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#500563
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'Raiding The Lost Ark' - a filmumentary. (Released)
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The raiders story of was specially mixed by Burtt for the LP, so they chose pieces of dialog from the film, there are sound effects not in the movie.

I think they created it for a audio experience in mind, and not a digest version of the film like those star wars ones.


Speaking of digests i wonder if someone can find and transfer the super8mm sound and color film digest put out by marketing films.

Not sure if that would be any use though since there were no differences except with audio between the 35mm and the 70mm.

The differences being minor or fixes as Neil S Bulk once pointed out the 35mm has wrong sound effects.

 

Some of the storyboards i think were featured in the illustrated screenplay, but not the Dave Stevens ones i think which have never been published for some reason.

Digging up old cinefex or American cinematographer issues would be sweet as well, if anyone has them.

The making of raiders and great movie stunts was released on USA laserdisc, did DFNYC do that one ?

 

You could probably also source that stunt scene from stagecoach and zorro that they copied for the truck scene, is you wanted to.

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#500561
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opinions on film restoration/preservation and how it applies to Star Wars - what do you think should/should not be allowed?
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Well the thing with Blade Runner final cut is that Ridley saved the original pieces of opticals used, done in 65mm.

You can obviously get better quality from a 70mm negative than VistaVision opticals.

I am not sure but i think they recomped the effects with digital tech, outside of the new cgi the effects were all original optical pieces.

 

With Digital and modern tech you can almost have zero generation loss, having things look as good as they were lensed by the cinematographer, problem is there is no final color pass on the raw footage,lol.

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#499409
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Official Star Wars Facebook Page
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Don't think i could tweet with that Lucas girl and not get into a heated fight.

Would not get very far until i mentioned how her dad destroyed both star wars and indiana jones both in 9 short years.

Or how terrible Hayden Christensen is as a choice for an actor in pretty much any film.  How he ruined darth vader, with Lucas couching to be as awful and wooden as possible.

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#499407
Topic
opinions on film restoration/preservation and how it applies to Star Wars - what do you think should/should not be allowed?
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So S-Matt what you want is what the special edition was originally supposed to be not a true restoration, but making the film look better by recompositing the effects and cleaning up the image and making it sound better.

But no story material changed or any cartoon cgi added, just things like matte lines and garbage mattes removed.

I think that would have been a nice 20th anniversary release, i mean as long as the real original was also restored faithfully in a true restoration warts and all.

 

I could live with the 20th anniversary version without messed up colors, without cartoon cgi and with annoying blemished like garbage mattes removed as long as the real version was not erased from existence.

 

Not sure the millions of folks who along like myself went to see the 1997 versions knew they were helping in the final destruction and suppression of the originals and helping doing so, or there would have been at least a few protests.

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#499404
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opinions on film restoration/preservation and how it applies to Star Wars - what do you think should/should not be allowed?
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Harmy quote sorry i cut only the section i wanted to reply to.

modern CGI animation can also be used to do the exact same thing as models and motion control cameras but with infinitely more precision and control, does that justify it's use in old movies?

 

Have to disagree here models look real and cgi looks fake.

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#499401
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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What i find to be the most ridiculous of all is there is a piece on the blu ray's on empire 30th anniversary, yet that anniversary had no restored DVD release or blu ray, and the fact the real film from 1980 is not on this set is beyond any sort of sanity.

It is not even there on the set as a thank you or a job well done for the recently passed Kersh, or there as a testament to his cemented legacy.

The fact someone wrote a better script than Lucas, and someone directed a star wars film better than Lucas is not to be accepted ever by Mr Lucas.  And would not happen again after 1980.

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#499114
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Lord of the Rings Trilogy - Extended Edition coming to Blu-Ray
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Harmy said:

 

Oh, I just found the answer myself:

Each movie is spread across two Blu-ray discs and has a 6.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack, whileFellowship of the Ring has been treated to a remastering from the original 2K digital files.

 

So they are all but admitting the bad transfer on fellowship BD disc, even though they had a couple highly respected review sites play apologist since they got the release from the studio early and for free.

That the HDTV broadcast 720P rip  floating around on the net had less  dvnr speaks volumes about their poor quality release.

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#499113
Topic
opinions on film restoration/preservation and how it applies to Star Wars - what do you think should/should not be allowed?
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I want to see the real star wars imax material shot on 70mm film for that ben burtt documentary, or a conversion of the oot to 3-D only after seeing a restored theatrical run of prints.

Won't pay to see the 2004 on DLP 2D, 3D or anything else for that matter.  That counts many times over for the prequels.  Though an Imax cut of Revenge would have been interesting at least just for the opening scene in space.  Minus the ridiculous buzz droids crap that scene was spectacular, oh i also have to point out the fake cgi pilots that sound like jango fetts, horrible there too.

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#499111
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AVATAR and 3D in general....
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The matinee for 3-D Imax is 14.00.

12.50 on a saturday i think, and for all non new releases or showcase titles.

Avatar was indeed 20 +dollars a ticket, for the extended cut.

Which i did not bother going to see.

There are some second run theaters that show maybe 2 or 3 films in some nearby towns or cities, but usually old releases of family fare or cartoons.

And the prints are of course very worn.  The seating uncomfortable the place dirty and the sound none too good.

Never will we see 6.50 evening prices for first run films ever again or even 5.50 or whatever the price was when the local theater was showing the special edition of return of the jedi in 1997.

When a matinee was i think 4.50 cents.

The first film i can remember paying more than 5 bucks to see in a theater first run was Star Trek First Contact.

Since then prices have doubled for regular films, tripled for 3-D.

 

Last film i paid full price to see a even 10 dollars was Indiana Jones IV, complete and utter waste of time and money, crap and awful movie which was laughably bad.

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#499108
Topic
Anyone hate Return of the Jedi?
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Also i forgot the damn film should have never been changed since Marquand directed it and Lucas decides to change it after his death, talk about a bad decision.

Changing someones elses film after they can no longer disagree with the changes or defend their work, spells class.

I also worry about the future of empire strikes back, since Kersh is no longer around to stop him making ridiculous changes, he approved the minor changes in 1997, i doubt he knew about changing Boba Fetts voice to Jango Fetts in 2004.  Not sure he would approved of that change. Or perhaps since he was a director work for hire, even though Lucas promised no meddling and final cut, maybe Kersh knew in the end it was Lucas film and he could not stop any changes or maybe he did not care.

The only film Lucas by his own words should have had a right to change is star wars.  He believes it is the directors prerogative to go back and reinvent a movie, he did not direct empire and jedi.  His belief that a studio or some other should not change the film of an artist or director is humorous since he went and did the same thing he spoke out against.

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#499106
Topic
Anyone hate Return of the Jedi?
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Nope i love Jedi even with its goofy quirks, the only time i have hated something about it to the point of being incensed with rage was when Hayden was stuck into the movie in 2004.

I wanted to throw the disc in the trash.

The one i hate above all is Revenge of the Sith.  Lucas had a chance to redeem himself and make a good movie at least 1 out of 3, instead he had overacting Hayden And Ian, yoda in the senate with the emperor slinging stuff at him like a warner bros cartoon, the nooooooooooooo!, don't try it anakin i have the high ground, stupid scene over the lava while jumping from platform to platform like a videogame.


Also Jedi Rocks sucks. That of course was a hated addition in 1997. For Jedi i mean, just had to throw in my hate for the prequels.

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#498640
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What do you LIKE about the EU?
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What i like about the EU, other writers getting to write star wars, not just Lucas.

Who pretty much since Return of the Jedi has controlled the entire show, even though then he had input from Marquand or Kasden.

Then starting with episode 1 he decided to write and direct the rest by himself without any help except the art department, huge mistake in my opinion, other fans think it was a plus since he finally achieved his vision.

But if the prequels were the vision he intended for the oot then i would have never become a fan, and Lucas would not be a household name and a visionary to so many.

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#498636
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opinions on film restoration/preservation and how it applies to Star Wars - what do you think should/should not be allowed?
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Well i was basically reiterating what i read from John Dykstra's article in the 1977 star wars issue of American Cinematographer, a mag that also describes building the Dykstraflex motion control system, and creating the DOLBY mixes for the film, quite indispensable even today.

 

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#498632
Topic
Does it depress you...
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generalfrevious said:

The Russians took people out of photographs, GL took actors out in the new versions of the OT (Sebastian Shaw and Clive Revill). How is that not the same thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union

http://www.digitalbits.com/reviews3/starwarschanges02.html

Sure, changing a movie is not as extreme as totalitarian oppression, but it is the same form of censorship.

In this case though, is not Greedo shooting first Politically correct nonsense, not necessarily Communism or National Socialism aka Nazi.

 

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#498625
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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R2D2 said:

from the official site:
http://www.starwars.com/movies/saga/bluraymay4/index.html

"Fans will get an exclusive first look at some of the collection's extensive special features at this year's San Diego Comic-Con International -- which marks Lucasfilm's 35th anniversary as a Comic-Con presence. In 1976, the fledgling film company was looking for innovative, grass-roots ways to promote its underdog release, a film no one expected to succeed -- a space opera known (at the time) only as Star Wars. One of the first film companies to reach out directly to core audiences by way of fan conventions, Lucasfilm will return to the venue to showcase the full evolution of the epic story with a special first look at STAR WARS: THE COMPLETE SAGA ON BLU-RAY. "

 

A set without the actual films that created the legend, its just plain insane.

Complete Star Wars Saga ?

LOL.  The complete saga when i was growing up was and is still as far as i'm concerned the oot, which is nowhere on this set

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#498493
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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kenkraly2007 said:

Matthew Wood and Ben Burtt are good sound designers and  it's a shame that Matt gets a bad rap for the 2004 remix of A New Hope. But in fairness they only had a short amount of time to do the remix back in 2004.

I sometimes wonder if it was more time or less than what Lowry was given 30 days,lol.

Talk about quality control for a DVD release.

 

I also read another discussion where it was remarked they had 3 weeks or less for the cleanup of the DVD footage, so either way its not enough time, and even then Lucas quality checked the footage personally and said nothing about the bad color timing, indeed they were his choices, even though he then went against the choice of having the Tantive IV corridor white again in Sith.

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#498491
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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TV's Frink said:

kenkraly2007 said:

Ok I am sorry but I am just wondering about the blu-ray audio and what it will sound like as most of the fans are. 

Then stop saying things you couldn't possibly know like "it will sound great."

Going by the 2004 mix of Star Wars it will not sound great.  Matthew Wood is doing the blu ray mix for star wars, up til now there was no word of new mixes for empire or jedi, but i think the DTS HD Master Audio 6.1 makes it almost a confirmed fact. 

He also did the new mixes on empire and jedi in 2004, but there were hardly any complaints over those.  It was star wars that was botched.

The last mixes confirmed to be Burtt mixes were the 1997 special editions and the prequels.  But Matt Wood also did some work on the prequels working under Burtt, he is now the senior sound designer at Lucasfilm.  Burtt went to work for Pixar/Disney, and is also freelance, see star Trek 2009,lol.  Burtt was also the prequels video editor, of one film and 2 videos.

And even though he handed off a good deal of Revenge of the Sith and the 2004 DVD original trilogy  special edition mixes to wood, somehow Burtt was able to do most if not all the commentary on the dvd's almost being exclusively a rambling on how the sound design was done.

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#498484
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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TV's Frink said:

Fail. 

Anyone else want to explain this to ken?  I'm too damn tired.

What that you were mocking him and making fun and he was totally oblivious to this fact, sorry FINK but not my style to subtitle the underlined unspoken meaning of a post.

Or that he could not take his own advice or was a hypocrite  because he claimed the colors would be fixed without having the blu ray in his home to view ?

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#498468
Topic
Game of Thrones (HBO)
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TheBoost said:

skyjedi2005 said:

As adaptations go they never get them right, even the best case scenario as in Peter Jackon's Lord of the Rings leaves a lot to be desired.

 Because there is no 'right.'

List any complaint you have with LOTR films, say any change you'd make, and some other fan will say "no that's totally against the spirit of the work!!"

Actually Since Tolkien is the author the author is where to look.

They got away with abominable changes because he sold the rights. But early on when they wanted to make films he was against any and all changes.

That is Why the film is Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings and not Jrr Tolkien's Lord of the Rings.

The films came out of the merchandising arm of Saul Zaentz company called Tolkien enterprises which has nothing to do with the Tolkien estate, if it did you could be rest assured Christopher Tolkien would have vetoed any and all changes to his fathers work.

I am glad Christopher Tolkien has the Silmarillion protected from Hollywood and the rest of Tolkiens writing, except for the finished manuscripts of the hobbit the lord of the rings and its appendices.  Zaentz has no rights to history of middle earth or the silmarillion, or the drafts of the hobbit and lord of the rings and other middle earth material.

The bare material hinted at in the appendices is not enough to make a second hobbit film, so jackson and co are making shit up that is not in any tolkien text.

If Tolkien had lived so long i think he would have kept authorial control, when he sold the rights for cash there was no chance of them being made into films as no studio back then would spend upwards of over 50 million dollars, nor was the material worth billions in term of a possible franchise.

 

The Tolkien estate was livid with the changes but more than happy to accept the royalties which they had to sue to collect and then have settled out of court.

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#498463
Topic
Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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Really i remmber reading they were going to do DTS interesting.  Still does not change the fact that the THX blu ray is in dts HD.

Star Wars and Dolby were paired together long before there was digital audio in every theater.

Since as Far as i understand it DTS HD Master audio 6.1 is a codec, and not a soundmix the point still stands.

Also if the Trilogy does indeed get new mixes done with DTS it remains to be seen.  It is possible these are just DOLBY Mixes in a DTS container.

Skywalker Sound and DOLBY  have been a team for a long time, i could not understand them pairing up with DTS digital to do new mixes, but whatever.