At the end, if all will go well, we'll get both PAL and NTSC captures that, combined with their respective VHS counterparts, will be without subtitles!
SilverWook said:
Didn't know there was a PAL LD of this.
"...you didn't do your homework!" (^^,)
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Extras-on-SW-laserdiscs-and-not-on-DVD-or-BD/topic/15232
AFAIR, the PAL version quality is lower than the Japanese LD... and, to wipe out subtitles, a PAL VHS tape is needed!
@AntcuFaalb: don't know if Jetrell will be able to capture the NTSC tape lossless; if not, would you (*gulp*) dare to open your own brand new unopened unshrinkwrapped tape, and capture it lossless?
Time to resurrect this thread... launch status check:
- Hi-end laserdisc player?
- Go!
- High-quality analog capture card?
- Go!
- High-quality cables?
- Go!
- High-quality capture hardware & software?
- Go!
- "From Star Wars to Jedi" NTSC Japanese laserdisc?
- Go!
- "From Star Wars to Jedi" NTSC US VHS tape?
- No go! I repeat, no go!!!
...at least, until Jetrell Fo will provide the latter, to get rid of the Japanese hardsubs... interested? Stay tuned on this thread!
Great news, poita; thanks a lot!!!
Too many project started all together... (^^,)
Will be finished, so stay tuned on this thread!
...or just a wonderful audio track, to build upon it a fan video! (^^,)
I've left the color setting as is, because I was afraid that if I raised it more, some rainbow artifacts could happen...
About screenshotcomparison: here it worked always, lately... some weeks ago was down for several days, though!
Nope... I'm working to something else now, but, as you started your project before mine, now I'm waiting to see your GOUT SR version of all the three films! (-^,)
Someone MUST grab it!!!
@davelittle1990:
Listen, if only I lived in US, I'd buy it - but I live in Europe, and have not an NTSC VHS player... well, why don't you buy the tape yourself? If you, too, live outside US, you can also ask someone here if he could grab the tape for you...
camroncamera said:
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I think you should use the PAL DVD for ROTJ - at least, according to anyone in this forum, this is better than NTSC!
Is this a title suitable for the PaNup technique (plus SR processing)?
Nope, as the PAL version is actually a bad NTSC conversion...
stretch009 said:
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
I think you should use the PAL DVD for ROTJ - at least, according to anyone in this forum, this is better than NTSC!
But Moth3r and others have said it's only SLIGHTLY better than it's NTSC counterpart.
Yep, but slightly better is always better than equal... plus, it has (obviously) more lines to work with, so...
It has something to do with masters used and/or NTSC/PAL conversion... can't remember, but if you are interested, you must do a little google-fu to search in older thread here...
Yes, theoretically PAL should be superior, BUT... theory and practice are not always the same... indeed, even if there are around 5000 PAL laserdisc, only few ones are better than their NTSC counterparts - using similar quality players, of course...
I think you should use the PAL DVD for ROTJ - at least, according to anyone in this forum, this is better than NTSC!
JawsTDS said:
You should try a clip from the PAL ROTJ disc to see how much sharper it would look since it's from an actual 576 line master.
Here I can answer, too: sadly, the EPIV and V are NOT better on PAL DVD, at the contrary of EPVI.
Sadly not... but it has VHS, CED, HD-DVD...
Sorry to ruin your dream, but accordingly to LDDB the laserdisc (cut) is 69min like this VHS tape, so...
Disclaimer: I'm using an old 1024x768 half-optimized lcd monitor, so take this in account when evaluating my feedback!
OK, just finished to watch it... apart the "usual suspects" - read: jagged lines on the droids around frames 4500/4600, which needs IMHO more aggressive antialiasing - the rest was very good; yes, tiny jaggies are still here and there, but I noted them because I watched the clip to find'em all! (^^,)
From here - apart the few instances where there are clearly jagged lines that could be solved applying further antialiasing - you have the green light! Go for it!
althor, finished to download the test clip - if you can call it a "test clip" a 1GB file... (^^,) - and it's quite good; a bit too bright, but maybe it's the disc itself...
Meanwhile, thanks to the capture fever that hit me, I managed to grab the same frame you posted before, this:
US HLD-X0 Vs US CLD-R7G
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/129269
and this is the results:
US HLD-X0 Vs US HLD-X9
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/129450
US HLD-X0 Vs JP HLD-X9
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/129452
US CLD-R7G Vs US HLD-X9
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/129451
US CLD-R7G Vs JP HLD-X9
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/129453
I used both the US Definitive Collection (0693-84) Japanese Definitive Collection (second edition, the one without book but with documentaries -> PIL-2021) because this is the latest version and is supposed to have a better video.
Hardware used: Pioneer HLD-X9 via S-Video Monster Cable to SweetSpot (a.k.a. PDI Deluxe)
Software used: VirtualDub with HuffYUV 2.2 codec; settings for JP: http://s11.postimg.org/d834rlmlv/SW_DC_JP_settings.jpg (for US, contrast was lowered to 95 and of course NTSC was used instead NTSC-J)
What about Pioneer CLD-D925, 600, and maybe the Philips LDP600WS?
I have the latter on NTSC JP laserdisc - with Japanese subs; about the former, don't know if they could be the same found in the Definitive Collection.
UPDATE: Finally I captured the 1997 SE NTSC three trailers and featurette, using the Pioneer HLD-X9 and the SweetSpot (a.ka. PDI Deluxe) capture card; better late than never! (^^,)
Also discovered that the NTSC is around 29min, while the German and UK are around 15min - it seems they are just cut down versions of the US, so, I don't know if I "have" to capture them or not...
I think there are so many settings (to be a laserdisc player) to tweak, that is possible to find out a good way to capture with no (or few) chroma errors; yes, some capture tests are needed!
Sorry, but I do not want to touch the X9 - that's some kind of respect that prevent me to do that... (^^,) but I'm thinking about modding one of my LD-V4300D... about 3D comb filter, I was thinking about the internal X9; I'm sure there are better around, but didn't know it was so bad...
So, for a "direct" (read: no ld-decode) capture, is pretty sweet!
At this point, I guess the X9 will be 98/99% close to X0... and *maybe* even better, using the 3D comb filter, but I can't be sure...