.

These are just three of many criticisms against the film, that mostly relate to lack of story and character development, and/or consistency. The shocks and twists are fine, but without the necessary backbone of story and character end up being hollow and superficial. This is all just my opinion of course, but as I stated before it’s not the originality of RJ’s approach that I dislike, but the condensation of plot and character, that makes the story feel rushed and shallow.

Bullseye. Great post.

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#1145710
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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adywan said:

theprequelsrule said:

adywan said:

theprequelsrule said:

For those who are conflicted over TLJ, I recommend playing the game Kotor2 (with the restoration mods of course). The latter shows you how to challenge and subvert Star Wars while still being respectful of the source material. Just an awesome game/experience.

I hope the moderators are okay with me posting this here.

But isn’t that game set a long time before the prequels? so it doesn’t have anything it needs to follow and nobody we know from the films even in it. So no built up expectation in out minds or in the books people have read as to what a certain character should be.

Exactly so. Which is why it works.

But how can that even be a way to show how you should do a so called respectful version of the ST when it doesn’t even have to follow anything that came before it? It can’t.

A respectful way of subverting Star Wars…not a respectful version of the ST. To subvert Star Wars using the OT characters is disrespectful. Han Solo had completed his arc in the OT…but he reverts in TFA to being “solo” again.

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#1145693
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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adywan said:

theprequelsrule said:

For those who are conflicted over TLJ, I recommend playing the game Kotor2 (with the restoration mods of course). The latter shows you how to challenge and subvert Star Wars while still being respectful of the source material. Just an awesome game/experience.

I hope the moderators are okay with me posting this here.

But isn’t that game set a long time before the prequels? so it doesn’t have anything it needs to follow and nobody we know from the films even in it. So no built up expectation in out minds or in the books people have read as to what a certain character should be.

Exactly so. Which is why it works.

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#1145660
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

Return of the Jedi: 9/10

Ford and Fisher mail in their performances.

Kinda, yeah, but shouldn’t a bad performance by two of the three leads result in something less than a 9/10?

A fair point. My response is that because the film focused on Luke more than the others, their performances did not hurt as much as they might have. Plus, awesome space battle at the end!!!

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#1145657
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The Sequel Trilogy we wanted...
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yhwx said:

theprequelsrule said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

theprequelsrule said:

yhwx said:

theprequelsrule said:

In an ideal world, George Lucas would have kept directing and writing films, keeping his craft sharp.

Yeah… that didn’t really work out.

I suspect something else: without him, there will be no more great Star Wars films.

There’s been two since he stepped down.

Which ones?

The two that have been made so far.

I don’t know if I’d go so far as to call them great, but not sure why you feel the need to ask that question.

There’s been three good movies.

So that means you liked Rogue One I guess?

I did. I don’t get all the hate around it.

Me neither. But I did not like it. I rented it (!) from my local video store and fast forwarded through the last third. The Vader sequence at the end seemed like the biggest, cheesiest piece of fan service ever.

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#1145652
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The Sequel Trilogy we wanted...
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TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

…can never happen.

We who?

Myself for sure, but I think others too. Maybe even you?

So how about it? Do you prefer the scenario I postulated or the present condition of Star Wars?

I’ll be honest I didn’t read past the part I quoted because I’m lazy. But I like the ST so far, so I guess not for me.

Oh. Maybe read it all and let us discuss in a respectfull manner?

I thought you claimed to remember me.

I do. Irreverent at times, but usually respectful!

But you have not addressed my scenario. Would you have liked to seen movies about Luke and Leia rebuilding the galaxy or do you prefer what we are given in the ST?

That’s not answerable because you’re asking me to compare a hypothetical set of movies to one that already exists.

Hmm. I think it is. I liked TFA, but would definitely have preferred a screen adaption (or HBO adaption) of Heir to The Empire. Have you never run through alternatives to the Alien 3 film we got and said, “Man, that would have been so much better!”?

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#1145645
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The Sequel Trilogy we wanted...
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yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

theprequelsrule said:

yhwx said:

theprequelsrule said:

In an ideal world, George Lucas would have kept directing and writing films, keeping his craft sharp.

Yeah… that didn’t really work out.

I suspect something else: without him, there will be no more great Star Wars films.

There’s been two since he stepped down.

Which ones?

The two that have been made so far.

I don’t know if I’d go so far as to call them great, but not sure why you feel the need to ask that question.

There’s been three good movies.

So that means you liked Rogue One I guess?

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#1145640
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The Sequel Trilogy we wanted...
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TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

…can never happen.

We who?

Myself for sure, but I think others too. Maybe even you?

So how about it? Do you prefer the scenario I postulated or the present condition of Star Wars?

I’ll be honest I didn’t read past the part I quoted because I’m lazy. But I like the ST so far, so I guess not for me.

Oh. Maybe read it all and let us discuss in a respectfull manner?

I thought you claimed to remember me.

I do. Irreverent at times, but usually respectful!

But you have not addressed my scenario. Would you have liked to seen movies about Luke and Leia rebuilding the galaxy or do you prefer what we are given in the ST?