sherlockpotter

Hal 9000 said:

sherlockpotter said:

https://streamable.com/kpaie8

Thanks for making so many passes at this, as it seems to have paid off. Sounds totally natural.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXNMJgOoY-U&t=44s

Awesome, thanks to everyone for your feedback and for bearing with me on it! I’ll go back to the “I am a Jedi” line next and see if that can be smoothed out some more. Between Cap and myself, I think that we’ll be able to crack that one!

https://streamable.com/kpaie8

Thanks, all!

Hal, I actually didn’t have to add anything more to it, believe it or not. The “Find Exegol, find the Emperor” lines were already in the original; I just spaced them out a little bit more for pacing purposes.

DMC, I never would have thought about mirroring the footage. I think it works very well your way, but I could go either way on it. (Of course, you just know that someone out there is gonna complain that the Aurebesh is backwards lol.)

Hal 9000 said:

That’s a good observation, about that scene playing into Leia somehow knowing Rey’s parentage. I’m not sure removing it would help the film’s overly fast pacing, though, as you’d have to smash from “We must find Exegol” to the Falcon’s fuel thing being uncoupled in closeup.

That little scene does establish that Rey is following Luke’s journal which is important to understand.

Even without the idea that Leia “knows,” the scene shows Leia’s misgivings about the darkness and/or inexperience that Rey senses within herself and fears.

Proof-of-concept for how this scene could be cut down. I didn’t spend a lot of time on audio fades, but what do you think of this?

I almost think this works better with what you were saying about Leia’s worries - Leia now reacts to “I’m going to Exegol” (a Sith stronghold), rather than her reacting to “Bitch, don’t tell me what to do.” And you still get the exposition that Rey is following Luke’s notes.

https://streamable.com/jrtw58

I’m just gonna leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KseqzmcqQBQ&t=13s

I think the main problem with 3PO’s memory wipe is that the film itself doesn’t even know how it wants to play it. On one hand, they frame it as a touching farewell/sacrifice (“You know the odds better than any of us.”…“Taking one last look, sir, at my friends.”) But then every other moment, they turn it into a farce. (“I’ve just thought of something else we can try-”…“Whoever this Chewie person is, this is madness.”…“How dare you? We only just met!”

So half of the memory wipe stuff is dramatic, and half of it makes 3PO the butt of the joke; if we want to commit to a tone here, we’d basically have to cut half of the references to the memory wipe either way.

Something else I was thinking about: Does anyone else think it’s kind of weird when Rey is telling Leia that they have exactly one chance of saving the galaxy before everything is destroyed, and Leia’s response is essentially, “…Nah”? I wonder if there would be some way of supplying Leia with some clarifying dialogue (“Once you’re training is finished…” “You’re not ready for this yet…”). Either that, or just cut straight from “Find Exegol. Find the Emperor.” to Leia looking up, to Rey refueling the Falcon.

Why on earth would Leia reject the one potential chance they have? Why does Rey care about Leia’s “blessing”? If Leia has a legitimate reason for rejecting the plan, why doesn’t she argue the point? (The answer for all of this is that “Disney had a shot of Carrie Fisher saying ‘No,’ and wrote this entire, stupid exchange to capitalize on that shot.”)

Hal 9000 said:

And, if anything, I’d prefer to imply 3PO never regains his memory other than R2 verbally bringing him up to speed. I don’t think invoking prequel memories would be advisable or possible to pull off.

In that case, have you considered cutting the memory restoration scene from V2?

Yeah, I always thought the original version sounded fine, but I can also understand the argument about changing the inflection of the sentence.

With that said, what do we think of this? https://streamable.com/omqjmh

I was rewatching some clips from V1, and something stood out to me right at the end - when it goes from Rey’s Theme to the End Credit fanfare, it’s like there’s an extra note in there or something? So rather than hitting the end credits immediately, it’s almost like it hiccups a wee bit? Am I imagining it?

Since we’re still waiting on the last VFX shots anyway, I’ll probably try to smooth out that fade into “end” a bit more. But now I know to focus my efforts on Version B. Thanks for the feedback, everyone! I’m glad to know it’s so close!

bbghost said:

sherlockpotter said:
The vision…I’m less certain about. I still love the idea, and it’s something I’ve been meaning to work on myself; but something about it feels too subtle here, I think. I’m worried it doesn’t quite jive with the hyper-agressive way J.J. films his vision sequences in the other parts of the movie, so instead it feels like a nice, tranquil shot of the Death Star. That said, if it matches the tone you’re looking for in your edit, that’s what matters. I do think the concept is effective, and it’s great to see an example of it!

Thanks! It does fit more or less with the rest of the edit, I’ve added other visions and insert shots around the place (see here) that gesture at this kind of style rather than the more frenetic one JJ is fond of. I will definitely be tweaking this a lot more, though.

Oh I see. That’s awesome! And yeah, the other vision will fit in perfectly now.

In other news, I’ve been playing with a new reading of the word “end” for the Leia training. I’m at the point now where I need a clean set of ears to listen to it. Let me know how it sounds, and if you think this version works any better than the other!

Old version (Version A): https://streamable.com/y02l42
New Version (Version B): https://streamable.com/6dn00m

I really like not having the screams in the cave. The added whispers convey the same sense that the dagger is powerful, ancient, and evil; and not having the screams helps it to feel more mystical. Really nice job cleaning that up!

The vision…I’m less certain about. I still love the idea, and it’s something I’ve been meaning to work on myself; but something about it feels too subtle here, I think. I’m worried it doesn’t quite jive with the hyper-agressive way J.J. films his vision sequences in the other parts of the movie, so instead it feels like a nice, tranquil shot of the Death Star. That said, if it matches the tone you’re looking for in your edit, that’s what matters. I do think the concept is effective, and it’s great to see an example of it!

Hal 9000 said:

And it somehow doesn’t seem right to have Kylo mutter about Chewie at the transport. At the very least it would lack the ability to contrive the sort of beat such a line of dialogue would require in a movie like this.

That was a concern, definitely. I can see how it would play out if I were filming the scene myself; but I wasn’t sure if we had enough at this point to have it land effectively.

I don’t think Kylo would have known Chewie was on the ship though. When Chewie was being (stupidly) captured, Kylo was 40,000 miles away, (stupidly) trying to get a running start to (stupidly) try to mow Rey down (but not really! …Stupidly.) So in my mind, Kylo crashed, strolled up cool as a cucumber, saw that Rey was trying to hold onto a transport ship, and thought, “Oho, not so fast, Rey! You’ve got to be stronger than that if you’re going to help me murder your evil zombie grandfather clone!”

“Oh wait f*ck did they just say Chewie was on that ship?? Oh no! My quest to find more power has resulted in my killing one of my oldest friends. Perhaps the Dark Side is…wrong???”

I dunno, I’m just spitballing here. This whole sequence is one of the least thought out in the whole story, which is a pretty high bar in this film.

I don’t know if there’s a spot (or dialogue) for this, but what if Kylo says “Chewie…” softly to himself after everyone thinks the transport ship blows up? Considering that he must’ve known Chewie for his entire childhood, surely he would be upset by his apparent death? It might be a way to paint Kylo in more shades of grey, rather than “Grrr…I’m gonna kill people on my quest for power. Oh wait, I’m good now.”

bbghost said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Eh, it’s just a nosy old lady who probably remembers when Owen and Beru lived there.

EDIT: It’s also worth noting that having her ask “Rey who?” is meant to mirror the Aki Aki girl from earlier in the film (the one that asks for her family name).

I’ve spent so much time now in the version of this film where I’ve cut out most of Terrio’s “characters saying things that other characters have already said” style of trying to imbue writing with meaning and import that I forget sometimes just how awful the script is lmao.

That’s a brilliant way of explaining it; just because the Old Lady™ is referencing what the kid said, it doesn’t make either line any less awkward or cliché. What other instances of referencing earlier lines have you found? There’s that time where 3PO’s “emotional” farewell speech is just copied from a line Poe says earlier, the whole thing with Finn having “a feeling” just like Jannah had “a feeling,” and Poe’s motivational speech to the Resistance (“The First Order wins by making us think we’re alone. We’re not alone.”) just aping off of what Keri Russell told him earlier. (There’s also Keri Russell’s “There’s more of us” followed by Lando’s same line, but to Terrio’s credit, that feels more like an attempt at setup than self-plagerism.)

EddieDean said:

It is a weirdly direct way of asking the question. “Rey whOOo?” It’s aggressive.

That’s why I’d like to remind everyone that we do have the right audio in the right tone to have her snappishly answer “None of your business, that’s who!”

“Make it so.”

oviniboy said:

CamSMurph said:

I wonder, has Hal listed off all the things he would like to do with TRoS, but can’t due to the limited resources he has at his disposal? That would certainly be an engaging read! 😄

-Remake the whole movie from scratch

completely out of budget, but a really engaging idea

This is the true Episode IX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-EouZi1mvQ

Master Lawdog said:

Going back to that ReSpeech software, if you can clone a voice and have it speak based on a recording of someone else’s voice, would it be possible to replace Ewan McGregor’s voice with Alec Guinness’, Hayden Christensen’s with Sebastian Shaw’s and Ashley Eckstein’s with Rosario Dawson’s?

I know that this idea sounds very unlikely, but it would be neat to try out. Along with doing this with Obi-Wan’s “These are your first steps” from The Force Awakens.

Do you think it might be good to look for footage of Sebastian Shaw from other material so Jon H. can use it as a resource if he does a version of Anakin’s ghost portrayed by Shaw?

That sounds like…a lot lol. Considering that it’s a paid service (and it sounds like it’s paid per-line, from what I can tell from the website), and the amount of data that would have to be provided to train the AI, this sounds like it’s probably outside the realm of possibility. But hey, this fan edit in particular has pushed the boundaries considerably already.

I wonder, has there been any word from that YouTuber who had trained his own Adam Driver AI? I think you said he was revising his algorithm or something when we requested a few different lines a while back?

I amended my comment to specify anyone who is able to should get the vaccine - yours sounds like a legitimate health concern, and I respect that - but for the most part this is science, not “different opinions.” It shouldn’t be controversial to say that vaccines are important.

Not that I want to turn this into a Covid thread; just me offering moral support to a friend.

Movies Remastered said:

I was supposed to return to work last Saturday but 80% of my staff caught Covid from Fridays event and we had to close before I even got to run my event. I can’t do anything until I can return to work and afford a new computer unfortunately.

Yeah, we all used video co pilot plug-in. It’s awesome but a nightmare to get all the layer effects looking good as it’s a frame by frame task plus animating masks. I can’t even open after effects to give someone my settings. Sorry!

I appreciate those getting in touch and asking after me but life really sucks right now.

Ah man, that seriously sucks. I hope things turns around for you soon!

This is why everyone who can should get vaccinated ASAP.

RogueLeader said:

If I knew which effects were used for the other scenes, I could potentially chip away at the remaining saber sequences. Maybe I could just find something similar in After Effects.

I know MoviesRemastered was working on the other scenes before his computer started acting up earlier this summer. I’m not sure what his current status is (You okay, MR?), but I would check with him, see if he has any suggestions.

RogueLeader said:

I have to say, I’m really happy with the reception the puppet show has gotten. It’s not a big thing, but it seems like it will be a nice little detail fans will notice.

I mean, it’s “not a big thing” in that it forges a direct connection between the final film in the trilogy and its predecessor, thereby allowing TROS to function as an actual continuation instead of a clusterf*ck of bad story decisions and amateur writing faux pas.

Not a big thing? Mm-kay.

Hello! I know, it’s been a while, hasn’t it? I feel like a lot of people (myself included) just sort of fell off for a little while there for various reasons, but hopefully we’ll have more time in the future. Good luck with the new setup!

That sounds really awesome though - I forgot that the vision in the beginning now foreshadows some of the Exegol battle, so discussing that and dissecting both parts of the vision across the two scenes sounds like a good way to go. Helps to draw attention to the battle too, so people like me who might have missed it at first would be caught up to speed.

As for trimming it down, I think it would depend on how much footage you need for your new dialogue - if you’ll need the footage underneath “It was Palpatine all along.” then we should focus on just removing the dialogue; but if you don’t need that extra time, we can look for a point at which to cut it entirely. Once you have the audio locked in how you want it to sound, we can figure out how best to edit it so that the scene has the right momentum.

Haha yeah, the extra Palpatine shot was just me having a bit of a laugh after listening to the same 3 seconds of dialogue for days on end. It won’t be in the final version, don’t worry.

I’m almost positive there’s already a lightsaber ignition sound in the original, but it is fairly quiet in the mix. It happens right before the sound drops out, mid-ramp up, just before the big DOUBLE LIGHTSABER LIGHTNING BLOCK TAKEDOWN MOVE!!! If we wanted a more obvious sound effect, that’s definitely a valid suggestion; but to the film’s very limited credit, J.J. didn’t just forget to activate the lightsaber entirely.