skoal

Please be more specific.

Also, many people have the opinion that the "remixed" moniker has little-to-no meaning. Especially with something as esoteric and rarely released as the Ultra-Stereo H4/H5 soundtrack. Additionally, depending on the review you're quoting, I don't think both the 2.0 and 5.1 soundtracks were suggested as "remixed", which if you read any of this thread that YOU started, you would realize this is an unanswred question with lots of references to suggest more investigation is warranted.

Lastly, I've heard nothing but nonsense from you so far. Try again, and give a little bit more effort this time. Thank you.

jedimasterobiwan said:

key word in that review remixed in other words both the 2.0 and 5.1 was the ultra stereo track tampered with.

Great, we have some H4 cues, thank you.

Edit:

'Also, Lyle_JP' from HTF and Blu-Ray.com seems to know some differences:
"Yes, not only was the 5.1 mix on the non-anamorphic disc more full surround-wise, but it also had much more bass and doesn't have original sound effects missing. Yes, that's right, the 5.1 mix on the anamorphic release actually has some of the original sound effects missing entirely. For example, when the two paramedics first arrive at the Federal Sanitarium to collect Myers, on the original Ultra*Stereo mix, there was a loud audible buzz as they enter the facility, as if they were being buzzed in. It's also on the first DVD, but was omitted from the mix entirely on the anamorphic disc. This was just one of about 4 things I noticed. I really wish that Anchor bay would have taken that first 5.1 mix and used it on the Divimax disc. -Lyle J.P."
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/236386-htf-review-halloween-4-the-return-of-michael-myers-divimax-special-edition/page-2#entry2828087

'Adam Scott' on HTF replied and mentions a thunderstorm.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/236386-htf-review-halloween-4-the-return-of-michael-myers-divimax-special-edition/page-2#entry2829122

Check the H4 Divimax DVD because this site suggests the Ultra-Stereo is on the Divimax.
http://www.kqek.com/dvd_reviews/h/3389_Halloween4.htm

The DigitalBits H4 1999 DVD review suggests the 5.1 is good but remastered, dunno how accurate this is.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/site_archive/reviews/halloween4.html

This site suggests the Ultra-Stereo for H6 is on older H6 Blu-Ray releases  (not hte boxset).
http://www.ohmb.net/showthread.php?18739-Halloween-The-Curse-of-Michael-Myers-Echo-Bridge-Blu-Ray-Review/page7

Jetrell Fo said:

From DVDTalk review which I already posted ....

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Once again, Halloween 4 has been remixed from Ultra Stereo...

This remix of Halloween 4 is so meek and timid that it sounds to me like something just went wrong. Listenable but lackluster. 

There aren't any dubs or alternate mixes on this Blu-ray disc. Subtitles, meanwhile, are limited to English (SDH) and Spanish. 

Well it seems, sans Blu-Ray, you're fully prepared to do an AQ review.   :-)

Please let us know the differences between the soundtrack (both 5.1 and 2.0) on the Divimax and the soundtrack (both 2.0 and 5.1) on the original non-anamorphic DVD.

I'll try to find out more info on audio cues to help. Note, I don't even like H4/H5/H6. I can't believe I'm looking into this, but with you jumping up and buying it, I have to get involved.

Lastly, if anyone gets this far, does anyone know how the H6 Ultra-Stereo soundtrack compares to the H6 Producers Cut Soundtrack on Blu-Ray? ;-) HA!

Jetrell Fo said:

I'm not sure how they differ because I am not familiar with the "Ultra Stereo" on the LD's ..... I don't own them.

However, my H4 and H5 Divimax DVD's have Dolby 5.1 and Dolby 2.0.  H6 is the only one that actually says "Ultra Stereo" 2.0 in the audio specs.

:) 

Thank you Jetrell Fo, however if the 5.1 DD on the original non-anamorphic DVD is a discreet version of the Ultra-Stereo soundtrack, that might be more "wanted"/"needed".

Also, I still would like details on how the Blu-Ray soundtrack(s) are inferior. Since no one is replying, perhaps I'll have to look up the details myself, however this makes no sense because I'm not the OP.

Jetrell Fo said:

skoal said:

Jetrell Fo, hmm, not sure what you mean...

The LD supposedly has the Ultra-Stereo soundtrack, and Ultra-Stereo decodes properly with Dolby decoders.

Also, the original non-anamophic DVD hopefully (when you reply and tell us (*blink blink*)) also has the Ultra-Stereo in 2.0 and should also decode property with Dolby decoders. However, this shouldn't be needed or necessary if the 5.1 on that disc is discreet and *highly* similar to the matrixed 2.0 Ultra-Stereo. Right?

My mistake .... I think I confused myself by being confused.  LOL.  Having a print of the film would at least give you whatever theatrical audio was used when the films was in theaters, after that it's probably pretty suggestive as to which is better or closer.

I just paid for the DVD so it will be a few days before it arrives.  When it does, I'll rip the audio and offer it for anyone thinking they need to have it.

:) 

Jetrell Fo, hmm, not sure what you mean...

The LD supposedly has the Ultra-Stereo soundtrack, and Ultra-Stereo decodes properly with Dolby decoders.

Also, the original non-anamophic DVD hopefully (when you reply and tell us (*blink blink*)) also has the Ultra-Stereo in 2.0 and should also decode property with Dolby decoders. However, this shouldn't be needed or necessary if the 5.1 on that disc is discreet and *highly* similar to the matrixed 2.0 Ultra-Stereo. Right?

Being both serious and silly, does this forum have spoiler tags because I'm afraid to enter this thread.

Spaced, not sure if you're a fan of 2001: ASO as I am and in the same ways, however, please re-read that article. It's not that the line was trimmed, but moved and it changes the context somewhat-to-significantly depending on your interpretation(s).

jedimasterobiwan, you're reply isn't very informative and is exactly the type of comment that is anti-helpful.

Please provide examples of how the Blu-Ray is inferior to the original Ultra-Stereo theatrical audio. I've read how the 5.1 DVD has been *slightly* changed and how the 5.1 DVD has missing audio effects when compared to the Ultra-Stereo. These things may have been corrected and I'm too lazy to search ATM.

Firstly, debating whether this is off-topic or on-topic is certainly off-topic, however I do question if this topic is in fact off-topic. Can anyone chime in? Or move this post?

ElectricTriangle, thank you for replying and I agree, contemporary orange/teal and contrast boosting/bleeding are both examples of something that can to a being be absolutely determined. However, *I think* there are many cases where people mention black-crush and white-blow-out as negatives, are correct that there is black-crush and/or white-blow-out, however they fail to point out why that is bad and/or fail to show how their vision of how things are supposed to look is correct.

Other times people source LD, VHS, and film cells, which also provide no basis of how something is supposed to look or how something looked.

Again, I just would like more examples and why something needs to be preserved.

Wow and cool!!! Since you're a regular, I doubt you'll do this... however, please don't tease us and never reply to this thread again! Lol!

Jetrell Fo said:

2. Does the original non-anamorphic Halloween 4 DVD contain a 2.0 track? (I think it has to according to DVD spec.)

I just purchased it so we'll find out when it arrives.

:) 

It's cool, I don't recall you saying anything off in this thread (or recently ;-))

Jetrell Fo said: 

I didn't even know Ultra Stereo actually existed ....

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I also didn't know the Ultra-Stereo existed and I would like to know if the Blu-Ray is really that bad? If so, that's a real shame, Anchor Bay/Scream Factory/Shout Factory really screwed up those releases with the sync issues, fullscreen TV cut of Halloween, and the confusion surrounding the Extended and TV cut of Halloween.

Will anyone reply? Or was I right, this is a case of: people not doing the research claimed, trying to inflate prices, or people just want/like low*er*-quality LD audio.

From Lyle_JP on HTF: "I have owned all of them. The 5.1 tracks on discs 2, 3, and 4 are identical (in fact, discs 2 and 3 are identical in every respect). This 5.1 track is also being used for the HD version on Monsters HD. The track on the first, non-anamorphic disc is the only different one, which stays more faithful to the original Ultra*Stereo mix. -Lyle J.P."

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/238942-halloween-4-which-dvds-have-the-superior-51-track/#entry2847512

And from 'John H Ross' on HTF: "There appears to be four DVD releases:

1. Original version. Non-anamorphic. No extras. Released July 20, 1999
2. Anamorphic (apparently). Includes "Halloween 4: Final Cut" documentary. Released October 9, 2001
3. Anamorphic. Limited edition tin. Includes "Halloween 4: Final Cut" documentary.Released October 1, 2005
4. Divimax Edition. Anamorphic. Includes "Halloween 4: Final Cut" documentary + cast/crew commentaries, etc.Released July 25, 2006

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/238942-halloween-4-which-dvds-have-the-superior-51-track/#entry2846652

The HTF thread, if you actually read it, mentions specific audio information, something you failed to do.

The question(s) now are:

1. Was the 5.1 audio remastered/remixed for the original non-anamorphic Halloween 4 DVD? Or was the Ultra-Stereo *just* decoded to 5.1?
2. Does the original non-anamorphic Halloween 4 DVD contain a 2.0 track? (I think it has to according to DVD spec.)
3. If yes to #2 above, is this 2.0 track a simple fold-down from the 5.1 track contained on the same DVD or is it the original Ultra-Stereo track?
4. How is the Ultra-Stereo track better than audio on any given DVD/Blu-Ray release?

I hope I don't get banned, however more and more I see stuff like this. I don't understand why people aren't doing research, and some even claiming to when they probably didn't.

Thank you and you're welcome!

If possible, please provide some of the research and/or web links?

How often do we have an accurate reference on how it looked in theaters?

Also, is how something looked in theaters, say, 95% of the time the way it is supposed to look from an objective/absolute standpoint? Does such a standpoint exist without direct words from the director/production?

On top of that and on the other hand, how many times have we seen/heard directors/production say things that seemingly seem counter-intuitive or subjectively wrong in context to selling something that was "re"-done?

Also, is it reasonable or unreasonable to say that things like black-crush and white-blow-out, which seems like could be a result of simple brightness differences, could be vastly different from theater to theater, given the print, environment,  health/eyesight/memory, and contemporary environment changes for re-screenings of vintage prints?

Again, if you've gotten this far, I'm think it would be good to provide much more context for preservation ideas and requests.

Many people post on here saying something about black-crush or white-blow-out, but don’t explain the context of why that is bad in the context they are talking about. However, I would think, black-crush and white-blow-out are not inherently bad and mostly dependent on direction and production.

Perhaps why thinking of what black-crush and white-blow-out is wrong and my  interpretations  are below.

Black Crush - when 2 pictures of the same scene have some dark (or shadow) details replaced with black

White Blow Ou - the opposite of black crush, when 2 pictures of the same scene have details replaced with white.

For anyone who got this far, I bring this up because I see lots of posts here and else where saying this version is bad because of black-crush or white-blow-outs, and that makes no sense.

Anyone looked into if these tracks were released on DVD? And if yes, why would a preservation be needed?

Rant below:

Let me eat my words; I say this without researching that these soundtracks have been released on DVD. Sometimes I wonder if these posts are to generate laserdisc search traffic and/or increase perceived worth of laserdiscs on eBay. I only say this because there a lot of posts about random laserdisc soundtracks without mentioning DVD releases at all. 

I think, only a fan would be interested in the "Ultra Stereo", only a fan would know the difference between the "Ultra Stereo" soundtrack and the Blu-Ray soundtrack, and only a fan would only post about it. However, I think, such a fan, would research if the "Ultra Stereo" soundtrack was on DVD and include that information rather than just skip over that generation of releases.

Spaced and PDB, why don't you pair-up and do a preservation?   ;-)

Spaced, yes, I've browsed the underview site many times, however the underview site doesn't mention the 'just what do you think you're doing, dave' edit/trim and it's so cool if true.

Also, the trims were found, now only if the Kubrick estate and WB would see the value in actually reinserting them, re-releasing theatrically (on IMAX), and then on a new blu-ray. Sorry to get off-topic.

Spaced Ranger said:

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A Taste Of Blue Food In Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY
http://www.underview.com/bhpalltrims.html

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Not the Simpsons episode, I meant the real deal.   ;-)

Thank you for the screenshots and captions because some of the stuff was new to me and now I gotta re-watch it!

I don't mind the mis'aligned (sic) slab slot positions' and it took me a while to find it, however, in case you haven't read this webpage, it's a pretty interesting take on how that scene might have been cut up. http://ericmvan.livejournal.com/860.html

I want to see the trims (re-inserted)!

Spaced Ranger said:

I hope you're not referring to The Simpsons.  :)

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• correcting effects shots that start early or late

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• fix the wrong memory-slab slide-out; align slab stop positions

• align some readout re-exposures misaligned onto main photography

• eliminate vertical vibration in camera tracking

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Spaced, are you really preserving this? Scene by scene?

Keep us updated! Thanx.

Between the flipper DVD with the 70mm 6-track in 5.1 DD and the Blu-Ray, what is so horrid with any given presentation of the Exorcist that it needs to be preserved with 25GB (or larger) Blu-Ray.

Seems like this thread went off track a little and perhaps others will chime in. Also, there may be other posts however the 2 replies quoted below seem to be the most informative.

DVDBeaver does a good job on this title and I like the Alt. Cut PQ, especially because of the flash frame on the door. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare5/exorcist.htm

AntcuFaalb said:

disclord on LDDb claims that the 5.1 audio on the 1997 DVD is the original 70mm mix. Does the Blu-ray use this?

Matt_Stevens said:

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This Blu-Ray actually removes a few of the digital tweaks that were added to the Extended version...

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The problem with the theatrical version is that its sound remix is not as robust as the Extended version...

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I've only spot-checked it, however I think the Grease Blu-Ray audio sounds good and I don't observe any of the issues pointed out except some of the foley effects and the backgrounds seemed loud.

Anyone with the Blu-Ray, what exactly are the audio issues and sync problems?

I did notice some additional foley sounds during 'Greased Lightning', however who knows if those sounds originally existed on the 70mm 6-track.

Also, does anyone have the 2002 DVD? This site (possibly mistakenly) indicates the 2002 DVD contains the original (Dolby Stereo) soundtrack in Dolby Surround Sound. http://web.archive.org/web/20050826210209/http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_5/grease.html

Below are some links for Sha-Na-Na 'Born To Hand Jive' from the Grease. The last one strongly suggests a DVD release has the original soundtrack. Drums kick in after a fight on-screen and then a guy slides toward the camera and the remixed soundtrack has an extra foley effect.

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY5pmzmiDO8 (Remixed soundtrack)
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Rb_AHBvMQ (Original soundtrack)

Also, I checked out the background singers TServo2049 mentioned (Thank you for the YouTube links!) and I think the background singers were always out of sync. The remixed audio on the TBS broadcast seems very loud, however I don't think anyone knows if the TBS or the uploader changed it (knowingly or unknowingly).

Anyone, please point out specific issues and time(codes) with the Blu-Ray other than it's louder, has extra foley effects, or echo'y'.

As pointed out earlier in the thread, by websites referenced, and by other websites, many think the Grease Blu-Ray audio is of poor quality. See:

• http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/287394/a-few-words-about-grease-in-blu-ray
• http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/281681-htf-blu-ray-review-grease-rockin-rydell-edition
• and specifically, post 19, http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/281681-htf-blu-ray-review-grease-rockin-rydell-edition/#entry3443492

Lastly, nothing against crissrudd4554, many others and websites indicate what was quoted and this post was more recent.

crissrudd4554 said:

... Grease has a pretty bad remix as well and the original is not included on any of the DVD/BD releases. ...

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TServo2049 said:

Another buggered 5.1 remix I forgot to mention: Grease.

When the film was remixed in 5.1 for the 20th anniversary re-release, they completely overhauled the music mixing to sound more "modern." You can read a whole lot more about it here: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/287394/a-few-words-about-grease-in-blu-ray

Here's the original mix of "You're the One That I Want" from an old TBS broadcast. And here's the remix. Notice the extra "It's electrifying!", the much louder background vocals and brass, and how during the second verse, the male backup singers are actually

Hi all, Halloween is up there and thank you Andrea for the work/thread.

The Laserdisc commentary with Carpenter, Hill, and Curtis was released on on the 25th Anniversary DVD, right?

Also, I read the 1999 THX versions (both theatrical and extended) contain the correct mono track. Can anyone say which releases have the correct mono track? (I've skipped some versions)
1) 1999 THX DVD Theatrical
2) 1999 THX DVD Extended
3) 2001 (THX?) DVD Extended (re-release)
4) 2007 (THX?) DVD (Don't know if this contain the Theatrical, Extended, or both) (re-release with slipcover)
5) 2007 BR
6) 2013 BR
7) 2014 BR

This link contains some details on the mono and fold-down differences:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/135614-any-reviews-for-halloween-yet/page-6

Below are some good links for Haloween,
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare2/halloween.htm
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=937
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=11773

I like the 1999 THX Extended version (PQ/AQ) and am waiting for a HD version of the Extended (as opposed to the TV cut) with mono track. (If you know, "they" said the transfers/masters were in SD for the TV parts, but that isn't what "they" said in 1999, opps!)

Cheers!

 If anyone can help me find the '35mm IB' DVD please PM me. Cheers and thank you! 

I must say, while beggars can't be choosers and it's true within reason anyone can say anything at anytime, I think it should also be said that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

To say anything else would be unfair to those involved.

Darth Lucas said:

RU.08 said:

Darth Lucas said:

It's a bit like looking at the GOUT and saying "well compared to what was available before it, I don't see how anyone can complain".  Yeah, it's better than what we had before, but it's not the best that it can and should be.

Wow, that's your attitude towards somebody that has preserved this for you for free? It's not as if Disney sold you this release. It's not your print that you had scanned either.

 I meant no disrespect, or to compare said preservation to the GOUT (what an insult that would be), only to make the point that we shouldn't look at any preservation and think 'eh.  good enough.  no need to continue'. 

:(

Anyone get it? Screenshots?

jimjimmyjones85 said:

Will we ever be able to get this :( 

I think someone else mentioned there is directional audio @ ~25:45.

Does anyone have the DVD 5.1 ac3 to share? ;-)

captainsolo said:

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Anyone have any suggestions for what scenes would be best, or those with directional dialogue?

Spaced Ranger and PDB,

Can you post BR-screenshots of the "chair" and "moon" that are color-corrected for both the green and pink? The shots I'm interested in were posted by PDB (however, not color corrected) in Post 92 of this thread.

I recently re-watched 2001: ASO and the chairs look pretty good in the BR and I would like to see how they would look when color-corrected. Also, the green can be distracting at times.

Thank you and cheers!