skyjedi2005

msycamore said:

I can completely understand why skyjedi2005 can be upset about this little American Graffiti alteration, it doesn't matter how small the change is. It's basically why has it been done in the first place, simply because Lucas can do it. You never heard people complain about those old dirty opticals and natural sky that supposedly ruined the film before '98 did you? The '98 release, is the third version of American Graffiti and the same goes for the '04 THX 1138, will we have a fourth version of these films soon? Probably, it's beginning to become a sick joke really.

Zombie, I think the reason why you never heard so many people complain about the redone opening crawl in Star Wars, is that it was done in '81 vs '98 for American Graffiti, no internet available and when it became available most people on forums was either to young to know about the change or the old-timers had simply learned to accept it for all these years, I never accepted it though ;) so, I was very pleased and very surprised when they actually spliced it in for the GOUT release. Never thought that would happen.

Btw, thanks for making converted screen photos available!

If that new cgi shot in the HD broadcast of Raiders is on the next dvd or blu ray release, i will be perfectly justified in refusing to buy it since it is not the theatrical release.  Changing a shot and then not saying anything about doing so, and keeping the same copyright date is almost criminal in my opinion.

I know someone who bought the star wars trilogy 2004 set and returned it to best buy as false advertising, since the box had the 1977, 1980 and 1983 copyright dates on the film and nowhere on the box is it listed special edition 2004.

When a film is shot on techniscope it is supposed to be very grainy using dvnr and changing the color timing is not reproducing the original theatrical experience.  The worst to me is what was done to graffiti and THX, i can live with the small changes in the indy trilogy boxset, but even those had too much grain removed and the color timing was different from previous releases but close enough that i call it a day on whether or not to boycott that release completely.

To me removing matte lines and the snake reflection is ok since it does not change the intent of the original work.  I know that Bob Z, does not agree though since the back to the future blu ray will still have the wires not painted out via computers.

Fang Zei said:

Ah, good point digitalfreak. We're only up to October in terms of announced blu-ray releases. Announcing the Indy bd's at c5 is totally within the realm of possibility. These lucasfilm titles never hit a new format on a significant anniversary anyway. It really does seem like every last catalog title is hitting blu-ray this year, LFL probably feels the pressure.

I just caught American Graffiti on one of the local tv stations and couldn't help but wonder when Universal will put that on the docket for blu-ray. THX is due next month from WB and the absence of the original version kinda feels like a nail in the coffin, though it doesn't have the cultural significance of Graffiti and Star Wars so that's at least understandable.

Something I randomly noticed after the end credits of Graffiti was a quick flash of the title shot, only it was letterboxed unlike how the movie had been presented. I think it was the revised version, don't know what it was randomly doing at the end of the broadcast transfer though. The title shot back at the beginning was - I think - the old version (hard to tell from the cropped-for-tv framing, but I don't remember clouds). Found a nice comparison right here actually.

It looks like according to that link Lucas ruined Graffiti in 1998.  So i guess i have to look for a pre 1998 laserdisc copy, unless that shot was on the last laser release as well.  I know the same documentary was.

He does not sound like Boba Fett from either the 1980 or 1997 Empire Strikes Back, but like the Bad Boba Fett redub of 2004.

What other bad prequels or 2004 special edition nonsense do you think Lucas will put into the game?

I wish Empire and Jedi had reference level prints available.  The only prints i know of that are unfaded were struck in the 1990's and are LPP and 16mm.

All 35mm and 70mm originals have red shift.  Not sure about re-releases.  Any re-releases on LPP should not be faded, nor should prints of the special edition.

The 70mm frames are a poor reference since they are taken from very faded 70mm print masters.  Especially Return of the Jedi, most shots are pink.

They must all be from pre LPP Eastman stock.

dark_jedi said:

Just a small update, I have ANH SE done and ESB SE will be done today, I am going to burn and watch them and make sure there are no issues, I was going to add some stuff to these but have changed my mind, I have to many projects going at once and am starting to get really Star Wars burned out, so they will be movie only DVD's with the LD DD 5.1 audio.

Oh and 1 more thing, msycamore has graciously put some his time to this project as well, he is doing all the sub work for me again, Thanks msycamore.

Looking forward to these.  The last time i saw these versions in anamorphic and multi channel audio was in 1997.

Love the website idea, thumbs up from this OOT fan.  Proud hater of the 2004 special edition and the prequels,lol.

Was he fired?

The mono mix on the original THX 1138 was great, and then Lucas replaced it on the directors cut with a bogus 5.1 track.

Also the original graffiti mono mix is nowhere available on video, or the theatrical studio cut.  The video cut before the cgi was the same as the theatrical re-release.  I know American Graffiti was always intended to be mixed in stereo but the initial release was in mono.

I also believe the so called theatrical cut on THX 1138 on laserdisc and vhs has scenes that were restored for a re-release or on video, the original had trims done by warners.

This was great fanfiltration, the only thing i really missed was an editdroid like isolated score.  With bonus material of the unused music, i think their are 3 cd's worth of  music while the restored extended official cd is one disc sadly.

There was a 3 disc bootleg floating around but since has been deleted probably from getting a cease and desist.

I would rather get complete Goldsmith scores, as much as i enjoy the complete Horner stuff, or that new jj composer.

So does anyone think philly would have won the world series without a roided up yankees team?

I think the Dolby Stereo is what theaters that did not have 5.1 would have had when the special editions were released, aka the optical analog track.

I am not sure but i think the 5.1 dolby, and dts were pretty much identical except the dts had a better frequency response and was 6 track on the 70mm prints.

Who cares about the blu ray since it will not have either theatrical versions, the 1977, or 1997 .

It will be total crap.  The new mix being created will suck too since Ben burtt does no longer work for Luca$film. Matthew wood is doing the mix, it will be garbage.

I found my Disc with the Audio and no longer need a link, thanks!

How many deleted scenes made it into the comic adaptation that is currently in progress?

I wonder if this is the print with the spliced in 81 crawl that came up on the market and a fan turned it down because the 77 crawl was missing.  From what i have read there may be only 2 surviving prints of this.  The other being in Lucas personal collection and has the original crawl intact

Too bad i don't live in Baltimore, and this was only a single showing.  The print is beautiful looking from that screen shot someone took with their camera.

I have heard of cases where they just spliced the 1981 crawl onto a 1977 print, and if that is the case it is a real shame.  Because it is not a complete 1977 IB tech print.

I am surprised they got away with the showing without Luca$h stormtroopers showing up, especially showing it for free meaning Lucas gets no money,lol.

My first reaction was the same as when i read it as a rumor, wtf.  The same thing with rumored aliens and area 51 in indy 4.  Wish that was wrong and never happened.

canofhumdingers said:

Heh, that was funny.  What was the music they were playing though?  It sounded very familiar & keeps making me think of some nintendo game from my childhood, but i can't quite place it...

AH! I just had an epiphany while typing.   It's the music for the boss ship thing levels in Mario 3! yep!

Believe it or not the music in the video Moth3r posted is from Holst the planets.

So did they use Holst in Mario 3? i mean the tempo is faster but they are very similar. 

Now i am not quite sure since it has been ages since i listened to it, but i believe this song is called "Mars the Bringer of War".  And was the temp track for star wars main title.

Erikstormtrooper said:

Chewtobacca said:

Erikstormtrooper said:

I think LFL's issue is that Prowse writes "David Prowse is Darth Vader", not just "David Prowse".

In that case, I understand Lucasfilm's objection, although I do not agree that Lucasfilm should be empowered to ban him from writing the slogan.  "David Prowse is Darth Vader" sounds awfully like he is minimising the contribution of other artists to the character. Why not just sign it "David Prowse"?  No one could justifiably object to that; it would identify him with the character without sounding as if others were being sidelined, and everybody would be happy.

I agree. But this has been going on for 33 years. It's not like Prowse just started doing this. Why was it OK up until now?

I don't know sounds like Lucash will now have Hayden Christensen sign  "Hayden is Vader" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Worst casting since Hayden Christensen for the Star Wars Prequels.

I did read that they want the same flavor as twilight for this film, and spider-man in high school.  A teen drama.  Lame.

I could see them cast this guy as Gilligan, if they made a Gilligan's Island movie, but Spider-man.  And in a low budget 3D movie with a no name director, fail all around this movie.

You know i just about have given up on the EU.  The last decent EU i can think of was the Legacy comics series and that has been canceled it ends at issue 50.  Also Kotor comics which had little to do with the games, also done.

New Comics will be probably tie ins to The Old Republic game, and a graphic novel adaptation of Force Unleashed II. 

The new novels in fate of the jedi are such low quality and come out so slowly that it is hard to care.  They and the other recent books are the reason tie in fiction has a bad name for a reason,lol.

I am sick of the clones already been done to death.  So has the spirit transfer idea, and whatever else bad idea was cooked up by Dark Empire or Kevin Anderson.

Funny thing is i would take some of the bad mid 90's EU any day over this prequel derived Lucashed Crap.

Al Williamson, had passed away.

This along with the passing of Frank Frazetta, is totally devastating to fans of their work.

Al's Work on the Star Wars newspaper strip was some of his best work.

Does anyone still have the pre Lowry HD raiders.

You should read the novels that came after the NJO they are absolutely wretched, politics and religion commentary garbage.