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#773022
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Just because you request something doesn't mean you're going to receive it. I provided an explanation, if you don't like it or agree, respond to rather than negate and renege my reply.

AntcuFaalb said:

skoal said:

Ridiculing and chiding with silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies, and especially when the post only includes silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies, can (pretty much only) be interpreted as making fun.

I'm still waiting for you to quote the post of mine that you claim is entirely devoid of everything except silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies.

I'm also still waiting for some quotes of instances of me ridiculing or chiding you.

 

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#773021
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You're replying to my post pointing out that i misused the word "misquote"? The definition is below and what I think what you did fits, if you don't think so fine, but your reply below is so baseless. Seriously and sheesh! We can go onto the definition of incorrect next if you want... Shesh.

mis-quote http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misquote

[mis-kwoht]
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verb (used with object), verb (used without object), misquoted, misquoting.
1.
to quote incorrectly.
noun
2.
a quotation that is incorrect.

AntcuFaalb said:

skoal said:

See, now you're just misquoting to make yourself look better. The better quote to do to provide fair context would have been...

skoal said:

Jetrell and Antcu just cooperatively or non-cooperatively ganged up on me and ridiculed chiding me for asking something, then ridiculing and chiding me again, and then suggested I do what they originally ridiculed and chided me for. ...

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AntcuFaalb said:

skoal said:

Jetrell and Antcu just cooperatively

FWIW, the whole "-Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3" is a joke from off-topic. I haven't spoken with Jetrell Fo about this at all.

Misquoting isn't the same as removing a quotation from its proper context. Please try to do a better job of choosing your words more carefully if you're going to being so critical of the writing style others choose to use.

Regardless, what point are you trying to make here? How does the context you added alter the message or intent of my post?

 

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#773014
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Ridiculing and chiding with silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies, and especially when the post only includes silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies, can (pretty much only) be interpreted as making fun.

If you want to play it as I didn't know or I didn't know any better or I disagree, ok, however we all have our opinions.

AntcuFaalb said:

skoal said:

Then Antcu (basically) made in fun of me

Where the hell did I make fun of you? Quote the post.

skoal said:

and then moments later Antcu goes on to say that "A person with thick skin" would just ask confirmation from others, but that's just what Jetrell ridiculed and chided me for. You guys are seriously messed up for doing this, it's not only mean it's cruel. And this is not about thick or thin skin, but whatever.

If you were paying close attention you'd realize that the point I was trying to make was in what I removed from your post, not what I added.

Here's what I did:

skoal said:

Jetrell, my posts have (new) information and I'm posting (my) comments and asking for comments as well.

I don't understand what you're saying and I don't understand what you have an issue or problem with.

Maybe you're just having a bad day, but why take it out on me? I want to go through most of the points you made to show why I don't understand and that perhaps my view is just as valid as yours. But time is precious and I don't play well with fire.

Also, you're not coming off mean, just non-sensical and somewhat manic. Seriously and sheesh!

Can someone please independently verify Spaced Ranger's claims?

 

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#773013
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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See, now you're just misquoting to make yourself look better. The better quote to do to provide fair context would have been...

skoal said:

Jetrell and Antcu just cooperatively or non-cooperatively ganged up on me and ridiculed chiding me for asking something, then ridiculing and chiding me again, and then suggested I do what they originally ridiculed and chided me for. ...

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AntcuFaalb said:

skoal said:

Jetrell and Antcu just cooperatively

FWIW, the whole "-Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3" is a joke from off-topic. I haven't spoken with Jetrell Fo about this at all.

 

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#773005
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I guess I'll stop replying for a while because this has turned into a flame war and I don't play well with fire, I really don't.

However, I do have to comment because some things just don't work well.

I asked for confirmation in posts before the one you quoted and I, to use your words, "attacked" your writing style because you didn't write anything of substance to, "attack", which I explained clearly.

Rather then say I should reply to Jetrell though PM, I think Jetrell should have replied to me via PM first. But you don't freely give that because even though you say you 're neutral, I don't think you really are.

Lastly, I get what you mean, however I never said this was a private conversation, and you had no right or reason to interject or reply. What I said was something rather different, but I don't think you care enough. So that's that.

And I like how you didn't even address the fact that Jetrell ridiculed and chided me for asking for confirmation, and then you suggested I ask for confirmation again. It's like you just want me to say things you can ridicule and chide me over.

AntcuFaalb said:

skoal said:

All in all, I already said what you suggested someone say with thick skin should have said. And after I said the statement that someone with thick skin should have said is when Jetrell stated to ridicule and chide me.

Yes, I know because I copied the first line of my suggested post from your first reply to Jetrell. My issue is that you also needlessly said the following:

skoal said:

I don't understand what you're saying and I don't understand what you have an issue or problem with.

Maybe you're just having a bad day, but why take it out on me? I want to go through most of the points you made to show why I don't understand and that perhaps my view is just as valid as yours. But time is precious and I don't play well with fire.

Also, you're not coming off mean, just non-sensical and somewhat manic. Seriously and sheesh!

WTF? There was no need for this. I don't agree with Jetrell, but for someone who claims to not play with fire you did a real bang-up job at making sure Jetrell would reply to you.

skoal said:

A person who minds their own wouldn't take the time to interject silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies in a conversation they weren't a part of and if they did interject they would do so with words (intelligent speech) that could be responded to rather than silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies. I knew to expect this kind of response from some people here, but not you. Wow.

This isn't a private conservation. You're on a WWW forum. If you didn't want people to interject, then your first reply to Jetrell should have been a PM.

I'm sure you understood what I wrote in previous posts well enough to write a point-by-point reply. Yes, I use silly sarcasm and ironic idiosyncrasies. So what? Attacking my writing style rather than my message says a whole lot more about you than my writing style does about me. Plus, you damn well know you're skating along the ad hominem border here. Watch your step!

skoal said:

Lastly, perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think you're the expert on what people with thick-skin should or should not say, nor do I think there are expert on anything related. But hey, I could be wrong.

No, but I never claimed to be. I suggested what I thought a thick-skinned person should have written in reply to Jetrell. What the fuck does my lack of expertise in skin thickness have to do with my post? One does need not be an expert in something to mention it in conversation. I don't (and shouldn't need to!) ask people to show me their degree in CS when they want to suggest some way for me to improve an algorithm I'm working on.

Very sincerely not-butthurtedly yours,

-Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3

 

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#772998
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Jetrell and Antcu just cooperatively or non-cooperatively ganged up on me and ridiculed chiding me for asking something, then ridiculing and chiding me again, and then suggested I do what they originally ridiculed and chided me for. Seriously, go read back what you guys just did, it's ridiculous and you both seem so foolish for acting with such disservice to the community and other fellow film fans.

If you read back Jetrell ridiculed and chided me for asking for confirmation regarding directional sound/panning and missing dialog in the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD of 2001: ASO.

Then Antcu (basically) made in fun of me and then moments later Antcu goes on to say that "A person with thick skin" would just ask confirmation from others, but that's just what Jetrell ridiculed and chided me for. You guys are seriously messed up for doing this, it's not only mean it's cruel. And this is not about thick or thin skin, but whatever.

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#772994
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Antcu your timeline and understanding, I think, is wrong, I've been asking others to confirm Spaced findings and have provided new information to help with this endeavor. All in all, I already said what you suggested someone say with thick skin should have said. And after I said the statement that someone with thick skin should have said is when Jetrell stated to ridicule and chide me.

A person who minds their own wouldn't take the time to interject silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies in a conversation they weren't a part of and if they did interject they would do so with words (intelligent speech) that could be responded to rather than silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies. I knew to expect this kind of response from some people here, but not you. Wow.

Lastly, perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think you're the expert on what people with thick-skin should or should not say, nor do I think there are expert on anything related. But hey, I could be wrong.

AntcuFaalb said:

skoal said:

You're typed something, but it really doesn't mean anything, especially when taken in context of this conversation. Could you try to explain again?

You're butthurt because:

1. Jetrell took issue with you because he believes that you don't have faith in Spaced Ranger's research

2. Jetrell asked you to do your own research

I don't necessarily agree with him on either point, but it also makes no sense for you to get so worked-up from them. A person with thick skin wouldn't have perceived Jetrell's post as ridiculing or chiding.

Your first reply to him should have been:

skoal said:

Jetrell, my posts have (new) information and I'm posting (my) comments and asking for comments as well.

Can someone please independently verify Spaced Ranger's claims?

And that's it.

 

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#772988
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Thank you, however I don't need you to hand-hold me asking questions, nor do I need you to act like you are hand-holding me asking questions, and lastly, you don't have to ask questions I've already asked, unless you have a genuine interest in them. And regarding this question, it doesn't seem like you have an interest since you ridiculed and chided my initial inquiries regarding this. Your post just make you look more superfluous and overbearing then I hope you are IRL.

If anyone is interested, my past posts indicate a definitive directional sound scene. Dates from the VOB files would be the most useful in knowing if there is a secret switch-out or not., however complimentary reliable reports regarding directional sound and missing dialog details would also be indicative.

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#772984
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And some people disregard, negate, and diminish others and opinions with silly sarcasm or ironic idiosyncrasies. You're typed something, but it really doesn't mean anything, especially when taken in context of this conversation. Could you try to explain again?

I prefer not to argue and stuff, however I don't understand the negativity and I think it's important (at least sometimes) to respond and explain as is possible.

AntcuFaalb said:

skoal said:

ridiculing and chiding

Please, please, please choose two different words to use. I can't read these two words anymore. My eyes are bleeding. Thanks.

AntcuFaalb said:

sinders said:

Some people take offense to sarcasm.

Thin skin doesn't hold up well around here.

Thin skin doesn't hold up well IRL either.

QFT from the Team Blu thread.

-Teams Jetrell Fo 2 and Jetrell Fo 3

 

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#772975
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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I disagree, you are, in fact, ridiculing and chiding. You can have your opinion, others can have their opinion, and I can have my opinion.

And if you want to take this to PM so others don't have to share in our disagreement, feel free to do so. However, you started the ridicule and chiding in public and I'm just responding in public.

Jetrell Fo said:

You're taking what I've said out of context.  I am NOT ridiculing you or chiding you.

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#772970
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Just that line alone tells me something is wrong with you (at least today).

First off that's somewhat foreboding and second if you don't have a personal issue with me and don't want one either then why ridicule and chide me?!?!? Seriosuly and sheesh!

Jetrell Fo said:

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I have no personal issue with you.  I don't want one either.

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#772965
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Again, I'm assuming you're just having a bad day because what you're saying is that if someone doesn't do research themselves it gives you the right to ridicule and chide them.

Spaced did research, but it's like we're a community and we do things to help and share, but you're attitude is so caustic. Seriously and sheesh!  

Lastly and more importantly, there is major confusion regarding Spaced research because Spaced is saying/relaying/alluding-to/implying there are 2 different DVD releases Warner made of 2001: ASO in 1999. 

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#772960
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Jetrell, my posts have (new) information and I'm posting (my) comments and asking for comments as well.

I don't understand what you're saying and I don't understand what you have an issue or problem with.

Maybe you're just having a bad day, but why take it out on me? I want to go through most of the points you made to show why I don't understand and that perhaps my view is just as valid as yours. But time is precious and I don't play well with fire.

Also, you're not coming off mean, just non-sensical and somewhat manic. Seriously and sheesh!

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#772953
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Idea & Info: Cinerama 70mm '2001' preservation. Is it possible?
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Can other 2001: ASO fans check this out and provide comments?

Also, can someone else besides Spaced confirm the "I read you" line and the directional dialog (in the scene I pointed out here) on the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD? There may be 2 different 1999 Warner DVDs (see here), however this has yet to be confirmed (at least in my opinion).

Observations regarding the 1998 MGM DVD:

  1. The "Stargate" sequence soundtrack seems really different.
  2. The orchestral music during 'Dawn of Man' scenes *in Space* sounds better on the re-mix.
  3. The 1998 MGM DVD is ~4.5 seconds off from the 2007 DVD (don't know about the others).

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#772792
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What matters most (to me) is if there is a DVD with 5.1 Dolby Digital, with the "I read you", and with directional dialog during the scene I mentioned. 

Until there are many confirmations I can't/won't believe that there are 2 versions of the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD.

Perhaps I missed it, however I don't see where you mention which version (MGM or non-MGM) of the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD you have.

Spaced Ranger said:

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The trueWarner 1999 DVD disc has the "WB" logo and this picture for it's background photo:

...

 

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#772784
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Spaced,  I'm unsure about your research, however if you can help, please let us know about the directional dialog (see below) for the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD that you own. Thanks.

The conversation @~24:45 is highly directional in the 1998 MGM DVD and not directional in the 2007 (3rd) Warner DVD. Specifically these lines:

- Good morning, sir.
- Good morning.
- We haven't seen you up here for a long time.
- No. Very nice to see you again.
- Did you have a pleasant flight, sir?
- Yes, very nice, thanks.

Can anyone comment on the 1999 (1st) and 2001 (2nd) Warner DVD releases. Thanks.

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#772668
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The Audio Preservation Thread
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Regarding ANOES, has anyone ripped these digital LD soundtracks?


http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/06698/EE3733/Nightmare-on-Elm-Street-A:-Special-Edition-(1984) (Dolby Surround)


http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/06699/EE3734/Nightmare-on-Elm-Street-A-(1984) (Chace Surround Stereo)

Buster D said:

I'm pretty sure only analog audio LDs exist for the original mono mix of A Nightmare on Elm Street, I might be able to help you with a couple of the others on your list though.  I'll PM you later.

 

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#772589
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I'm interested in the '11/02/1999' timestamp because the 1999 (1st) Warner DVD was (according to AMZ) released on '06/29/1999'. It's entirely possible there are silent switch-outs due to the many Kubrick collections (re-)released.

Anyone willing to help, I'm really interested in which LDs, DVDs, and Blu-Rays have:

  1. Directional sound/panning (This post might point out an example of the direction sound) 
  2. "I read you" line
  3. LFE channel active (if 5.1) (See this post)

Also, this post and this post , both from Spaced, shows covers.

Edit: The conversation @~24:45 is highly directional in the 1998 MGM DVD and not directional in the 2007 (3rd) Warner DVD. Specifically these lines:

- Good morning, sir.
- Good morning.
- We haven't seen you up here for a long time.
- No. Very nice to see you again.
- Did you have a pleasant flight, sir?
- Yes, very nice, thanks. 

Can anyone comment on the 1999 (1st) and 2001 (2nd) Warner DVD releases. Thanks.

Spaced Ranger said:

... here is this disc's movie-files listing from Windows Explorer:

     VTS_01_1.VOB    1,048,574 KB    11/02/1999 06:16 PM
...

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     VTS_01_8.VOB       430,240 KB    11/02/1999 06:43 PM

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#772310
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Yes, perhaps there is a silent switch... also please recheck the covers/years/releases/missing line, thanks. I'm hoping there is a NTSC DVD  English 5.1 version with directional sound/panning that also includes the "I read you" line.

1998 MGM

1998 MGM

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1999 (1st) Warner

1999 (1st) Warner

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2001 (2nd) Warner

2001 (2nd) Warner

From http://www.thedigitalbits.com/site_archive/reviews/2001.html

Also, if you read the link, please keep in mind the reviewer thinks the MGM and 1999 (1st) Warner releases are identical and which release the review is referring to is confusing at times.