well simple rotoscoping can be done. that is doable. but if were talking about creating new elements, that's something else entirely. That's the thing about many of these edits: enhancing things with roto and paint work is one thing, but creating new elements is much more difficult.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Ghost said:
shanerjedi said:
*chants* video mock up video mock up video mock up
I'll second that.
lol you guys are funny...I'm a bit busy at the moment...i have several projects i'm jumping back and forth between now...including: pretty much the last have of ROTS (trying to figure out how everything should go down...i still think keeping Vader a secret is possible) and an entirely new scene for TPM! :D
I'm with you all the way on that point. I'm just not sure if it can be done with the available footage. I look forward to what you come up with.
Bingowings said:
If you are Gnostic gnosis means knowledge of spiritual mystery (revelation of hidden truth).
Yes, and I think this should be worked into AOTC. Geonosis should be a place that reveals hidden truths. Whether that's Dooku telling Kenobi the full prophecy or that a sith controls the republic, I don't know. But there are some very good ideas here and elsewhere.
Well, say someone you find has a X-wing uniform. Could they maybe modify the gloves and boots for these distant shots? I'm thinking of a inexpensive solution like going to a store and purchasing a pair of cheap winter gloves matching that color and boots maybe modified too.
How big will Luke be in these shots anyway? If he's small enough, you might be able to get away with that possibility.
adywan said:
Monroville said:
Looking good so far.. still can't say I care for the extra Wampa footage. I liked the glimpses of the Wampa as it is approaching per the original, as (at least for me) it added to the suspense that the Wampa was relatively far away and moving to Luke. With the SE, the Wampa is right there almost eyeballing him, which makes you wonder why it takes so long to rush up on Luke much less where the wailing is coming from if his mouth is full.
And I know it's beating a dead horse (or Taun Taun?) but I can't believe NOTHING can be done with Han's TT, be it a fast eye blink or the eyes looking around a bit, as opposed to simply straight ahead with that dead puppet stare. At the same time, I know it's easier said than done. The comparisons 005 put up are still boggling my mind as to how you did 'em...The wampa footage was only added to fill the gaps really. The shots will be nothing like that when its all finished. I want to keep it as close to the original pre-SE pacing and mystery as possible
The problem with the taun taun is the erratic movement. It is a nightmare to track to do anything with
Yahoo!
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:
Bingowings said:
Do I detect a video mockup on the way SSWR?
No no. lol Just thought I'd throw my two cents in there.... ;)
*chants* video mock up video mock up video mock up
I just don't think it would be clear enough to go in after the fact and add a shot or two of the moon graphic without a line or two of dialogue stating: "moving into firing position sir" or something like that.
Bingowings said:
The ideal place would be just as Ackbar says "Move the fleet away from the Death Star" (which would need to be shunted after the fighters have gone in), one of his aides could come back with "but sir it's moving away from us!".
Brief exterior shot of the Death Star drifting out of it's previous orbit.
Then show the screen on the Death Star Command centre targeting the Endor moon and starting the countdown and then continue with the race to the reactor core.
You'd also have to possibly add a line or two of dubbed in dialogue during the command centre targeting saying something like: "we're moving into position for final plan or Order 666(:p)" or something like that. make it sound like the empire planned on having the last laugh after all.
Ghost said:
That is a good point Bingo. It would be nice to see the DS move away from Endor and get Endor on it's radar. It would make the whole walking into a trap line be alot more suspensful.
All of this would also make the Holocaust Theory make more sense.
It would take some skilled cuts though so the pace of the film doesn't suffer or drag.
Great job Vaderios on both enhancements. B)
Bingowings said:
Yes I know it's fantasy but if Luke suddenly made the Emperor vanish by clicking his fingers it would break the rules of the fantasy.
Star Wars treads a line between high fantasy (with magic and fairy folk) and space opera (with people who have alien abilities and interdimensional beings).
A big explosion right next to an occupied planet sized moon still has consequences in the Star Wars universe (it's why Ackbar moves the fleet away before it explodes) you can't move Endor out of the way but you can move the station and having it getting into position to blow up the Endor and the fleet parked next to it gives us a reason for it move which adds tension to the story.
Well look, I'm all for the little subplot of the the DS moving into position to blow up Endor as a last resort. However, maybe it's a suicidal gesture? Even the novel hints at that. I just don't see any need to add an explanation for the debris. I always assumed it burned up in the atmosphere. Yeah, not real, but good enough. Sounds in space, not real, but cool for SW.
vaderios said:
Ady: something you may want to keep in mind with this scene: the light source seems to be on the far right, going by the lighting and shadows on the Executor and its escort. If that is the case, the underside of Needa's SD should be pretty dark, as opposed to brightly lit, which would suggest a light source underneath.
Let me think about it....
Very quick try this:
-Angel
I love that new underside. It's more dramatic. great job Angel.
I love Ady's new Bespin shots. Aw heck, I love all the new shots! One thing I love about most of them is that they feel like the originals but I know some enhancements have been made.
Most respectful work Adywan.
This is absurd. The ships make sounds in space for God's sakes! This is a fantasy set in space. This is not a realistic portrayal of anything really. This is an portrayal of archetypes.
Sweet Lord.
DarthBo said:
What bothers me most is the snow. It looks like a close-up, and there's not a single footprint. How does that work? :P
I do like the upper half though!
Well, I think Angel intends his mock ups to be more proof of concept or to stimulate new ideas. They're not really supposed to be finished shots.
5 by 5 said:
shanerjedi said:
ron2112 said:
brash_stryker said:
Bingowings said:
Another re-jig of Angel's work, this time adding a bit of the atmosphere that Frink missed in the original.
I like it! Definitely an improvement. No offense to Angel, but everything seemed too crisp in his version.
The thing is, you don't want to go too white on the snow. Yes, snow is white, but it's also reflective. A field of snow under a blue sky will have just the slightest tinge of blue. I know we're looking to de-blue things, but this is one area where it can easily be overdone if one's not careful.
Some times these mockups go too far by half. Just take the original shot, add some people to the background interacting with the frigate, and maybe a silhouette of another one in the background.
No need for new mtns, new skies, etc.
Define "go too far by half". How exactly are new mountains, new skies harmful? As long as continuity is protected I don't see any real harm. I'm not speaking to personal taste, I'm referring to actual "harm" to the project or film.
I didn't say "harm". You did. All I meant by "too far by half" is that the mockups work best when they take an existing shot and add bits here and there, not keeping bits and creating the rest.
One thing that would help is to put one of the freighters slightly out of frame instead of all of them right in the middle.
ron2112 said:
brash_stryker said:
Bingowings said:
Another re-jig of Angel's work, this time adding a bit of the atmosphere that Frink missed in the original.
I like it! Definitely an improvement. No offense to Angel, but everything seemed too crisp in his version.
The thing is, you don't want to go too white on the snow. Yes, snow is white, but it's also reflective. A field of snow under a blue sky will have just the slightest tinge of blue. I know we're looking to de-blue things, but this is one area where it can easily be overdone if one's not careful.
Some times these mockups go too far by half. Just take the original shot, add some people to the background interacting with the frigate, and maybe a silhouette of another one in the background.
No need for new mtns, new skies, etc.
SilverKey said:
This is not on the current topic, but here are some random thoughts I had on the Prophecy and the Sith.
First of all, I like the idea of the Prophecy. It adds something extra to Anakin's character, and to the scene where he destroys the Emperor in ROTJ: he has finally fullfilled his destiny. It's a nice little tie between the two trilogies. The handling of the Prophecy is totally botched though. I don't think Lucas had even thought it out before he wrote ROTS.
I'd like what the Prophecy is to be mentioned in TPM. As it is, we don't find it what it is until ROTS, and by that time we don't care anymore. I think it could be done with some dialogue tweaks: "You refer to the Prophecy of the one who will [destroy the Sith and] bring balance to the Force. You believe it's this boy?" I think the Prophecy has to be mentioned here because Qui-Gon just told the Council the Sith might have returned, and just brought them the kid who he thinks is chosen to destroy them. The Jedi should realize here there are bigger things going on. I'd like TPM to end with the Jedi concluding that the Sith have returned indeed (as it already does), but add that they realize they need Anakin and have to train him to fulfull his destiny, and not just to throw Obi-Wan a bone.
The Prophecy is mentioned in AOTC, but the return of the Sith should be much more prominent. The Jedi don't seem to be investigating the matter at all. A scene was shot where Mace and Yoda talk about the Sith not having shown themselves in the past 10 years, but it was cut. Bits of pieces of it are on the AOTC DVD. Maybe it would a good idea to have the Jedi mention they are still searching for the Sith (maybe in the scene with the Chancellor or in a Jedi Council scene, after Yoda mentions the Dark Side is clouding everything).
In ROTS, the Prophecy is pretty prominent too. I'd like Anakin to mention it to Mace when he goes to confront Palpatine: "Master the Chancellor is very powerful. [I am the Chosen One] you'll need my help". To conclude the Prophecy in ROTS, maybe Obi-Wan could say to Yoda that everything is lost, and there can be no balance now. Yoda could say something to the effect that there still is a change for balance, and then have them discuss the fate of the twins, setting up that Luke will help his father to balance the Force. I don't really know if these changes in dialogue are possible though.
Random thought: would it be a good idea to put some Vader-shaped statues in Palpatine's office? I always imagined Vader's suit to have a bit more of a history behind it, but as it is, he just gets it slapped on. Palpatine has more Sith inspired art in his office, so it might be nice if the statues give us a clue at where Vader's suit comes from. Maybe it's ancient Sith armor or something like that.
Dude, I love your ideas.
I really like the idea too that tin TPM, we think the prophecy is just on the jedi side.
What if in AOTC it's tweaked so that Dooku tells Benobi the truth: it's also a sith prophecy?
That coupled with the offer to join him would indeed be a powerful combo.
TV's Frink said:
mrbenja0618 said:
I don't believe they would tell Palpatine anymore than they have to. They don't like giving up to many Jedi details.... So, to me the Jedi searching for the Sith is something that's under the surface. We know they are looking for them based on TPM... The Jedi are supposed to be wise and make their words few.
Which makes Windu's line, about informing the Senate of their diminishing powers, completely idiotic.
You could make a whole book of Jedi Quotes for dummies by dummies just off of Windu's lines.
Ghost said:
what does gnosis mean?
Geonosis.
Great point up there Bingo.
No, what is the definition of GNOSIS? Look it up.
Ziz said:
shanerjedi said:
TheBoost said:
I just watched "Labrynth" and the sequence where the puppet-monsters took off their heads. It was effects by ILM using men in black velvelt suits and old school double exposures and optical matting, but it got me thinking about Yoda.
Imagine for a moment, if in AOTC, instead of a CGI Yoda, we had a fully realized puppet capable of all sorts of amazing things the original puppet was not capable of, because ILM would digitally erase puppeteers from the frame!
Yoda could be simultaneously manipulated from below, above, and boths sides, allowing an unimaginable range of movement and expression for a puppet, while keeping that intrinsic heart and reality a puppet carries.
If only.
Actually, that was a British fx house. ILM just did the matte paintings for the film.
The name you're looking for is "Henson", as in Muppets.
No, it's not. Henson did the characters. I'm talking about the visual effects.
Bingowings said:
I must be one of the few people who actually like the chosen one thing (all be it not the way it was handled).
The vagaries of prophecy and the unexpected nature of what they actual mean is a classic mythic theme.
One of the EU aspects of the story I like too is the idea that the Sith too have a chosen one myth and that Anakin fulfills both prophecies (sort of like the antichrist turning out to be the messiah at a latter date).
It's also very Taoist, Anakin does his messianic act while a Sith Lord and his satanic act as a Jedi, very Yin/Yang.
Shame it never ended up in the film because it's a clever idea.
After recently watching Willow it's a shame in some ways because that film (for all it's faults) used a lot of the mythic themes that could have been in the PT and Val Kilmer back then would have made a really good Harrison Ford analogue (shame he disappeared up his own rear end later in his career).
It also felt more like a Star Wars film than the PT did most of the time.
Yep. me and a cohort on TF.net back in the day talked about the Jedi and Sith both searching for the chosen one. TPM would be like a hunt for the jedi and sith.
what does gnosis mean?
Akwat Kbrana said:
The ROTJ Tatooine trip actually made a little sense, considering the fact that we first meet Han there in ANH and are concurrently informed of the price on his head. It's not a huge stretch of logic to see Jabba as connected with Tatooine, particularly if you grant the SE Jabba scene as authentic. Add to that the fact that Fett delivers Han to Jabba, and you've got a nice little coincidence in the appearance of this "backwater" planet twice in the trilogy, but by no means an unbelievable or overly "convenient" one.
PT Tatooine superfluousness, on the other hand, just stretches credulity to the breaking point.
Uhhh....... :p
TheBoost said:
I just watched "Labrynth" and the sequence where the puppet-monsters took off their heads. It was effects by ILM using men in black velvelt suits and old school double exposures and optical matting, but it got me thinking about Yoda.
Imagine for a moment, if in AOTC, instead of a CGI Yoda, we had a fully realized puppet capable of all sorts of amazing things the original puppet was not capable of, because ILM would digitally erase puppeteers from the frame!
Yoda could be simultaneously manipulated from below, above, and boths sides, allowing an unimaginable range of movement and expression for a puppet, while keeping that intrinsic heart and reality a puppet carries.
If only.
Actually, that was a British fx house. ILM just did the matte paintings for the film.
rcb said:
by tatooine-ish, do you mean more of what it looked like in the PT or in ady's Episodoe IV revisited when R2's in the canyons?
Like Star Wars: Revisited. Tatooine in the PT looks too much like Geonosis and vice-versa.
doubleofive said:
shanerjedi said:
TV's Frink said:
shanerjedi said:
I'm also for taking the extended podrace scenes on the TPM DVD and cutting some of them into the film cut and then shortening the podrace to two laps by taking some existing scenes out. For instance, there's a cool shot of Anakin on the deleted scene where one of his engines comes off and his pod starts spinning but he keeps his cool and hooks it back up. Shows he has the skills.
If I remember correctly, that bit where Anakin is spinning was a deleted scene as far as the Theatrical goes, but on the DVD George added it into the film. Having said that, I hate that bit. That magnetic tool is lame.
shanerjedi said:
Maybe replace those Tusken's with Aayla Secura?(if that could be done).
If there was another Jedi on Tatooine, wouldn't she be helping her fellow Jedi out?
Ah dammit. I hate these prequel names. I was thinking of that bounty hunter with the pale skin. The woman with the big guns.
The girl who is standing around during the podrace and Lucas swore up and down was going to play a major role in Episode 2? I'd rather have her deleted, and while corny, Tuskens shooting at the race for giggles makes more sense than an obvious assassin take pot shots at pod racers.
Yeah because obviously no one like Sebulba or anyone else who wanted him to win would have her try and take Anakin out of the race right?
But yeah, reducing the threatening Tuskens in ANH to slapstick counterparts in the PT sounds great!
