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- #658263
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- Restoration, Preservation, Fan Edit - definitions
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poita said:
1) Agree
But perhaps it should also cover where there has been a digital release, but it has been botched.
I think it could be safely included in 2) Fan Restoration
CatBus said:
Even assuming we allow for great flexibility, these terms are hierarchical. Some are subsets of others. Some are distinct. Some are partially overlapping and partially distinct.
You are right, technically speaking, ALL these definitions could be defined as fan restoration of some sort, but I think we need to separate them in branches, for several reasons... well, as my first language is not english, I'll use the definitions from wiktionary.com.
Fan Preservation can be used to describe ANY attempt to preserve a particular version of a film for posterity. It can include unaltered preservations of a single rare release, it can be a remux of different releases, it can be a reconstruction of an original version from multiple sources... it could even be a reconstruction of a particular modified-for-television broadcast version of a film. It could just be transferring an old VHS bootleg to DVD.
1) Preservation: The act of preserving; care to preserve; act of keeping from destruction, decay or any ill.
to me, it does not involve ANY restoration at all! I mean, if a house should be destroyed because an highway will pass there, and I make a petition to safe it because has historical value, and then the highway will be made 1 mile away from it, I preserved the house, but I did not restored anything...
video wise, if I capture a movie that is ony on laserdisc but never released on digital format, then I put it on DVD or BD "as is" (or with a simple IVTC), touching only the audio from 44.1KHz to 48KHz, I think this could simply be called a preservation, and not a restoration. If I touch video or audio, like upscaling, degraining, remixing audio etc. this qualify as a restoration, or restored preservation - maybe in this case we could fit in a overlapping definition.
Fan Restoration is a subset of the above. It's an attempt to restore a particular version of the film that is otherwise unavailable, in a way that involves a lot of processing to bring out qualities that weren't present in the unaltered source material. Project Blu would qualify as a single-source fan restoration, the Despecialized Editions would be multi-source.
2) Restoration: the process of bringing an object back to its original state; the process of restoring something.
I make an example using my last project: "The Thing" BD has DNR in comparison to HD-DVD (that was not on the original print), and, to me and many other forum members, has wrong color grading. If we presume the LD has the correct color grading (or, at least, most correct), and I use the LD as color reference, restoring the movie using the HD-DVD video (with less DNR) and LD for colors, counts as a restoration. The fact that I used several soundtracks from LD, DVD, BD doesn't mean this is a "mere" remux - to me, it IS a restoration.
Fan Reconstruction is a subset of the above, and it's the multi-source version.
3) Reconstruction: A thing that has been reconstructed or restored to an earlier state.
following this definition, could Harmy's work be defined as reconstruction or restoration? Maybe we should use a new definition, "Recreation".
Fan Extended Edition is a subset of Fan Edits, where the primary goal of the project is to add material to the film.
Here we basically agree. I could also point that there is NO restoration at all in the main movie, while the extended scenes could be restored to be closest to the main feature.
Fan Remux is a subset of Fan Edits that overlaps Fan Preservation (if the goal of the remux is to preserve a particular version), but can also include making unique new versions.
5) Multiplex: (computing) To combine several signals into a single signal
If I choose the best video, audio and subtitles from several sources, I don't preserve any sources at all, just do a new version.
Fan Edit overlaps Fan Preservations and Fan Restorations, and is a superset of Fan Reconstructions, Fan Extended Editions, and Fan Remuxes. Basically it only means the fan did some editing to the sources. It does not imply what the purpose of that editing was. It could have been to make a home video release like the theatrical version, it could be made to shorten or lengthen the film, it may have been only audio editing, but it wasn't a simple VHS-to-DVD transfer, for example.
We basically agree here, too.
Workprints and Bootlegs should be separated out. Workprints are film elements from the official process that produced the film that didn't make it into the film itself, while bootlegs are unofficial audio or video recordings of a particular "performance" of the film. In-theatre tape recordings, VHS tapes of TV broadcasts, etc.
I agree with you 100% on this definition; I think it's better to abandon the Bootleg definition as, streactly speaking, all our fan edits, preservations etc. ARE bootlegs...
CatBus, we could agree or disagree, but I like the fact that a discussion is started!