One of you *may* be confusing the 1st and 2nd Warner DVD releases, let's figure this out.
I would like to know if there is a 2001: ASO soundtrack that contains the directional sound/panning and the "I read you" line. Thanks.
Are you sure? I think the 1999 Warner DVD is the 1st Warner DVD release and valien has this and said the "I read you" line is missing in this release.
I think the 2nd Warner DVD was released in... 2001, but I'm not sure.
Spaced Ranger said:
... the 1999 Warner DVD does not
Do the 2001: ASO LaserDiscs with directional sound/panning also omit the "I read you" line?
I think the CAV LD from the early 90's (according to DiscLord) has the directional sound/panning. Thanks.
Hi, does the *1st* Warner DVD release of 2001: ASO contain the directional sound/panning and the "I read you" line that's missing on the MGM DVD?
From the posts on this thread and LDDB, the MGM DVD release contains the directional sound/panning.
And DVDBeaver mentions the 1st Warner DVD release and the MGM DVD are identical and IMDB says the Warner DVDs contain the "I read you" line that's missing on the MGM DVD.
Thanks.
I'm wondering which sound mix is best? And has anyone compared the best sound mix to the DTS 6.1 ES Ultimate Edition track?
I don't understand which mixes "are not the exact same mixes". Perhaps you meant this, however from the reviews below it seems like there are 2 different DD 5.1 EX mixes and the DTS 6.1 ES track is different than both of the DD 5.1 EX mixes.
This review mentions some of the Ultimate Edition sound remixing and recommends the DTS 6.1 ES track (for the Ultimate Edition):
"Gary Rydstrom, has remixed the audio to include compatibility with Dolby's new Surround EX scheme. ...
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... with the DTS delivering a slightly wider and more unified soundstage. Clarity and resolution are expanded, creating a more natural-sounding audio environment. Certain sound cues become more aggressive in the DTS track. The slamming sound of the "truck grate wipe" at the end of the opening credits, for example, is sharper and lingers longer. ..." http://www.digitalbits.com/site_archive/reviews/t2ultimate.html
For the Ultimate Edition, this review also recommends the DTS 6.1 ES track:
"... the gunfire in chapter 51 become incredible, with punchy gunfire and some surround use. ..." http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/1023/terminator-2-ultimate-edition/
And from the same site, this review suggests the Extreme Edition has remixed sound: "... a new Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX track." http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/6559/t2-extreme-dvd/
dvdmike said:
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Dolby stereo original mix
6 track dolby mix
5.1 CDS mix - used on theatrical LD and Artisan DVD
5.1 SE near field mix - all special edition releases.
6.1 Dolby EX / DTS-ES mix
And they are not the exact same mixes.
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Of course we're talking about the #, perhaps you didn't see the "..."s.
I don't want to get into an argument and the only reason I replied is because I never read anywhere that it was on the 1st LD release. I would like sources, which you don't have to provide, but would be good. And if you need sources of my claim that it was taken out before the 1st LD release, I will provide as well. However, like I said, I don't want to get into an argument and you can google and read for yourself. Neither of these sources really matter, it's just I thought the *popular* opinion was that if the # ever existed it was taken out before the 1st LD release.
I think the # being real is possible given everything else, but the lack of any accounts make me think it's unlikely it ever existed. But I would never call it an urban legend.
TServo2049 said:
"For a good time, call Allison Wonderland" is real. It's in every version, you don't even need freeze frame to see it.
What's not real is the alleged flash frame of a phone number (supposedly Eisner's) appeating underneath that message. It has been mentioned on the Internet, supposedly it was removed after the laserdisc, but nobody here has found it on the LD or any other version.
The graffiti is real, it was never removed, it's the phone number that's the myth.
Anyone have a bit-perfect rip of 'The Thing' 'Signature Collection' LD commentary? Anyone know which DVD releases (in which regions) are edited?
Is the commentary included in this BD-25 the edited version?
"... The Thing (1982) audio commentary on bluray was edited for some legal reasons I guess regarding Keith David about stealing a car in New York city was removed from the bluray and no doubt later versions of DVD maybe? I know the commentary track was recorded for the “Signature Collection” which I don’t have, I only have the R2 DVD first edition. ..." from laserbite34 @ http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?p=605#p605
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"... The commentary moment is around the time ware Blair goes nuts and starts beating up the radio room and Kurt is standing next door in the corridor just before Keith David enters the scene with rubber black hand glove. ..." from laserbite34 @ http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?p=645#p645
It's pretty much impossible to prove you wrong, however I don't see proof "For a good time ..." is an urban legend either. Just saying because very few other website indicate positively "For a good time ..." is just an urban legend.
TServo2049 said:
Right - Betty Boop's nipples were caught before any of the video releases.
The "For a good time" graffiti is in every version. It's the flash frame of Michael Eisner's phone number that isn't on any of them - because that never actually existed. (That's an urban legend going back to the days of Usenet.)
I'm signing off from this forum because Jay gave me a warning for behavior for personally attacking someone here, which is not cool because there is no personal attack in t his post.
Note, if someone isn't personally attacking someone, you shouldn't claim they are. It just makes you look stoopid!
Yes, we need to compare the mono mixes to see if anything was altered (much) because (I think) the Jaws Blu-Ray is probably very good, even the mono mix.
TServo2049 said:
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If any of us do have the laserdiscs, can they check how audible "bitch" is on theirs?
TServo, can you rip your Jaws for comparison?
The Blu-Ray is supposedly good and also contains the 1975 mono mix.
"... the climactic line by Chief Brody of “Smile you son-of-a-bitch!” which causes the last syllable to be drowned out by the rifle blast. In earlier mixes, the line was triumphantly audible. In the new mix, and in the last few DVD mixes, the line has been dialed down. ... ... ... the mono track is the actual 1975 mono, and that the final line is accurately presented in that mix."
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/316676-jaws-blu-ray-review-very-highly-recommended/
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=20753
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare6/jaws.htm
TServo2049 said:
Do you mean the Signature Collection LD, not DVD? I thought the Signature Collection LD PCM for The Thing was already preserved, bit-perfect, for the spoRv project? It's listed on the first post. I feel like if it had the music replaced, it would have been brought up during the making of spoRv, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to check.
And actually, I was referring to Jaws. My question was whether the first widescreen LD of Jaws from 1992 (also the first LD to have PCM) had the music replacement or not.
(EDIT: I checked LDDB, the notes say "Top left of the jacket states: Home Video Version, Some Music Rescored." So I guess the Signature is the way to go for a PCM mono preservation. Though it would be interesting to compare the two in all other aspects...)
Cool, all that's left is H5, who can help with that?
H4 Ultra-Stereo is on the 1999 DVD and the missing sound element is @ ~ 2:41. Overall,the 1999 soundtrack is better and unless someone needed credit (and thus $), I'm not sure why this was mucked with. Check out the beeping shortly afterwards too (you'll know it when you hear it).
In regards to Halloween, unless people need PCM (vs AC3) these are the questions...
Was H5 remixed/remastered for home video?
Does the remix/remaster sound bad or is the remix/remaster missing sound elements? Can anyone answer these questions???
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=940
Various sites indicate H6 was released in Ultra-Stereo for home video, so which releases have it? The 'Echo Bridge' DVD and Blu-Ray releases *might* contain the Ultra-Stereo.
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=1107
http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=15713
PDB, 'moving target' is akin to what TServo2049 is saying. Don't get me wrong, I like reading many of these threads, especially when there are good thoughts, however, as you may guess...
I haven't read anything is this thread that (IMO) counts as authoritative. Nor have I read anything in this thread that mentions something that's missing or that needs preservation.
All this talk comes down to each persons preferences, sensibilities, pickiness, and (faulty) memory. I get it, some don't like the colors, however are they that bad?
It seems some color choices are being picked because someone remembers it that way? Seriously? It's not even worth it to type how misguided this is.
Why do people think the LD/VHS/Beta/'Earlest Home Video Release' is authoritative or correct?
TServo2049 said:
No idea how many of these color differences would be lab variations, and how much would be timing differences in the sources used for the transfers. Any idea how all the other sources compare? (Criterion LDs, the P&S Embassy transfer, etc.)
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skoal said:
Do you have a source for this bit of information? I ask because I've never seen anyone else say or reference this and I would like you to provide a reference.
captainsolo said:
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... the Workprint that surfaced in 1990/1991 (supposedly due to Steve Hoffman ...
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Don't get me wrong or mad, I really like this site, however it seems this thread is trying to hit a target that doesn't exist.
skoal, have you ever read Sammon's Future Noir: The Making Of Blade Runner? It covers the discovery of the workprint and the making of the DC.
No worries about being mad but I don't understand what do you mean? I don't follow about the target and such.
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Now that this thread is 3 pages... Who's got H4 LDs, H5 LDs, H5 DVDs (early editions), and H6 LDs?
jedimasterobiwan said:
is their anyone willing to edit the original ultra stereo tracks of halloween 4 and 5 laserdisc to sync up with the blu rays?
Do you have a source for this bit of information? I ask because I've never seen anyone else say or reference this and I would like you to provide a reference.
captainsolo said:
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... the Workprint that surfaced in 1990/1991 (supposedly due to Steve Hoffman ...
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Don't get me wrong or mad, I really like this site, however it seems this thread is trying to hit a target that doesn't exist.
Is there a fan-site that details the music switches and also has info on the Hulu streams?
Why preserve this?
If you can't answer the question with any seriousness and dignity you should go away (preserve it yourself and create a new thread when you're done). Sheesh!
Is this a preservation inquiry for preservations sake? Because you're asking about something you already say isn't favorable when compared to the director's cut? Ridiculous!
I'm not sure if you're serious and how much so. Lol!
I was saying the dichotomy from J.J. directing both the 'Star Trek' and 'Star Wars' re-boots is horrible. I'm sorry you couldn't tell.
I'll watch it, but won't expect anything because there is no reason to touch Halloween again (for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th time depending on who you ask).
Hollywood messed up 'Star Trek' and 'Star Wars' with J.J. and now big-time big-money Hollywood is not getting much of my $$$ because I'm much more discriminating on what I'll pay to sit through now. So much garbage on the screens.
From the link, "Sources say it’s not a remake, not a reboot, and not a reimagining. One source said the project is a “recalibration.”
Am I mistaken? In a scene filmed 'day for night', how bright and how detailed should it be?
What you say has merit, however, I just don't think it's that simple even-though I believe many (on here) think it is. Which is the problem I'm bringing up.
And you could say the example I noted is a corner-case. Yes, it is, but it's an extreme to show what is written below is mis-guided.
Erik Pancakes said:
In the absence of a definitive "this is how it's definitely supposed to look" source to compare it to, I would think the source that provides the most detail would be preferable. In that case, wouldn't a release that crushes blacks and/or blows out whites to the point of losing detail in those areas be undesirable?
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Are you sure? ;-)
I will, but you got a link in case I can't find the thread?
Also, if pointing out black-crush or blown-out-whites, isn't it only valid comparison is if there is a definitive source (barring debates regarding what is definitive) or if there is another source that has overall better black-detail (for black-crush) or overall better light-detail (for blown-out-whites)? Comparing to another source that has one scene that is better but overall poorer quality (eg Ghostbusters) doesn't seem like a fair comparison and at this point it's just mixing and matching scenes for personal preference.
jedimasterobiwan, before you edited your post with "ignore" the link you posted was helpful.
This was the link: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=9813600&postcount=14318
It was helpful because it was 'Lyle_JP's' post you highlighted on Blu-Ray.com and I also highlighted one of his earlier posts on HTF. As a result, it seems this dude is the expert on this, and I msg'd him for more info and let him know about this thread.
Lastly, jedimasterobiwan, I didn't/don't mean to slam you...
No, I mean, for some, seeing flaws in films pointed out can ruin a film, so a spoiler tag could be useful.
I think the fact that the "just what do you think you're doing dave "trim isn't mentioned anywhere else makes this trim pretty interesting. Overall, the livejournal analysis is fairly detailed and while detail isn't an indicator of validity, it does mean he put some effort into it, which makes me think he's being genuine (even if mistaken). Because of this, I would like to know more about this specific trim and I mentioned it because perhaps someone else might know more, but I doubt it.
Spaced Ranger said:
If you're referring to SilverWook's Announcement: New plot spoiler policy *please read* thread, note that applies to "With new Star Wars films coming out, the issue of spoilers has become relevant again." [emphasis mine]
I think 2001:ASO is safely out of that category..
Previously, it looked like you were citing the Underview article as not acknowledging a cut that you had found -- "the underview site doesn't mention the 'just what do you think you're doing, dave' edit/trim". I didn't know you were thinking of the LiveJournal article, which is the remembrance it's author without other corroboration -- "... as far as I can tell with the powers of Google, has never been described anywhere. By anybody."
Of course, people who closely worked with Kubrick, like Special Effects SupervisorDoug Trumbull, would know. Too bad, when he was ramping up a presentation, the plug was pulled on that whole thing.
2 replies, both mentioning Ghostbusters. I've seen black-crush and white-blow-out mentioned in like every (exaggeration) thread. Can't someone provide more examples of this?
