TV's Frink said:
Whenever we have these "which order to watch" discussions I have to throw out the 4-5-1-2-3-6 idea.
*throw*
I personally think the best order is star wars '77, episode V, and then episode VI. 1977-1983 only.
Puggo you made my day with that post, spot on about the prequels. I laughed pretty hard from your post, it was hilarious.
My favorite was "they are train wrecks, but at least they suck". LOL.
I think the DVDs are good enough to gift to people.
My bro has an HD set and no blu ray player, but i think he will be pretty surprised with your V3.
Still trying to find a company with reliable dual layer media since practically all verbatims are now made in India and are junk. 50% failure rate for some people is not acceptable.
Guess i will have to pay a pirates ransom and get some expensive archive quality dvd9's which match up to the quality of the dvd5's of taiyo yuden.
Avengers in shot in 3-D video, as far as i'm aware it will be done that way. And they are going to most likely do JJverse Trek 2 in 3-D which means he won't direct it cause he hates 3-D.
You have not put yourself to the wonder of the torture of reading the new main line of novels not spin offs or one shots but featuring the old trilogies characters. Horrible soap opera -ish Ben Skywalker and a Sith Girl,lol.
With an insane Daala who is like a total fascist, crazy Jedi who act like elitist religious people outside the bounds of the Galactic alliance constitution and above the law, and then more generic sith because the already used the vong.
Han Solo as a doting Grandfather/father.
Worse thing they ever did was kill Chewie off.
What does Han do in his retirement when no longer a smuggler and no more Chewie, run of the mill boring crap.
I was not mocking you but the very idea that Empire should even be mentioned at all with crap like the Matrix and decent but not super great serenity.
The Whedon fans are just very i don't know the word, maybe over-rating his skills, sort of like those JJ Abrams New School Trek people.
Firefly on the other hand is a good western in space, must like the original star trek and should not have been canceled.
Whedon is talented. Still does not make me go out and support this crazy 3-D and HD-Cam craze Hollywood is on while abandoning actual film.
For instance i am totally against Peter Jackson shooting the Hobbit on Video and in 3D, instead of in super35 like the trilogy, but hey i will watch it on film if film still exists when it comes out if not i won't go to see it in theaters.
I trust you ady. If you say Phantom will look the best it ever has on home video then it will.
It still won't be a 4k scan of the actual o-neg however since that would make the effects not match in quality, and also the other 2 are stuck at 1080P so its all downhill from there,lol.
Those clips look fine indeed.
But still the Phantom Menace won't be the theatrical. Won't have the theatrical audio will have those added scenes and a new badly added cgi yoda.
I hope its only because of the lowres on the trailer, but the phantom menace scenes look not very well detailed as if there is too much dvnr.
And i still say that it looks over saturated and like video and not filmlike because of theire being little to no grain and overly bright colors, but to each their own.
I did not see Phantom in DLP so perhaps this is how it is supposed to look. Overly soft and colors too bright was a symptom of the prequels if i remember. So they did the same with the 2004 original trilogy to match which was horrendously done.
They probably only did a 1080 or 2k scan at the most for menace when because the effects were rendered at a fixed resolution. But the film itself should be scanned ,i mean the o-neg,at least at 4k.
The oot should be scanned in at least 4k, if not 8k like Wizard of Oz.
All I know from Zombies article is that the saga is stuck in less than film quality because of Lucas. DLP and video are garbage and no substitute for the real thing.
But then can get as close as possible if they scan at a high enough resolution and do no dvnr on the blu ray.
I mean the original King Kong Blu ray looks almost as good or better than a release print, if only some scenes look very dupy because of stop motion and its limitations.
It has everything to do with the opening on this thread. Complaints of editing to make the prequels fit the oot, when the prequels as they are should not even have been made.
I see no need for Lucas to change Empire at all. The 2004 edits to make the film fit the prequels made even less sense than what he made with the prequels.
I see the prequels basically as an experiment that went wrong or an add on that is not really necessary just like the 1997 and 2004, does not need to take away the enjoyment of the oot, while at the same time is not necessary for the enjoyment of said films. In fact only seeing the oot is infinitely preferable.
As for FAN Edits l i don't have to tell anyone that i dislike them in general and i only really care about preservation, but if i wanted to see a special edition i would watch ady's. His color correction of Empire using the 2004 source is remarkable.
Anyone know if there is a place where this is still seeded, i don't use newsgroups.
I agree ady. Empire is great in that way, and the prequels diminished much that was great about the oot.
As much as i like Foster he writing is not very star wars.
The novel is like a different take on the film.
Splinter is almost fan fiction it is so bad, yet i have a soft spot for these books because of nostalgia.
The euphoria, rollicking adventure of the 77 film is just not there on the printed page.
Even the radio drama which i fiend preferable to the novel, does not capture the film in its essence due to the extreme length and slowness of much unnecessary exposition.
Maybe sometime someone will document Lucas destruction and burying of the oot over time, in a documentary or in writing.
I personally no longer care, and don't have the time or credibility to do so.
Its laughable to compare bad modern cgi crap to real films.
They never did one for Return of the Jedi, before the special online features expired.
That is because Empire is much more a character piece. Which really is where Kershner is good, and where Kasden's writing strength is when not limited by Lucas control.
Jedi is an action piece much more like star wars than Empire is. A swashbuckler like star wars but even more juvenile than that first film was.
Jedi made more than Empire. Empire almost cost Lucas everything because the film went three times over budget over time in shooting.
Marquand knew how to do quick and cheap set ups and coming from a documentary background like Lucas, he was much more aligned to Lucas vision than Kersh was.
On Empire as beautiful as the photography is, and that the finished film was marvelous, Kersh almost went to Kubrick style levels in the filming and set ups, totally out of bounds in a Lucas production.
timdiggerm said:
"No. I am your father."
I've seen people say on here that, when editing ROTS, they want to preserve the Vader-is-Anakin reveal. Why?
I ask, because I don't remember ever not knowing this fact (disclosure: born in 1987). I don't remember ever being surprised by Vader's statement. I understand that, for 1980 audiences, this was a huge revelation, and it may have been the most memorable thing about the film, but does a surprise here really make ESB a better film?
Its gotten pretty easy for me. Now all i watch is the 1977-1983 theatrical trilogy. I just disregard the prequels i would rather pretend there is only 3 films, just like with Indiana Jones, of which the fourth film i don't even own it was such a turkey of a film and not Indiana Jones at all.
I do the same with the new bond and new star treks or superman films they don't exist and i refuse to buy them.
Only new take or continuation of a franchise i enjoyed Nolan's Batman films.
Not only is that trailer horribly put together, but came completely unheralded.
I would not even know about it but by the mention in this thread. TFN never mentioned it in a headline and the official site which is now shit and impossible to navigate it is hard to find unless you find the article on the blu rays and the attached video.
The bad 2004 colors of the SE 2004 OT completely unfixed, blacks still crushed and now phantom menace with even worse colors than the original DVD, pinks might be gone but now the colors are bumped up and overly bright and super saturated nothing like the 35mm release in 1999.
I hope there is a DVD i cannot watch HD on my PC and i don't have a PS3 or a blu ray player and have no intention of buying one.
If there is not I can also understand since this is not my project and i have no say.
The Aluminum Falcon said:
Watched the V8. It's nice seeing the unaltered ANH with no DVNR smearing. However, to be fair, you're met with a picture less clear and with less accurate colors than the GOUT. The V8 kinda makes me nostalgic. It reminds me of the amazement I felt when I found a 1985 VHS of the original Star Wars and watched it so much. I was just a kid back then and was surprised at it being different than the 1997 versions. The V8's color timing is the same... looks to be the same transfer. Thanks for uploading Asaki. I'll seed as long as I can.
Now if it only had the 35mm mix it would be a perfect DVD, the 1985 is on so many preservation it is sad and it is crap as far as i'm concerned.
Really an experiment in early digital home audio mixes for films, if not for the added and missing content the 1993 mix would be definitive.
I have the laserdisc and i wish it had any of the 3 theatrical mixes. All it has is the 1985 as digital and analog.
I see so there must be a reason Lucas does not want it seen then.
Kind of like how he wishes a book like Skywalking would not have been made.
Hey Cameron and Katzenberg are alright in my book.
I liked Avatar, and i love Star Trek the motion picture that Jeff K is largely responsible for spearheading.
Lucas on the other hand i would not want to listen to.
The only thing i ever want to hear from him is if he is making new movies that are not indiana jones or star wars, or if he will change his stance and allow the original star wars trilogy to be restored even if it comes out of someone elses pocket.
If there is no validity then where is the public challenge of Lucas stance.
I know of no other case where a director has tried to systematically erase a set of films from existence or tried to rewrite history.
Lucas is such a giant in the industry nobody will challenge him not even his peers.
I mean come on the Murnau foundation can all but restore the original Metropolis once thought lost but a relatively modern film from 1977 is lost by the director himself, its ludicrous.
Wanna bet Parbot owns the copyright and not Lucasfilm and they would have to pay him a pretty penny to sell the rights.
Something tells me he would not want that anyway since he does not want it shown, which is strange.
I mean its referenced in the making of book by Rinzler in like a single paragraph.
Making it available even through folks like the BBC or PBS in the USA would be ideal because of its educational value to film students, or to film history studies.
What about a kindle version or does that fit under ebook too ?
To me ebook in a negative sense means looking at a PC screen, not a tablet type of device that is well lit and either booksize or magazine size.