skyjedi2005

Video Collector said:

zombie84 said:

You are right, but PAL speedup has nothing to do with whether it was camcorded or not.

I must, respectfully, disagree. A camcorded movie would have no PAL speedup, even if it was shot with a PAL camera.

Think about it, if a movie had been camcorded from a 24fps projection, the runtime of the recording would be the same wether it was captured on a PAL camcorder or an NTSC one.

Let me put it this way, it would take 2 hours to camcord a 2 hour movie, no matter if you were using a PAL or an NTSC camera. When played back, the recording would clock in at the same 2 hours regardless.

The Empire boot plays back at the faster framerate (4% faster than the theatrical runtime), which means, almost certainly,  that it was captured at 24fps and is played back at 25fps. Capturing 24fps for video can only be done on a telecine (or a scanner). Ergo: Not camcorded.

I believe that when this was done Video was incapable of 24fps.

Is not video closer to 29 or 30 frames per second ?

I mean on Beta or VHS of the time period.  Of course with Blu ray you can have 24fps.

BloodnoseThePirate said:

I know i posted a topic not too long ago about tarkin but...

http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/chewbacca_returns/index.html

I hope this does not get me banned but i have to say it.  Lucas sucks.

Jedi Rocks does not rock.

You would not have happened by chance to record the 70mm for Jedi in 1983 did you ?

I don't think Indiana Jones V will happen.

Spielberg is booked for like forever as a producer/executive producer and director.

Ford may be available after making that Cowboys and Aliens thing, and Lucas is certainly available he aint directing shit.

dark_jedi said:

fffffff said:

does the Bonus set have the subtitles?

Yes, all sets have subtitles now, that is another improvement over my earlier versions, I actually forgot them on some, and didn't know how to do them on others.

And here i thought he was talking about if you removed the burned in japan subtitles that made the V1 all but unwatchable of your Japan special collection DVD's.

They worked exclusively as a direct preservation of the laserdisc.  No trying to improve the video, or making it anamorphic etc.

Wow this thread has de-evolved into a TFN apologist piece.

Is it confirmed that your THX 1995 set comes from the same master as Moth3r's ?

As a sock perhaps, i dunno ?

Only Moth3r or Jay could say unless the person has logged on from a proxy.

TV's Frink said:

Anyway, the real reason I resurrected this thread:

Day 52: Project Offline

Project Cancelled

*shock*

yeah he e-mailed me his cancellation notice and no reason why.

His raw files for the RSO ROTJ were great sounding.

All he had to do was Cut them up into tracks and encode them as Flac.

I thankfully still have the raws on disc someplace.  That and the 7FN transfers is quite enough for the music in Vinyl quality.

I don't have a Google account and his blog does not take posts without a log in.

He had my E-mail address and could have asked me my opinion.  He did not.

He asked me for links for a star wars thing and then stops communicating with me.

What is the quality of the Droids tapes like the Great Heep for instance ?

Those ewoks caps look fantastic.

To continue to bury the oot, and ruin star wars.

And to make Money. 

Hey i hated when they inserted the death star into episode III and put tarkin in there.

I did not mind chewbacca being in the movie, but he had no real role to play he was just a fanwank moment, and did we really need chewie and yoda to be pals ?

The worst things in Clone Wars have come from Lucas himself.

The show can be really fun and great when the other people are allowed to shine.

I like how they added design touches here and there from the oot, yeah even in that horrible clone wars movie when they referenced R .MQ's work on JEDI.

Star Wars 1977.

Second favorite probably Raiders of the Lost Ark because it is such a fun movie to watch, and better than any of the other films.

I must say the pal VHS tapes even look better than the video quality of the butchered late 90's video edit of the tapes as a feature in the USA.

Never mind the quality of the 80's video tapes if any are still in existence without tape rot nearly thirty years later.

I had bought a sealed copy of the Star Wars fox video rental tape.  The very first release.  When i opened it and played it had mild rot even though it tracked perfectly fine.

So i wonder if the tapes for the cartoons would be in the same shape, that is if they are not what usually ends up on the market at insane prices being much used rental tapes.

The 1992 are from the same masters as the earlier releases before the THX remastering, so even though they don't have the rot problems of the earlier releases and have digital sound, they don't look spectacular.  Though they do look better than the VHS tapes from the same era.

The 1995 pan and scan faces VHS looks a lot better, but they cleaned up the picture with Digital cleanup.

Both have been preserved in the past by dark jedi as preservations.

I cannot be of any help to you however since all my copies are now rotten.

The absolute best rips i have seen are the editroid, but they come from the japanerse laserdiscs so they have burned in subtitles.  Some other did them from the US laserdiscs and VHS tapes.

But those were never remastered digitally or had digital sound.

Classic Creatures, and From Star Wars to Jedi were only ever released in other territories on Laserdisc.

I have the french release of from star wars to jedi, but it is in pal and i am not sure if its dubbed or burned in french subtitles.  I do know it is analog audio only and from a non remastered source.

The making of star wars, and SPFX were released in pal in the nineties in the UK and those apparently were the last English language releases.

These apparently were also in the executor box set in Europe.

Making of Star Wars and SPFX were released on Betamax in the states as well as CED.  CED would be a bad source, but if you could find some sealed copies without tape rot of the betamax perhaps they would yield a better image than the VHS, i dunno.

That Pal tape capture almost looks like DVD quality.

It must be nice to live in pal land because you can get a pal vhs deck, or laserdisc player for very little.  But if you try and buy them when you live in the States, you have to deal with shipping issues, inflated cost, and voltage differences.

So the laser bolt censoring only came in for the 1997 special edition ?

I hate that censoring as well as greedo shooting.

I mean considering they originally were going to have exploding arms and faces, going by the novelization and the alex tavoularis storyboards.

The censoring of the burn marks on the imperials is really dumb, as dumb as walkie talkies in E.T.

There was another thread on this yet nothing became of it.

see here

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/droids-preservation-ideas/topic/10712/

zombie84 said:

There were a couple people here who had prints and tried to do something with them, but they are long gone as far as I know. I would suggest trying some 35mm collecting forums, and also not advertising that you will be transferring them to video. Any print you will get your hands on will be extremely rough though, so make no illusions about what you are up against. It will take a long time to clean it, unless you have access to proprietary software and hardware like Lowry. If the print is good, be prepared to spend four figures on it also. This sort of thing is probably the "greyest" area of home video collecting, as it is clearly illegal, so I'm not even sure how open you want to be about posting it on this forum.

If you have professional frame-by-frame scanners, or even a regular pro telecine, that will get HD results, you might want to consider a 16mm print. There are a few low-fade LPP prints from the 1980s out there that, when cleaned up, would get you better-than-DVD level of detail in an HD scan. More importantly though, it's much cheaper and easier to find (eBay), and slightly less "illegal" because 16mm isn't seen as a real piracy threat.

There were low fade prints struck on 16mm in the 1990's.  Two such prints one of empire and the other jedi were sold on the 8mm forum.  Empire was bought by someone on these boards.

I did not have the funds or i would have purchased Jedi.  Both were not dupes, both struck from an original source negative. Probably the very same prints made in the 1990's for fan conventions and official printed by Lucasfilm before the special edition. These were supposed to have been destroyed but somehow made their way into collectors hands.

The reduction 16mm print that was recently up on ebay of jedi is clearly a dupe made from a faded 35mm release print and probably a bootleg if not a foreign made print, or military purposes print.

The super8mm one was officially licensed by Derann, and it on no fade LPP mylar stock.  It was released on magnetic mono.  Some collectors rerecorded the print into stereo but that ruins the collectibility of the print because for preservation purposes it would only be good for the video since they erased the theatrical audio in replaced it with the laserdisc audio.

Also these prints with magnetic and not optical audio are problematic to ship because placing them near any magnets will wipe the recorded audio.

The transformers 3 trailer sucked.  Not only did they show absolutely nothing, but the music was awful.

Pirates 4 will probably be at least a decent B grade Saturday matinee film with a budget that most A films don't get,lol.

I will see Transformers 3, but that does not mean i don't think it won't suck.  Since i saw All three prequels of star wars, regardless  of how bad episode 1 was.  Guess i just enjoy watching crap genre flicks.

But not as much as i enjoy well made ones like the original star wars trilogy, or lord of the rings trilogy.

The roids user retired, Clemens buddy who misspoke of the Rockets use of steroids,lol.

I don't follow pro sports any more its all fixed by cheating.

I thought college sports were corrupt and bad, but man Football and Baseball really take the cake on poor sportsmanship.

The reason i will never watch another Patriots or Red Sox game again.

See i am not just hating on the Yankees for allegedly being the biggest cheaters in the history of the game.

I hate when someone cheats and steals an election, but i also hate it when Sports stars who make millions cheat at Americas Sports. 

bkev said:

Now now, let's settle down a bit. I was his age when I first showed up here, believe it or not.

But that was your other alias long since abandoned JediKev,

I think it would be intresting if Vader did indeed kill Luke's father

Then Jedi really would have been about Revenge rather than redemption of the father.

It would fit the classic kung fu, judo or samurai stereotype of the student avenging the master, that on top of an adversary who killed the heroes father.

It would also have been about restoring honor to the  jedi  school by bringing Vader a fallen Jedi who misuses his training to justice.

Lucas instead decided to go with a more traditional mythological idea of the villain being the father, also very Freudian or Jungian, but certainly absorbed by Joseph Campbell.