skyjedi2005

Murry Sparkles said:

Aleksbmw said:

I'ts the one with 2 extra discs containing the making of trilogy. Very sharp transfer i might add, almost like its trying to squeeze out of the format. The Disc mastering and pressing is grade A.

 

 Aleksbmw , do these LD'S have Japanese subtitles, if so will you be able to remove them ? 

They do have burnt in japan subtitles but the audio was PCM digital i believe and top notch picture. Picture ratio was 4:3.  Best preservation of these was the editdroid bonus discs.

So outside of buying pristine 16mm LPP prints they are the best the documentaries ever looked.

I think Star Wars and Empire making of were made on eastman pre LPP, never saw a print for jedi classic creatures.  The only LPP prints i was aware of were from star wars to jedi.  The color on the one i saw for sale at one point was near 35mm sharp.

Aleksbmw said:

I'ts the one with 2 extra discs containing the making of trilogy. Very sharp transfer i might add, almost like its trying to squeeze out of the format. The Disc mastering and pressing is grade A.

 

Ah the re-issue without the book.  That has the making of trilogy laserdiscs.  Making of star wars, SPFX and Classic Creatures.  The Japan equivalent to the faces discs CLV had a boxset with From Star Wars to jedi.  If you wanted all the remastered making ofs you either end up with multiple copies of the films, from star wars to jedi was only isued in this set with better quality and digital sound, or yuou could  have purchased the other  3 docos seperately instead of buying the 2nd definitive box. 

I am sure the second does not have the pressing issues as the first, like the initial American release.

There were multiple pressings of the first box in America and Japan.

No Fink-ism's you tell em chief.

Did you not know, OT is bizarro world, ask for a thread not to be derailed is the same as asking for it to be derailed,lol.

Didn't trump want them rebuilt and to have 1 of the floors as a memorial but people said leave the site as is and don't profit off the dead, or something like that.

I heard the rumor of them using Anakin's voice to scare the sand people years ago and hope it is false.  If it is not i will smash all copies of the blu ray,lol.  just kidding.

thecolorsblend said:

Well, obviously the originals are better. I disagree that the SE was a great idea though. The OOT is a product of the time in which it was made. No amount of computer upgrades can change the fact that ANH came out in 1977 and was made on a shoe-string budget.

The SE was never a good idea. Go on, remaster it, restore and remix the soundtrack but don't change the content of the films. The people who worked on the films, including Lucas himself, deserve more respect than that, in my opinion.

But if it has to be done, the originals should be not only preserved but also considered the official and definitive cuts, with the SE's regarded as... well, whatever one wants to think.

If that was the case then the prequels would have had to be conformed from the get go to the oot, and not the other way around.

 As it is there are still so many things that still need to be fixed to make the old trilogy agree with the prequels.  

I mean the discontinuities and age difference in the characters between the trilogies is so bad, why not just reshoot the whole original trilogy.

If think the original idea was to fix and repair the negative, do a clean up of bad optical effects, or whatever and then Lucas figured Fox would pay for the R&D and he would get it free and use it as a test bed for the prequels.

Aleksbmw said:

skyjedi2005 said:

I have always hated the smashing glass sounds so i hardly ever watch the factory pressed gout, that and the very stupid motion blur and DVNR.

 Hopefully the Japan special collection (mastered in the 80's) will look good on my gear; No DvNR and blur. The colorbalance is not too good but i have the perfect thing for that, an Elite Video Bvp-4+ that processes the signals in the analog domain without A/D and D/A.

One thing to be aware of is Star Wars was pressed in 1986 so it has the 1985 digital remix not the 1977 stereo mix.

The CAV full frame that came out in america in the previous year 1985 does have that theatrical mix, if only in low quality analog.  No professional digital transfer/remaster was ever done.  Though Belbecus did a transfer of it many moons ago on these forums.  And i have it on disc somewhere with the reference quality version and the patched version that can be synced to the gout.

The 1985 CAV had beautiful picture quality too bad it was only in pan and scan.  I think it was mastered from a newly made IP at the time, that was incidentally made in 1985 also. Too bad that pressing is notorious for Laser rot, if less so than the initial CLV pressing in 1982 which also had the theatrical stereo mix but they sped up the film and audio a bit to fit it.

Not that is makes any sense but i found the 1982 rental tape vhs actually sounded better in places than the 1985 CAV laserdisc, and both feature the same audio.

Sorry if i am rambling on again and for derailing the thread when i initially just had a question for the esteemed star wars audio expert extraordinaire, hairy hen,lol.

Aliens Japan Special Collection?

They succeeded in their mission it was to create chaos and fear.  What they did not think would happen was we would regroup and rebuild and come back stronger.

I have heard the version on blu ray is the censored version, which i why i am boycotting the release.

I see it is not as bad as say taking a 4:3 film and stretching it into 16:9 boy what an awful mess that is.  I saw some samples once when CBS was doing a test for 16:9 remastered star trek versus the 4:3, they went with the 4:3 obviously.  even if the new effects were produced in 16:9.

I saw an HD broadcast in 16:9 then noticed the later ones were pillarboxed,lol.  Guess they learned their lesson.

I have even heard the studios tried widescreen versions of Gone with The Wind and Wizard of OZ.  cropped.  Whose great idea was that.

The new thing is they want to roll out 2:35:1 tv sets.  Which would cut the subtitles off on star wars unless they were in the center of the frame.

I was stunned actually everyone was.  My Church even moved up service from Sunday to Saturday night, where there was no preaching really only stunned silence in morning for the dead.

I was talking about how HD transfers and broadcasts are cropped to fit peoples 16:9 displays because they hate black bars.  The idiocy is astounding.

Chewtobacca said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Almost every release of every film ever made (on film) is cropped somewhat.  It's not that the Blu-Ray is cropped while the D-Theater version isn't.  It's that the framing is done slightly differently.

I know that, but there seems to be a fair bit of cropping here to me, and I was also commenting on the trend towards tighter cropping of BD releases in general, and wondering why.  For example, the remastered Gangs of New York BD is pretty heavily cropped.

I agree with you in not disliking the new color timing though.

Because of the idiotic complaint of black bars, the same as in not understanding that film is supposed to have grain.  Same with the louder is better people for liking their cd's dynamics to be ruined.

Why not sale 2 different versions the ruined one that looks like video, and the filmlike version for purists.

Is there a stereo 2.0 ac3 file for star wars?

Or is it only PCM.

I have always hated the smashing glass sounds so i hardly ever watch the factory pressed gout, that and the very stupid motion blur and DVNR.

Yet the fidelity on the PCM on the definitive laserdiscs is the best the films have ever sounded in their original forms on home video.  A shame really. They should have just used the 70mm on the DVD release, or did they lose the master copy?

The PCM is obviously not as good as the original 70mm, but the fidelity obviously blows away any 35mm optical DOLBY print.

The effects on the 1997 mix were astounding in theaters you actually felt a rumble during the death star trench run, or during the initial star destroyer fly over.  Not sure if this was DSS sound or DOLBY Digital stereo.

To each their own likes i guess.  I would prefer they source them from the negative and use no dvnr and leave the emulsion grain alone.

I remember how horror slowly turned into a lust for Revenge.  Which led us into 2 wars with no end in sight,and still the borders are not protected well if people from mexico came easily come across them so can al quida.

They used too much dvnr on the blu ray of alien.  The ceiling grate being completely blurred is a dead giveaway.

When someone said they were using Lowry and an algorithm instead of frame by frame i knew it would be a disaster.

The automated system obviously saw the background detail as noise just like it did the starfield in star wars, wow what hackwork.  It is just like Lord of the Rings all over again the HD broadcast is preferable.

The funny thing is people were worried about aliens but that looks better than the broadcast using subtle dvnr.  The dvnr on Alien is an abomination.

No sale.  Time to track down the quadrilogy box DVD.  Which i have rented in the past but don't own.

Bingowings said:

Adywan said he intended on doing the whole saga quite early on (I hope he doesn't burn himself out though I'd rather have a fully functioning Adywan in the world than another Revisited project no matter how good it may be).

I agree and if he never gets around to doing those awful prequels so much the better.  I would rather watch his version of the original trilogy when finished.

So hopefully Lucas is not powerful enough to boycott a DVD release.

Poor Alexandre Phillipe if he ever wants to make it in the film industry he is in trouble, Lucas is known to hold grudges for life.

Look at Dale pollock, Gary kurtz, and now David prowse.

adywan said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Agreed, I'm very excited about this.  It'll be the perfect companion piece to Ady's ESB reconstruction.

Now we just need someone to do a proper ANH recon ...

I'm going to be doing ANH reconstruction after ESB:R is finished

Wow man you are awesome. 

http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dV/dF/d6/dU/VF6U_3.MP3

This was awesome hot waffles singing george lucas raped our childhood and talking about the documentary,lol.

My memories of seeing Return of the Jedi are based on a pristine 35mm Lpp print from 1985 so no DVD is ever going to replicate that especially the GOUT.

When i had money i had looked for jedi on 16mm and super8mm, now that i don't have that kind of money the hope of ever seeing it on film again is zero.

I saw Empire first on VHS and was not impressed.  Saw Star Wars on a bootleg tape recorded from an HBO broadcast.  The first time i was blown away by Star Wars was in 1985 when i saw Return of the Jedi in a small theater.  It was exciting and far better than the other 2 movies as a child who found them slow and boring.

If the Holiday Special was shot on video it really is not a film, lol.