That guy with no name

JoyOfEditing said:

Hal 9000 said:

To keep things involving the effort to revise the prequel trilogy edits one more time and include an alternate set of them to be more ‘maximalist’ and retain the original titles mostly within this one thread, I wanted to ask:

Are there any higher quality sources for the deleted scenes? Currently I have AI upscales that are a few years old. Nothing wrong with them, but I don’t know if there is anything better out there.

Also, I could still use an AI line to replace 3PO’s line in ROTS while taking off for Mustafar, “I think I’m beginning to get the hang of this flying business, hmm.”

Everything else I think I can get through myself, at a snail’s pace.

If you wanna try a different way to fix the goofy Threepio line, you can actually retime the whole scene to make it feel like Padme rushed off to Mustafar, which allows you to cut the line entirely: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14-Rc2iWT4QsNdRuAMAW0qER5ke_28Uuw/view?usp=drive_link

If it means anything. I can’t even tell what was changed, Seems normal to me? So congrats it works.

new shot:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13E_rrr2tlvyioEZjk0jaIwZwbvTHG2qK/view?usp=sharing
Thoughts, comments, and concerns are not only welcomed, but encouraged.

Edit: I recommend deloading this one, and looking closely, the background has SO MUCH DIRT!

BedeHistory731 said:

I’d be down for an alternate audio track that restores all the unused music. Hell, I’ve even thought about doing a custom mix for ESB:R that restored all the unused music for Empire.

That would be fitting considering that ANH:R has an extra track.

oojason said:

 

The bottom is just a color graded Blu-ray. Is that supposed to be like that?

Forgot To post here… Again (please just go follow this on the SWTF pleeease.

Post:
As I promised, here it is:

Besides the scratch on Tarkin’s face (which I’m currently working to find a solution for)
This will be how the final release looks. I hope this longer shot gives you an idea of the quality.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UZSOP6y-hRrNdpMJ9sQwwU15xkXlcNIH/view?usp=sharing

(BTW, it might seem darker than the original, which it is but that’s because the original is blown out. There are cases where I have to darken and cases where I have to make things brighter, it was the former here, but I made sure that the blacks didn’t get crushed.
Please leave any feedback or concerns, I’d like to know your thoughts so be honest.

oojason said:

That guy with no name said:

JadedSkywalker said:

YAREL_RGP said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I think still having to argue with people over why the original should be on Blu-Ray and 4K and Han why Han shooting second is stupid, 20 years after we signed a petition to the get the original released just to get Lynn Hale’s spiel, kind of makes me think it’s a lost cause.

I have 4K77 and I’m reasonably happy with it.

It won’t be lost because the British Film Archive and Library of Congress have the original. Its just not available to the general public. Unless you have out of print DVD, VHS or laserdisc. Yeah none of those is theatrically accurate but whatever.

Does that mean that the original negatives are archived in a place where they are available for scanning at any time today? From what source do you get this information? It is really very interesting

Not negatives no, but LOC do have 35mm prints they have scanned and archived. I’m almost 100% certain BFI has done the same. But I don’t have some inside knowledge.

Lucasfilm has the negatives, and it is true that the O-neg is conformed to the 1997 edit. But they saved all the trims. What is lost is the original color reversal negative, all the wipes and dissolves. Anyone who says they can’t do a restoration is being foolish. It’s not about the money, it’s not about can it be done. It is all about George, he hates the original and does not want it restored.

This has never been confirmed, some say that George tossed those trimmings. Why would he keep them?

It has indeed been confirmed, mate. Back in 2017…
 

‘20th Century Fox’s Senior Vice President of Library and Technical Services, Shawn Belston, confirmed that all of the “trims” removed from the original cut negative (in the mid-1990s, to create the SEs) still exist as well.’

 
^ Source here: http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/022417-0100 (screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/kjtbx74.png)

(there are probably other sources for Belston’s quotes from the time - and probably appears in a thread somewhere on here…)

 

Also worth a read…

From 2010 (though always worth a visit): http://fd.noneinc.com/savestarwarscom/savestarwars.info/filmpreservation.html

2011 for TSHoSW book: http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html

From 2020 (from doubleofive; who also knows his stuff): https://starwarsviscomp.wordpress.com/2020/08/21/what-we-want
 

 

Oh wow. I’ve been doing a lot of research the past two years writing a script for a video essay, this is the first time I’ve seen confirmation! thanks oojason! This and your other “unreliable narrator” thread have been very helpful to me. I’ll make sure to correctcmy script. thanks again.

splodge said:

Images here

https://imgur.com/a/H0sXDpv

Love that they left the natural grain in… so beautiful!

timdiggerm said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

I just heard the music track entitled “Obi-Wan’s Revelation” for the first time. Interestingly it was removed from the final film. I’m curious as to people’s opinions on the track and if it should be reinstated?

https://youtu.be/x3rAbX9Wprg?si=CTEBzDStBL4NCxhd

Does seriously nobody care about this unreleased ROTJ track I found? 😭😂

Sorry dude, not every post gets replies.

But someone has already tried it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFz8W7fYMy4

This feels so correct. I wasn’t even aware the original didn’t have music.
Adywan, please consider this!

I’m starting to see ads on the site… is this something new or am I just seeing things…
Edit: just saw the post. nevermind.

JadedSkywalker said:

YAREL_RGP said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I think still having to argue with people over why the original should be on Blu-Ray and 4K and Han why Han shooting second is stupid, 20 years after we signed a petition to the get the original released just to get Lynn Hale’s spiel, kind of makes me think it’s a lost cause.

I have 4K77 and I’m reasonably happy with it.

It won’t be lost because the British Film Archive and Library of Congress have the original. Its just not available to the general public. Unless you have out of print DVD, VHS or laserdisc. Yeah none of those is theatrically accurate but whatever.

Does that mean that the original negatives are archived in a place where they are available for scanning at any time today? From what source do you get this information? It is really very interesting

Not negatives no, but LOC do have 35mm prints they have scanned and archived. I’m almost 100% certain BFI has done the same. But I don’t have some inside knowledge.

Lucasfilm has the negatives, and it is true that the O-neg is conformed to the 1997 edit. But they saved all the trims. What is lost is the original color reversal negative, all the wipes and dissolves. Anyone who says they can’t do a restoration is being foolish. It’s not about the money, it’s not about can it be done. It is all about George, he hates the original and does not want it restored.

This has never been confirmed, some say that George tossed those trimmings. Why would he keep them?

Mocata said:

The restoration has already been done… by the hobbyists and fans.

Library of Congress was never given an original negative, it was the Special Edition right?

a bit late, but no. They only ever later received 35mm-prints to maintain copyright (which you can schedule to watch there) so in an ironic way, George didn’t want these films to be available, but he also didn’t want to stop owning them.

In 1997, as part of the restoration, the newly assembled negative was scanned and digitally restored in 2k. does this mean that there is currently a 2k file of the original film(s) sitting in lucasfilm archive?

Ejn said:

Actually, Mathews original story was that he took it out because he hated it and George didn’t notice.

Curious, where did you hear his original story as you put it?

https://blastpointspodcast.com/2022/04/26/episode-308-the-special-luke-scream-mystery/

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My username is “that guy with no name” aka “ThatGuyWithNoName” aka “TGWNN” because I thought it was funny, no reference to Clint Eastwood, but people still thought that was the case, so I changed my profile to him for a while.

Avatar/PFP is of David st. hubbins (Michael McKean) from spinal tap.

.Mac. said:

G&G-Fan said:

She needed to prove herself to Jabba. This is a gangster, he doesn’t just let any schmuck in.

Would Vito Corleone just let anybody hang around his property?

did she absolutely have to bring in Chewie?

umm… Jabba had a bounty on his head… Did you forget? where the hell is Luke and lea supposed to find someone else with a bounty? they’re not bounty hunters. Chewie was her ticket in.

Sirius said:

I don’t know if Adywan ever added this, but did anyone ever mention making Leia cry after the destruction of Alderaan? I mean, put tears streaming down her face and stuff. I don’t know if it’s possible to do this with the available scenes.

Hmm… That would be pretty damn cool.

Telion said:

The marvel SW comics are not the source you are looking for.

Yeah, I also rolled my eyes at that.

G&G-Fan said:

When he said he never came back from “this awful place” he was probably referring to Tatooine.

Yup, you’re right. He says “Lando Calrissian and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place.”
Because Lando and chewie immediately left for tatooine at the end of empire.

Alrighty… here’s something a little different.
This is a clip I’ve been working on even before I release the first Beta clip… It’s a 6-shot section of the movie FULLY remastered, I mean Dirt/scratches, DNR masking, color correction, And in glorious 4K! This is what the Final Release will look like. Now there was an arant scratch here or there that got away, but it’s pretty damn close. This 6-shot section took me almost 2 months to finish. aswell as asking a friend to run the shots through Neat Video for me, using the noise profiles I had made. The longest shot was the one with the sand people throwing Luke on the ground because it required so much damn masking, but it wasn’t the hardest; the hardest was the first shot of R2-D2- it has an unbelievable amount of dirt and so many scratches, which where almost impossible to remove. But either way here it is (comp coming soon):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dly6xCln45UId589l-U398vouQUBpfDV/view?usp=sharing

also, if you want to keep tabs on this project please visit the other forum, where I’m more active about this project. I keep forgetting to post about it here… I’m not even sure If I posted Beta clip 2 here either.

Same as above. I know that williarob made the site, but what exactly happened to it? also any alternatives out there?

G&G-Fan said:

That guy with no name said:

This maybe a conversational opinion, But frankly but the D+ preservations don’t look that good.
You can see the salvaged DNR and added grain as well as faulty rotoscoping.
So no I wont be using that as a source, Also 4K80 is nearly finished.

Not only can these issues be rectified, but it fixes issues with the 2011 versions that can’t. Like the crushed blacks.

This shot of Vader is complete non-sense with the Blu-Ray, and you can’t fix it. You can’t get that back.

Here’s the 2019 version. You can actually see Vader’s mask! It’s a miracle!

The colors of the 2004 master were permanently altered beyond repair. Lots of the colors were so oversaturated or crushed that the original colors aren’t even there anymore. Even the best regrades can’t recover what’s lost.

Yeah, since that post I’ve actually changed my mid. Quite a bit. The 2004 master will remain my primary source. Mostly because the 2019 Blu-ray, even though it’s of higher quality, is just too zoomed in and stretched. But for shots like the one above, I’ll be replacing those will custom-fitted 2019 shots. I’ll post a test soon.

DarthTzetzo said:

That guy with no name, have you considered replacing “evil” with “Sith”, or changing it to “The evil Sith lord Darth Vader” in the opening crawl?

“Sith” is more of a prequel term. I know it’s mentioned in the ANH deleted scene, but still. It’s only ever used in the prequels. The audience at the time of watching ESB don’t even know what a “Sith” is.

Way back when Adywan released a color-corrected version of the ESB Blu-ray (or maybe HDTV I’m unsure) even though it’s not the best quality or bitrate, it is the closest we’ve come to pure Adywan-corrected ESB.

Now, for this reconstruction; I’ve taken an HQ rip of the 2011 Blu-ray (that I made myself) and overlayed the color information of the Adywan Color Corrected ESB. Now we have a High-quality Adywan color-corrected ESB!

Example:
Raw Blu-ray;

Adywan CC:

Reconstruction:

Raw Blu-ray

Adywan CC:

Reconstruction:

Tech Specs:
Size: 37GB
Aspect Ratio: 1920x1080
Audio Track: 5.1 surround sound - English.

As usual please PM me for links.