Just when I thought I had the hang of this, I get thrown another curve ball. So one has changes and the other one doesn’t? I thought it was just size difference or quality in picture
the changes are mostly just aesthetic, and won’t be apparent if you’re watching it on DVD.
Does anyone know the difference between the 12 parts of ESB and the Barebones 4 parts? I’m not sure which one I should be getting
Barebones is the DVD version. I think “Barbones” refers to the DVD menu, not the film itself. which is the same.
It was made from the 720p original release so I believe any changes made int he 1080p aren’t in the Barebones version.
This thread feels like an elaborate troll…
Well I can close it if it leads to this kind of debates.
I’m sure no one wants this thread closed, we’re just curious as to which sources you have used and the reasoning for some of your workflow choices. You say you haven’t used any of the TN1 scans, in that case which 35mm scans have you used? Is it all 35mm based? As Adywan has noted the resolution of a 35mm release print is somewhere within the 720p-1080p range, so the decision to issue a 480p release is a bit confusing.
Ok, I understand. there was a long and heated debate about this at thestarwarstrilogy forums.
I really hope your not feeling to bad about all this. You just misunderstood things that’s all. We explained things to you, and to your credit your accepted it. It’s not a debate or an argument. It was just a mistake.
Keep on trying and you’ll get better.
Thank you for your kind words. I really did regret ever announcing this until I noticed that the people at thestarwarstrilogy.com are not trying to be mean and then I noticed your newest message. Your words convinced me to not close this thread.
No one’s trying to be mean. they may seem like that, but it’s just that there very passionate, as I’m sure you are.
This thread feels like an elaborate troll…
Well I can close it if it leads to this kind of debates.
I’m sure no one wants this thread closed, we’re just curious as to which sources you have used and the reasoning for some of your workflow choices. You say you haven’t used any of the TN1 scans, in that case which 35mm scans have you used? Is it all 35mm based? As Adywan has noted the resolution of a 35mm release print is somewhere within the 720p-1080p range, so the decision to issue a 480p release is a bit confusing.
Ok, I understand. there was a long and heated debate about this at thestarwarstrilogy forums.
I really hope your not feeling to bad about all this. You just misunderstood things that’s all. We explained things to you, and to your credit your accepted it. It’s not a debate or an argument. It was just a mistake.
Keep on trying and you’ll get better.
I’d have to dig out all my detailed notes and outlines ( if i even still have them) but here is the gist of what i was planning (although this is all from memory and it was long time ago, so will be pretty rough):
TPM: There was going to be no “trade blockade” or “negotiations” but it would start with the invasion of Naboo. The Gungans would be clone batches and the trade federation (as they are in the original but may have been named differently, i can’t remember) were after cloning tech as this is something the galaxy has not been able to master. Their claim was that they had negotiated a deal for the tech but that the Gungans has reneged on the deal. We find out that it was Jar Jar that made the deal without authorisation and this was why he was ostracised from the city. Many of the Naboo council consider the Gungans to be a lower life form and demand that Amidala just hand them over to the federation, but she refuses. This angers the federation and they head to invade the city. Amidala send a distress signal to senator palpatine and the Jedi are sent to Naboo. On the federation ship we see the nemoidians receive a holo message from a hooded figure. It looks like the emperor we all know, so its not obvious from the start that its actually palpatine ( god i hated how dumb that bit was). This is palpatines true form but we don’t know that until the 3rd film. He informs them that the Jedi are on their was and to make sure they never reach the planet. As the Jedi ship approaches, the federation opens fire and the Jedi cruiser takes heavy damage. Escape pods are deployed and most are destroyed before they can reach safety, apart from 2 that reach the planet - Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan. They meet up with Jar Jar who is less irritating in this version and doesn’t speak like an idiot with all the “exsqueeze me” type crap. Things pretty much go as original from here for a while, but with alterations. Getting to tatooine, anakin does NOT create 3P0. 3P0 is Amidalas personal droid throughout, fully golden from the start. The pod race would be shorter, intercut with the invasion and other things plus more of Maul searching for the group. Obi-Wan wouldn’t be an asshole who looks down on others as he does in the original. And Midichlorians wouldn’t exist. The end battle would have had Anakin deliberately disobey Qui-Gon and join the space battle and not some stupid accident. he would get an idea on how to destroy the ship by flying into one of its hangar bays as this was less protected or something like that and flys inside taking shots as he goes. Obi_wan doesn’t fall down the shaft and make that ridiculous jump and flip over Maul. At the end Boss Nass agrees that their cloning tech should not be kept on Naboo and would be better in the hands of the republic. Oh, and no space jesus in this one. Shmii is just silent about the father
AOTC: Can’t remember a lot about this one but Anakin is less of a whiney and creepy little bitch in this version. With the ongoing threat from the federation, a clone army has been ordered by the Republic using the Gungan tech, but Padme, now a senator, along with others in the senate disagree with it as they had agreed that they were only going to be the guardians of this tech. So there is no more stupid plot of the Jedi suddenly being ok with this secret clone army yet they have no idea who created it and what for. The assassination attempts on padme still happen and anakin is instructed to take her to somewhere out the way but she demands that she return to Naboo. Anakin still had the force dream about his mother being in pain, but his understanding is that the jedi freed her from slavery. His discovery that they hadn’t and that they had lied to him begins his turn to the dark side and distrust of the Jedi. He also would not inform Padme of his slaughter of the Tuskens. So she doesn’t know that he’s a psycho nutcase, yet still want to be with him, which diminishes her character. There would be no Boba Fett as a kid in this. Obi_wan would be sent to check on the progress of the clone army. They wouldn’t all be clones of Jango, but of a handful of Mandalorian warriors, who remain on Kamino to train the clones. Geonosis would be the discovery that the federation were amassing a droid army to attack the republic. Yoda wouldn’t use a lightsabre in the duel against Dooku.
ROTS: Same opening as original. Obi_wan and the Jedi council have begun the be suspicious of Anakin after hearing of things he had done during the clone wars. They know all about him an Padme but are saying nothing, but are keeping a close eye on him. This film would now be set a decade after AOTC. Anakin would NOT be named as Darth Vader. Grevious would sound nothing like Dracula with a bad cough in this either. There would also be no “dreams” of Padme dying. palpatine is sowing the seeds of doubt in Anakin about the Jedi as in the original. Obi_wan finds grevious and confronts him where he discovers that Palpatine is the Sith Lord and contacts the council. Mace goes to confront Palpatine to discover if Grevious was telling the truth or misleading Obi-Wan. After he leaves Anakin finds out what he is doing and goes after him as his mistrust with the Jedi has deepened. Mace alone confronts Palpatine in his office, who was viewing tech graphics of an armoured suit (Vader’s), where he reveals his true form to Windu and battle commences. Anakin arrives just as Mace defeats Palpatine and stands above him as he lays on the ground. Palpatine now is fully in his true form and claims that Windu had disfigured him. Mace’s willingness to kill Palpatine instead of putting him on trial is what finally turns Anakin against the Jedi and, as Mace raises his saber to slay Palpatine, Anakin lashes out with the force as pushes him far out the window. No force lighting and melting Palpatine. Palpatine talks about how the jedi want to take over the republic and they have been deliberately allowing the war to continue, but that Anakin could end the war if he was willing to go against the Jedi. He tells him he has learned the location of the leaders of the federation/ separatists and that he needs to do what must be done; assassinate them all, to bring an end to the war. That how the jedi wiped out all of the Sith because they didn’t believe that only the Jedi should be allowed toi master the force. Anakin head to Mustafar. When Obi-Wan returns to Coruscant he learns of the death of Mace. Yoda has received a holo message from palpatine informing them what anakin had done and that he had learned that anakin was a sith apprentice who knew who the sith lord was and he had killed Mace when he tried to arrest him, but doesn’t know where he had gone Yoda shows Obi-Wan altered footage of the moment Anakin kills mace. They must stop anakin but Obi-Wan struggles to believe it. He reaches out to padme who he knows anakin would have told her where he was going. Continue like the original with obi-wan hiding in the ship and when he confronts Anakin. Cut back to Palpatine in his office and one of his aides informs him that Anakin is in danger, but he shrugs it off saying something like " I have forseen skywalkers demise. It is of no concern. Soon i shall have a new apprentice. One far more powerful than young Skywalker could have ever been. Prepare my shuttle. We shall go to Mustafar to discover Skywalkers fate."
Kenobi leaves Anakin as he burns of the lava shore as Palpatines shuttle arrives. We don’t see him claw his way up, but instead believe him to be dead. He meets up with Yoda on the medical asteroid. he informs him that Anakin is dead. Yoda explains that he senses the dark side descending across the galaxy and that something terrible is coming their way. Padme is injured but doesn’t die. Yoda realises that if the sith discover that the babies survived that they would hunt them down. Can’t remember what i had planned for in-between this bit and the next. Some time later Palpatine is in his office and an ominous voice can be heard off camera…“what is thy bidding, my master”. We see that large dark figure emerge. " Ah, my new apprentice…" This is Vader’s introduction. We don’t know this is Anakin (especially when there’d been so many other sith apprentices suddenly pop up from nowhere). Palpatine begins order 66. Palpatine then addresses the senate and informs them of the Jedi plot to overthrown the Republic, while it intercuts with scenes of the clones turning on the jedi then we see darth Vader emerging at the jedi temple, slaughtering jedi, but no younglings. Yoda and Obi-wan return to find the jedi temple ablaze and the jedi slaughtered. They see security footage of Vader killing the Jedi. Can’t remember how i ended everything or what happened after this. But Padme was alive and the twins were split up, but not named
it was going to take a lot of time and funds to achieve this. With the AI tech available today and it could more easily be pulled off. But , with the amount of time left needed to complete the OT Revisited saga, and i’m almost 60 now, i just don’t think my heart would have been in it, especially when i just can’t even bear to watch the prequels any more. I spent years planning all of this out. It would have kept the “Vader Father” reveal intact. And anyone saying that this would be a waste of time because “everyone knows who vader is” are completely discounting new generations that will discover these films and would probably watch then in episodic order. Even now there are those that don’t know that identity of Vader. My Grandson knew who vader was but had no idea he was Luke’s father until he watched Empire, so there is a good argument to keep that reveal intact.
Great to take a trip into your incredible mind ady. some great ideas here.
I’m back 😃
Feeling much better now ( well , apart from the past week where i’ve been laid up in bed with a nasty gastric virus.) Thanks to everyone for the well wishes.
I’m back working on ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD. Getting a long quite nicely with the grading for ROTJ. I’ve juct completed the section where Leia meets Wicket, so that will give you some idea where i have got up to with that. It still shocks me just how dull and lifeless the 2020 blu-ray is. And it really has some shocking sections where the image has been completely bleached out, either with the colour grading that’s seemed to somehow remove most of the blues of the film or the fact that the grader decided that he would brighten the image up so much that it would blow out all the details, or just using crappy power windows to brighten sections of the image and losing all contrast.
Anyway, this is just a short one today. I will be posting a clip showing a new section of ROTJ:R’s colour grading later in the week, but for now here are some screenshots:
Absolutely amazing!
Im glad you’re feeling better ady!
Alright It’s done and uploaded to google drive.
Its about 50gb so if you want it please shoot me a pm.
I might encode a smaller file later though, if people want that.
EDIT:
Release details:
File Size: 50GB.
1080x1920
File host: Google Drive. please message me for the link(s) (PM ONLY)
Smaller encode:
File size: 15GB
1080x1920
File host: Mega, please message me for the link(s) (PM ONLY)
This thread feels like an elaborate troll…
Well I can close it if it leads to this kind of debates.
I’m sure no one wants this thread closed, we’re just curious as to which sources you have used and the reasoning for some of your workflow choices. You say you haven’t used any of the TN1 scans, in that case which 35mm scans have you used? Is it all 35mm based? As Adywan has noted the resolution of a 35mm release print is somewhere within the 720p-1080p range, so the decision to issue a 480p release is a bit confusing.
practically all 35mm film can be scanned up to 4k, clarity wise depending on the print it would be about 720p as Adywan mentioned. but according to the digital pixelation present in the file you provided, it seems it was either scanned or rendered at 480p, which is not correct.
Virtualbox or parallels running windows would definitely work.
The program is compiled with Matlab.
I tried Parallels, Crossover and Whisky. Nothing works. The app loads, but it is slow, and then either freezes at the start of the colormatching process, or it doesn’t start colormatching at all. I am using an M1 Mac mini.
same exact problem I’m having here. nothing works for me.
I’ve given up hope.
R.I.P. James Earl Jones, the voice of Darth Vader …
R.I.P
James Earl Jones…
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/SSxBkCs6Uv8z4a7B/
May he rest in peace. Film icon.
Rendering now…
NEW UPDATE
I’ve decided to replace the out of focus shots with the 4k blu-ray, color corrected to match.
So it probably wont be out till late next week.
any suggestions would be helpful.
What will be the audio mix of this preservation?
the 5.1 mix that comes included with the blu-ray.
2024 UPDATE:
Hey everyone, so I’ve recently rekindled my fascination for ROTJ, so I’ve decided to Re-up this project and do an all-new color correction.
Main Differences from Old Correction:
Final Render will be a full-quality file (20 GB or thereabouts) and this time it’ll be sourced from the original Blu-ray, which gives me an advantage at removing the crappy over-exposed highlights this film has, Which turned out to be kind of simple to do:
Thanks to the Blu-ray’s high bit-rate, I was able to get a good amount of detail back that was lost in the highlights. couldn’t do much about the shadows though. Anyways here’s a clip:
Comp: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p1P73ZifNzEwtutHbJ8rVxAzpxmjhNeg/view?usp=sharing
Just the Color Grade: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BL-sieK703sOTsw8ufNVApsi7nsWPowS/view?usp=sharing
I will also be replacing out-of-focus shots with the 2019 4k Blu-ray.
Still have a few things to do, and a few kinks to iron out, but overall it’s almost done.
expect a release next week or thereabouts.
also, any thoughts on the grade would be very much appreciated.
Why make this available only for a limited time?
Maybe he wants to pay homage to the 2006 GOUT DVD advertising? 😉
More like the '93 Laserdisc releases. “One Last Time” that was a huge red flag.
Why make this available only for a limited time?
This like Disney putting movies “in the vault” just to build hype & demand back in the day, only without the existing demand, reputation for quality, name recognition, etc.
Plus, anyone who receives the files can just distribute them as soon as he says it’s no longer available.
Yes, anyone can, but they should not say “I created this preservation…” , but this is only for a limited time since I could accidentally delete the mp4 files while emptying device space, but if you manage to download the mp4 files, I will not be demanding you to delete it.
I think there might be some misunderstandings. Why can’t you just upload it to Google Drive or Mega to ensure it’s preserved indefinitely? How could it be accidentally deleted?
why is this in only 480p? and how can something be both stereo and 7.1 surround sound?
I’ve sent you the pm’s btw.
Quick update:
Why doesn’t the Facebook link work it brings me to the main Facebook page, instead of your Facebook page odd.
it works fine for me?
Happy Independence Day !!!
Thanks you everyone for your well Wishes, and i’m so sorry for your loss Ronster. I was rushed into hospital again on Sunday but i’m back home now and thankfully it wasn’t anything too major, although it does look like i will need another operation to insert another stent if the artery that caused Sundays emergency gets any worse. So i need to take it very slow now during the long recovery. But, thanks to the amazing work the NHS have done for me, for the most part i feel better than i have for over a decade. Looks like i’ve been having mini heart attacks for years now and this was the one that finally knocked me down.
I hope you get a quick recovery ady, and best of wishes. take it easy.
The removal of the TIE and hair both look great — fantastic attention to detail - well done!!
thanks.
Hair removal:
old:
New:
Quick update:
Oh my god! Get well soon Ady, this was a shock!
Finally removed that weird random tie fighter. Always made this shot seem chaotic. Little more clear now.
New shot:
Old:
New:
full clip:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XdQHj4X9Ws8SqLQuAVjMnrjykDjNkuPV/view?usp=sharing
