skyjedi2005

Episode 1 is sort of okay as a disney kids movie but not a star wars film, Jake is annoying in the film as Anakin but at least his portrayal does not ruin Anakin/Vader in the oot at least for me.  And his portrayal in the novel by terry Brooks as a dreaming youth is much more similar to Luke in Star Wars.

Hayden not a bad kid but horribly miscast as Skywalker, and Lucas emo whiny Anakin completely ruined Vader as a awesome villain.

Again Hayden's lack of depth and experience as an actor, not his fault he was chosen.  Not his fault Lucas wrote and filmed the single thread that would either save or break the prequels the turn to the darkside.

It was done in a completely nonsencial way and did not even make sense in that owns films continuity, Anakin willing to kill all the Jedi to save padme, but then chokes her, and she dies of a broken heart i nearly left the theater i was so incensed.

No film has made me want to yell at the screen like Sith since, except Crystal Skull.

CO said:

Gaffer Tape said:

I agree with Puggo.  "Resent" is the word I would choose.  Yes, the prequels are pretty awful, but I do sometimes enjoy watching them (although I probably haven't watched any of them in at least two years).  What causes my resentment is the fact that they are infiltrating the other movies.  People like Katie Lucas bitch at us and say that if we don't like it, we can just ignore it.  But, no, we can't.  Not when the only modern release of the original trilogy is trying to shove prequel crap down our throats.

 Exactly.  If the Star Wars Saga consisted of the OOT and PT for the fans, then many of us wouldn't even care about the PT the same way I don't care about Godfather III. 

But the fact that this BluRay release will feature Hayden in ROTJ, the PT IS apart of the OT now.

And for people like myself who actually like Return of the Jedi that is a big problem, especially since the less violated version that was still mutilated the 1997 is not even on DVD.

Hayden in Jedi possibly worse than Jedi Rocks.

Well they recreated those scenes using Models shot on 70mm, as well as using cgi to create some of the new effects.

This film was indeed 70mm, and Lucas is too cheap to transfer even 35mm so why even bother asking.

TV's Frink said:

Darth Bizarro said:

If they completely failed then they wouldn't have made so much money.  

*cough Transformers cough*

This may just possibly be the best post Frink has ever made.

Speaking of resentment where are the fans who want the 1997 special editions and theatrical prequels to be preserved, i do agree the oot should come first but Lucas lack of releasing any theatrical version of any of his films is kind of beyond bizarre, i add into the mix American graffiti and thx 1138.

You want the opiginal director approved versions of THX 1138 and American Graffiti they are not even on DVD, only laserdisc and Vhs.

Even Star Wars got a lousy Laserdisc port but that is more love than was shown those other films.

Well to be honest i guess Star Wars is not the only media driven franchise in which having having knowledge outside of the main thing is useful like Halo or Mass Effect, but you don't need to read the ancillary stuff in those to make things make sense, its sort of more like there is more to explore.

Just that the Prequels presuppose that you already are a walking star wars encyclopedia whereas the original films are clearly meant for the average filmgoer and have a coherent plot structure, beginning middle and end.

A character to root for etc.

I think having knowledge of the originals, sepcifically 1977-1983 trilogy hurts the prequels ebcause you already have a preconceived notion of things.

But on the other hand the newer trilogy acts as though you have had to have seen the other movies.

I wonder if you are one of these young kids who starts with episode 1 and sees them in the new canon order Lucas prefers them to be viewed in if they make any more sense to them than they do to an original trilogy old school fan who thinks the prequels are a 90's creation and not at all in line with the star wars vision circa 1977- 1983.

Warbler said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Warbler said:

Val Kilmer's the worst.

I must respectful disagree - to the EXTREME.

 

ok, who is your opinion was the worst?

Clowney, err i mean Clooney.

What about the whole Hamill's a horrible actor.  I did not see Hayden ever nominated for an award for being a stage actor, like Mark who played Amadeus.

Also he never did cool voiced characters like the Joker.

Hayden really is a horribly bad actor.  The Actor they wanted turned the role down anyway DiCaprio.

Not that he could have made Lucas Attack of the Wooden Romance dialogue any better.

Yeah i think if someone ruined empire for me as a kid and told me who darth really was, i would have been pretty pissed off.

See when Lucas did this in film it was a cool and original idea.  Before the Leia as a sister thing.

As a literary device it was old hat.  As a mythic archetype it was already cliche.

Then there is the obvious even if you have not read the films spoilers before hand.

Like Watching Indiana Jones IV and instantly picking up that Indy is Mutt's dad even though the characters are oblivious.

Star Trek the Motion Picture end credit, i just finished the movie,lol.

Jerry Goldsmith was the best star trek film composer in my humble opinion.

Though it was nice to have a different nautical flavor with Star Trek II and James Horner.

The only place i have seen any of the crawls online and in low res is on youtube, wonder if they are still there.  But obviously useless for the purpose you suggest.

I don't have the german laserdiscs or a pal player, high end pc, video capture rig, or DVD recorder with HDD so i cannot help unfortunately.

As far as i know there never was an HD broadcast of the 1997 in english or german at all.

All we have on the net is the g'kar and i don't even think that is the original German crawl, i am not absolutely sure but i think someone once said it was recreated in 1997.

So the only source for the real German original crawls is the pan and scan german vhs and laserdisc, or were they also on the leterbox silver screen release?

I mean outside of a 16mm print turning up with the old crawls and a willing person to Telecine them, which is probably zero.

Agreed B'kev as long as Hamill is the Joker.

But he claimed that Arkham videogame was his last time as the Joker, until there was a sequel.

Highly doubtful he would come out of retirement from the Joker persona a second time.

TV's Frink said:

skyjedi2005 said:

I guess we should be happy we are getting deleted scenes at all, the indiana jones trilogy set was noticeably absent of them as well as the old documentaries, and of course Spielberg never does audio commentary as far as i know.

Off-topic but I'm pretty sure the Indy Blu set is coming next year and I wouldn't be surprised if it included deleted scenes.

Always gotta hold stuff back for the next dip...

I only wish that were true about the oot. 

All we got for a response was including them on the current blu set was an oxymoron and there are pipelines.

Sure there are pipelines, connected to the toilet and it stinks as much as the lies of why the real original movies are not on the blu set.

What do people think of the fact that their is an animated film coming out based on Year One, so far based on the trailer i don't really like it.

Its not Noir-ish like the comic.

Supposedly they are also going to do dark knight returns as a 2 parter, or they plan to do so.

Then again i cannot see any one else doing the animated voice of bats, then Conroy, although Greenfield did a decent job.

Nobody else is even close to Hamill as the Joker, imho.

Nothing New he has changed deliberately used film stock on his other films by upping the contrast and using dvnr for a more video look.

While not as Bad as the job on the 2004 star wars the blu rays for thx 1138 and American graffiti are an abomination because they look nothing like the documentary feel of grainy techniscope.

Hopefully none of the deleted scenes are taken from whatever the low res source that was used on the behind the magic cd-rom.

Knowing Lucas though it would not surprise me.

I guess we should be happy we are getting deleted scenes at all, the indiana jones trilogy set was noticeably absent of them as well as the old documentaries, and of course Spielberg never does audio commentary as far as i know.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Baronlando said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Actually Luke screams in one of the pre release empire strikes back trailers

He does, but pretty sure it's in a different scene.

As far as the Vivaldi trailer, he screams twice: once when he falls out of the grey chute after jumping off and another time when he is hurled out the window before the "I Am Your Father" confrontation in the Cloud City shaft. Someone recreated it on Youtube here, and someone else uploaded the original on Youtube here, from a faded film print, judging by the looks of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtqnCc_forQ

same trailer in German.  I believe from a German vhs tape.

Is by pointing out how blanks are filled in or how crappy points of the film or unexplained or nonsensical plot points are then fixed in other media, be it video games, comic books or novels, role playing game supplements etc.

But making the prequels incoherent and a mess as films or movies themselves only meant for those who have read or played everything coming out of the license or who have seen the original films.

In other words they are horrible for general audiences and non star wars nerds, and are bad films in this way.

Likewell you see Anakin's a good friend and great starpilot if you read this book or comic, or see this animated show, even though its not in the movie,lol.

The jedi purge is also not shown on screen really nor is the formation of the rebellion, again comic books and video games.

The clone wars story was also not told in the films/movies proper.

But it was in the script and it does describe Lucas tendency to over describe things and not use the less is more approach.  He does not allow his audience to imagine things, see the new wampa for instance in 1997 empire.

But frink is right its not in the finished video, but it had been intended to be included in the dlp version but they did not put it into the movie.

After all Lucas had also intended earlier on to have Han Solo in Revenge of the sith as a 13 year old in believe and Chewie's adopted brother, so at least that was dropped as was making palpy, Anakin's father, who created him through manipulation of midichlorians taught to him by Darth Plagueis.

Sort of reminds me of Ralph's early design for Jabba's place which was reused in that horrible animated clone wars movie.

Actually Luke screams in one of the pre release empire strikes back trailers so Lucas or was that Kersh had considered it long before the special edition.

In the trailer it sounds like Hamill though and not the emperor actor Ian M.

This is the vivadli four seasons trailer i don't think is on the 2004 bonus disc, or even in the definitive laserdisc set.  Its not even on the editdroid.

Very low quality versions on youtube and t'bone star wars site.

adywan said:

Well it doesn't loon  good for the special features disc (disc 9) for anyone hoping that we're going to get high quality versions of the old docs. Looks like Lucas is pulling a 2006 bonus DVD on us again. I've been having some PM's with someone that knows a bit about the sources used for the discs and i was sent this reply (edited to removed clues to identity)

Ady

After your recent conversations with [deleted] i was asked to contact you because i have a little more knowledge on this subject.

I do know that there have been some minor color alterations but i cannot comment on the extent because this was not my department.

The original special feature documentaries will only be on the final disc in the complete saga collection. These, however, could only be presented in standard definition. While there are copies of 16mm prints for these documentaries, there was no green light given to use these for the source of the special features. Instructions were given to find the digital masters which were used for the original release versions. I am unsure if these were the same used for the VHS or laserdisc copies but a colleague informed me that these masters were produced in the 1980's or 1990's (although i cannot confirm this). As far as i am aware no post production work was done on these masters  to prepare them for the Blu-Ray collection. Having seen [deleted] at [deleted] there seems to be some issues with digital artefacts caused by the interlaced source used and from the original digital conversion. The same procedure was used for some deleted scenes seen in the Empire of Dreams documentary as these scenes were also taken from older digital copies.

He went on to give me some more information that i cannot post here because it may reveal his identity. So it doesn't look good for all of the original trilogy stuff then :(

Lucas too cheap to allow then to use the negatives or even a 16mm prints, instead makes them use the same low res master as the vhs/laserdisc. 

No documentaries in HD, no empire of dreams, no from star wars to jedi and no original versions of the original trilogy.  Now i have to see if he found a way to botch the deleted scenes too so i can cancel my order for this set.

Why has it come to this that the Lucasfilm  brand and quality are so non existent, and that Lucas has become synonymous with disappointment, its like every thing he does these days is just to disappoint fans, almost, but even i don't think Lucas is that sadistic.

Its like he is in a different world and does not get it.  Good Businessman, terrible artist if he wants his works presented in poor quality like messed up colors.

Adywan's digging up this source leads me to believe these are the masters for the Japanese laserdiscs, hopefully before the subtitles.  They were the last digital masters made for the documentaries.  Unless they also had special tape masters made for the sci fi channel.

What would have been cool would have been the lost cut with audio commentary on a second track by David West Reynolds, unfortunately now the oot are also rough cuts and neither will ever be seen or presented on blu ray disc.

It is still purple and why did i give kenny the benefit of the doubt, my fault i wasted my time going to youtube i should not have believed him based on previous such stunts.

Obi Wan says he was trained by Yoda in Empire Strikes back.  We then learn this is not the case in the phantom menace, there is some Qui Gon guy who was never mentioned in the original trilogy but was his real master.

Obi Wan claims Anakin was a good friend who was slowly seduced by evil, nowhere shown in the prequels.

The so called great jedi purge is handled in a pathetic and anti climatic way in episode III, this is not Vader betraying the jedi and hunting them down.

The one from the photoshop job of 2004 with luke and his lightsaber is pretty horrible considering its the holiday special lightsaber and not star wars 77.

In the new Zahn book choices of one we find out death star II was being built 8 months after the first one was destroyed, even before the events of empire strikes back, even before the rebels were on hoth.

I know that is EU and not G-Canon but it would not be any less ridiculous if it was.