That guy with no name

JadedSkywalker said:

The actual state of the negative and whether or not there are sufficient good quality sources to restore the film to its original state lie within Lucasfilm itself.

Of course, we can’t leave things up to chance seeing how since 1997 the entire point of Lucas was to erase that the originals ever existed. They were a rough draft, a work in progress he was forced to release, and he was unhappy with them and so, and on.

It’s completely unconscionable to leave it up to Loc and BFI to have to rescue these movies, as is 4k77 wouldn’t even exist if George had done the right thing.

That’s exactly my thoughts. This was all George’s purposeful doing. If he had actually wanted to release them, he would’ve.

I’m currently working on posting a short sequence of full restored video, but in the meantime
I wanna explain something about the DNR I’ll be doing…
Instead of just applying a blanket layer of DNR, which will cause static grain and detail flicker.
Instead, each element of the frame has to be masked out, and DNRed separately, to minimize any detail loss.
Then, it’s color-corrected, and a thin layer of that original grain is put back in after it’s been refined.

and then you get something like this:

(the screenshot desaturates the image slightly)

Here’s a video comp:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fYns2m2hkyqDLd01j5r2lG4Hk2wz1uiU/view?usp=sharing

There are still some kinks to iron out (Chewie fur problem, Dust and scratches)

NeverarGreat said:

Hal 9000 said:

I find myself preferring the AI line delivery. It feels more authentic to me

I have no opinion on the content of this discussion, but that statement feels dark and vaguely sinister.

“It’s almost like it understands me better than I understand myself. Almost.”

JadedSkywalker said:

The 2006 is quite a strange facsimile, as its not at all the theatrical cut. Its just the Definitive collection with worse more compressed audio of the 1993 mix, with the 1977 crawl tacked onto the beginning.

Still its pre–Special Edition if not quite the real deal.

Earlier releases did have the theatrical 35mm mix the Dolby Stereo, so they must just have been incredibly lazy. Seeing how fans could retrieve the audio off of laserdiscs. Or even VHS.

I’m getting up there in age and even I haven’t seen the pre 1981 cut on 35mm in the cinema. It hasn’t been shown in over 40 years. Nobody has seen it since 1980. Beyond an odd screening here or there, but not more wide and broad, no restored print exists.

Interesting, Now I understand why TN1 had such a problem with the 4k77 crawls… If I’m not mistaken they used a different source for that.

Venny said:

WXM said:

[venny said:]
this will likely be the last project I put out on Original Trilogy but I thank all the people who have helped me with my projects on these forums and supported these scans.

If it’s not prying too much, can you tell us why you’re putting this behind you (is it here only, or other places also)? I can’t help but wonder if it’s akin to TVArchive and a few others leaving out of some form of being fed up with being nagged too much or similar, or maybe it’s more like you’ve personally simply done all the projects you wish to do—are sated—and that’s that?

I don’t think these forums are fit for my projects anymore with leaks, people begging me for scans when they aren’t finished, etc. I respect the community that has helped me in the past and now, but with this forum being open to everyone it makes it hard to get support without bad actors taking advantage of that kindness.

I’m pretty sure not including “WIP” or “Unfinished” doesn’t help things. People “begging” you, is not that big of a deal… as long as digital comments don’t cause you physical harm.

Venny said:

This comment section is the reason I stopped using these forums. Just people begging for piracy.

Huh? Aren’t you the one advertising this? If you don’t want people to pirate these film, then why are posting a thread in the “film preservations” section? Do you want people to pay you to purchase and view this print by yourself?

Mocata said:

It felt more like he was throwing OOT fans his scraps, since it was such a low quality version and a “bonus feature” but I guess this is old news. Of course now time has passed and you have strange people that believe this laserdisc rip represents the quality of that theatrical cuts.

This might have been his intention, to confine the memory of the original cuts to that inferior quality.

Mocata said:

Yeah I seem to remember the GOUT version wasn’t a 1977 copy but just had the A New Hope title removed just so they could say ‘here you go idiots this is what you wanted right?’

Ok, I’m glad you told me. He treats it’ as If it’s a separate “cut” so he can expand his list of “cuts” to make the argument that there is no definitive “original” version. the man is insane.

Hal 9000 said:

Laserdiscs had the 1981 version of the crawl, which had the ANH name added.

The GOUT appears to have a different version of the crawl and opening shot which doesn’t include this added title, but is identical to the laserdiscs (in terms of what is presented) following that. It was mastered from the same source as the 1993+ laserdiscs, save for the opening shot of ANH.

Thanks man.

are the gouts and the laserdisc exactly the same, or are their differences, I’m currently writing a huge video essay about the Special editions, Star Wars preservations, and those horrible videos by Rick Worley and Nerdonomous. in Rick’s video he claims that the gout has a different crawl from the laserdisc and that the laserdisc has the updated “a new hope crawl” so that he can label the Gout as it’s “own cut” and make the list of Pre-SE cuts bigger to make the originals seem less important. I think this is BS. But too tired to check. can someone tell me?

If anyone is interested in reading the WIP rough essay script here it is:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ipU48nABwFM9NrHiFmiJhumCmMn-WCmyXMmaAmRYqRo/edit?usp=sharing
please inform me about any factual errors.
I’ll keep updating it whenever I am finished with another section.
Cheers.

I pitched in something for you; hoping others will too. also wishing you a smooth recovery Ady!

DZ-330 said:

MiDKnighT said:

If the goal is to make a perfect Empire Strikes Back I’m wondering why the Luke / Leia smooch was left in lol.

Because George (Luke)as kissed his sister, and the world needs to know that.

https://youtu.be/mZ49Smi2SLQ?si=JT0x-3hA385rPex3

Hal 9000 said:

A glimpse into how conversations with myself can go:

Not sure why the image won’t load. It’s the Simpsons clip of Krusty interviewing Robert Frost, covering him with snow, and being told, “We discussed this, and I said no.”

G&G-Fan said:

The theatrical version makes more sense. The stormtroopers are only pretending to try and capture the heroes, and are trying to convince them they escaped based on their own skills. To lead him to an entire barrack would leave Han wondering why the entire garrison didn’t follow him.

This, and also looks nothing like the death star hangar. also, why would stormtroopers just be standing im formation like that?

Edit: I’m ok with it left in btw.

Hey everyone, new color correction comp:
This has to be the worst color grading in the film. The Tatooine scenes are horrible. Skin tones blend into the background, purple is everywhere it shouldn’t be, desaturated skies, and waxy skin make the shot look artificial. For many shots, I had to strip out color and rebuild from scratch to restore the original tones. Finally got rid of the purple (it took ages)—the key was restoring the original colors rather than just desaturating them. Here’s a small example:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t2Zr0wmYl303FDLZZeEzeTYiUKu7TlFG/view?usp=sharing

some tweaks are still needed. Let me know your thoughts.

Final shot:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rFKICbVWwg8JEsIBT8XLnbGCcJ07YGSQ/view?usp=sharing
All good?

edit: CC is still a WIP.

doubleofive said:

timdiggerm said:

doubleofive said:

G&G-Fan said:

Is there a visual comparisons for ESB:R? There are so many changes that it’s almost hard to spot them all.

Ady said he was going to do one because he didn’t think anyone but him could do it. So I was leaving it to him!

Maybe we (“the community”) should start on one anyway. Wouldn’t want to slow his progress down on the other films!

Maybe I will, as is my custom.

I actually began making one a few years back, but I forgot about it: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NdZFn1fHznevxQzK6

Crossvader said:

Imagine a Christmas with adywans a new hope revisited hd! That would make my Christmas 🎄

YAREL_RGP said:

That guy with no name said:

YAREL_RGP said:

That guy with no name said:

This is a full-scale restoration/remaster of 4k77.
Full shot for shot color correction, shot for shot dust/scratches removal and
DNR/regraining. I want this to be as close as a professional remaster of the original film could look like.
no more green tint, no more deep blacks. No More Dust/Scratches

Sources:
.4k77 1.4 (NO DNR)
.4k78
.Star Wars Silver Screen Edition (used strictly and only for color reference)

Release info:
Aspect ratio - 1920x1080. (A 4k version will be released later)
Frame rate - 23.976
Audio tracks -
track 1, Original '77 stereo mix.
track 2, 70mm 5.1 mix.
track 3, mono track.

Preview comp:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aioDr3Oxq7T4Ie4JnkXtQEQDBt-uddgs/view?usp=sharing

btw accidentally switched the clips in the second part to 400x zoom. sorry.

Some time ago Sky Dude did a 4K77 remaster, removing the grain without color correction, but because of the DNR he added, several details were lost. Will your project be more careful?

yes. he went overboard with the DNR. I’m not really gonna use that much, just to take the edge off. the correction really hides most of the grain.

Will the color correction be similar to Adywan’s work, giving the film a more modern look without sticking to the look of a Technicolor film?

It’s not modern per se, just neutral. technicolor-ish tone will remain though.

YAREL_RGP said:

That guy with no name said:

This is a full-scale restoration/remaster of 4k77.
Full shot for shot color correction, shot for shot dust/scratches removal and
DNR/regraining. I want this to be as close as a professional remaster of the original film could look like.
no more green tint, no more deep blacks. No More Dust/Scratches

Sources:
.4k77 1.4 (NO DNR)
.4k78
.Star Wars Silver Screen Edition (used strictly and only for color reference)

Release info:
Aspect ratio - 1920x1080. (A 4k version will be released later)
Frame rate - 23.976
Audio tracks -
track 1, Original '77 stereo mix.
track 2, 70mm 5.1 mix.
track 3, mono track.

Preview comp:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aioDr3Oxq7T4Ie4JnkXtQEQDBt-uddgs/view?usp=sharing

btw accidentally switched the clips in the second part to 400x zoom. sorry.

Some time ago Sky Dude did a 4K77 remaster, removing the grain without color correction, but because of the DNR he added, several details were lost. Will your project be more careful?

yes. he went overboard with the DNR. I’m not really gonna use that much, just to take the edge off. the correction really hides most of the grain.

G&G-Fan said:

Ryan Golden’s read of Vader saying “Your mother once thought as you do”.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xcpjwvi5-6F5Gko15ldeUV3gvtqpnkWE/view?usp=sharing

Make sure to credit him for any usage, and do not use his lines to train AI.

it’s perfect!!! cant wait for it to be edited into the full aduio.

Would it work better if they fired instead of just idly chasing them? Staying on the first shot of them aiming might work. As for the forcefields, I can add those to the adjacent shots.

mikebailey15 said:

Inspired by JeromeTheEditor, I thought I’d give this a shot too.
Here is my version of the speed force run removed. Pretty simple edit, I removed Qui-Gon moving to a defensive position after Obi-Wan sees the destroyers, so it appears they are fleeing all along. And Obi-Wan moves to the right, so I mirrored the shot of them going into the ventilation shaft so that it is also to the right.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nylP49-Jr89pEcVgrFZuMmUvhO8kztpg/view?usp=drive_link

OMG that’s perfect. only thing that’ll make it better is to change the end of the hallway to match the other end of the hall, which i can try to do. thanks for this!!!

SophieScholl said:

hey all, just discovered these and I’m looking for a link? Sounds awesome

Pm Me.

G&G-Fan said:

I have.

great.