The OT needs to stay as far away from any video game image as possible. The PT was compared enough to video games as is because of the cluttering mess some of the shots were.
The OT deserves better.
that's a good point. maybe someone could enhance the original mattes by taking away the lights and darkening the dish tower?
I still favour a small American Graffiti-style montage closeout with music and a small description of what happened next in SW history.
I'm talking about after the credits btw.
I'm all for having Coruscant take the place of the DS2 as the location of the showdown of the Emp and Luke.
But, I'm not sure it is doable without the skills of ILM and the Lucasfilm Archives.
Fur looks great. When the Wampa shots are done, use it as a throw blanket.
BarBar Jinkx said:
WOWSA WHO TURNED UP THE LIGHTS!!!!
Michael Bay's love child.
Bingowings said:
I love the way that Lucas up until very recently was saying something along the lines of "We tried to give them a better Yoda and they didn't like that" and that the CGI Yoda was purely down to him leaping about like a nutter in the next two prequels.
I can't get the suspicion out of my head that the TPM puppet was deliberately made rubbish to get the CGI Yoda through without protest.
If the puppet had been perfect there would be no way they would be able to pull off the Yoda State Circus moves that George had in mind.
You know if Rick Baker had built TPM Yoda, that puppet would've been a work of art.
That was exceptional adywan
Love the Hoth hangar extension. You are a master of subtlety.
Happy Holidays.
What if Darth Vader is a borrowed name from another sith?
Like once a sith is vanquished, the victor assumes that identity? It consumes him figuratively and literally(as his moniker even changes)
He ceases to be Anakin Skywalker and becomes Darth Vader.
So the 1-6 audience would still think Anakin died because "Darth Vader" was still around.
But then once ESB hits, it would be "what? but he's not Luke's father because he died!". "Yeah but maybe Anakin really did survive, kill Vader, and assume his role?"
I don't know. Throwing stuff at the wall.
As someone else added above, the scout walkers add visual interest and depth to the SW universe.
People saying the scout walker in ESB doesn't look right: maybe it's a prototype or early version of the ones seen in ROTJ?
I would keep at least the classic first reveal of the scout in the film. The Luke one could go, but like Binx said: just Bay it up. :p
Monroville said:
ImperialFighter said:
Monroville said:
I still wished Ady would add more vehicles.. even if it was more Scout Walkers just to show that the Empire has an actual army. Even if there still has to be only 5 AT-ATs, to see a good 12 AT-STs around them would be impressive.
12 of the devils?
I agree that more would be impressive, but given Adywan's previous comments here on all that, I'll just be glad if Adywan decides to keep even that one in the AT-AT shot at all....
6 to 12 (or 2 for every AT-AT: one to cover each side) ... the idea is to show an actual task force. 5 AT-ATs alone could get taken out easily by ground troops; having a good squad of AT-STs would be akin to blitzkrieg tactics used by the Nazis, as well as account for taking out any troops trying to get underneath.
If the Empire is sending in a small group to rush the rebels, I can understand only 5 AT-ATs being there, with said group of fast moving vehicles to cover said AT-ATs ... even so, it would be nice to see a more realistic depiction of military behavior.
Ground troops taking out AT AT's?! Did we watch the same movie? :p
rcb, that Tie exploded in space. Did you not see that the Falcon shot it and then zoomed over the camera?
Watch it again. The Tie is in flames, a laser bolt comes from out of frame, then the falcon zooms overhead.
It was shot down.
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Holiday blessings for you and your family adywan.
Bingo, I like this way of thinking. It's not just repeating things. Yes, it's another super weapon, but it at least looks different. I'm not even saying it looks good, but it's a start of possible new directions.
I still think it's silly to have this bigger and more powerful DS2 go around and just blow up one ship at a time. I would like something more along the lines of a wide range-type weapon, but with lasers. It could take out several ships at once.
Seeing a human hand under stormie armor is just:
Seeing a human hand under stormie armor. It's not a mistake. Nobody assumes they're robots or monsters at this point.
Monroville said:
shanerjedi said:
Bingowings said:
vaderios said:
Something like this would be great but very time consuming (I can't imagine many of the original elements of what was in it's day a ground breaking set of special effects sequences surviving a reworking of this magnitude).
It would also add to the impression of a major clash between two fleets if we saw more fighting way off in the distance.
The ROTJ battle frequently has something epic in the foreground to cover up that there isn't much going on in the background (other than a lot of cut and paste duplicated ships barely moving about).
I agree with this idea. However, not too much. In the shot above for instance, you could leave the ones at the top the same, but maybe add dueling ships in the distance with small laser blasts in between the foreground ships.
Would it also be conceivable to show ships going in various different directions (like a SD going vertical in the background, one at an upwards 45%, but upside-down, etc) and make it less "2-dimensional"?
Again, SERENITY minus the camera zooming would be a good example...
And another link for good measure
Yeah, I thought about having a Star Destroyer and rebel ship duking it out in the background over the planet matte, but moving horizontally, not following the same away from camera-towards camera that the other ships are.
EyeShotFirst said:
ChainsawAsh said:
Bingowings said:
I look forward to a really radical reworking of the prequels (including redubbing the worst of the dialogue acting human, alien and droid).
*clapclapclapclapclap* Absolutely. Any attempt to make the prequels legitimately *good* will have to involve making their stories nearly unrecognizable when compared to the original versions.
I'm still very apprehensive about what will happen when Ady gets his hands on them (and ROTJ, for that matter) - I think there's a high risk of a very intense backlash against Ady if he changes "too much" about the prequels/ROTJ.
They can kiss his ass and watch the originals. All of these annoying purists should stay out of the fan edit section. Especially when it comes to edits of the prequels or in your case the complete removal of the prequels which I fully applaud.
The case with ROTJ. He can do whatever he wants with it. That film needs a new mood to it. I am sure Ady can make it a darker film than ESB.
I hope he radically fixes the 3 prequels.
ROTJ is a good shell, it just needs some elbow grease and great editing. I guarantee it will be way better.
I look forward to ESB:R for the visual work done to it. But I really look forward to ROTJ:R, because I know I am in for a real treat. ROTJ was great in it's day and will always be great, but it needs to be like the other 2. ANH and ESB were building up to ROTJ and it felt like it just went too fast. You cannot destroy an Empire in 3 days unscathed. I want you to feel that nobody is going to survive. The Empire should have the upperhand to the very last minute.
Let's just say that their vulgar display of power should explode right in their faces.
This film can be dark. I can see it in my head. Luke already seems worried about everybody in the battle. But we can make his worries true. The space battle must be terrible. X-wings should be exploding all over the place. Tie fighters should be spitting out of the Death star by the hundreds (thousands if Ady feels up to it)
The film should be focused soley on the last 20 minutes of the original version. The whole rescue from Jabba's palace is needed, but it doesn't have to be a main focus.
If I could show you all a rough draft of what is in my head, I would. Words cannot describe it, but I hope Ady has something grander in mind.
Ady we are with you and we will stay with you until every one of these films are done.
I'm with you on ROTJ. That really should have been ESB part Deux. But no. Suddenly the rebellion is stronger and there's all these new ships and shit.
It was Lucas' easy out so he could get out of SW after he finished.
The Phantom Menace:
It needs more than an axing of midis and less Jar Jar. It needs less people standing around and talking for one thing.
It also needs a driving narrative that takes us from one location to a new one and then another new one, and so on. It needs a forward momentum to it. TPM just stops in places: the jedi on Naboo take forever to warn the Queen, the loooong podrace, and parts of Coruscant drag. They could all be trimmed.
I'm also for preserving OT characters for their proper first appearances like the Tuskens. Reducing them to comics in their first appearance in the saga diminishes their threat later in ANH. Same with Jabba.
Make Tatooine something different for TPM than what it was for the OT. Set up things. Add some history and deeper meaning to what we will see in ANH and just accepted at face value.
Maybe it was a world ruled by a gang of criminal slavers led by Watto that Qui-Gon bankrupts in the podrace bets, leading to the rise of the Hutts to fill the void?
EyeShotFirst said:
Ghost said:
I think Ady will do something special for this battle. Remember that technology will be 2 years better than it is today. So he could pull this off easier and better than he could right now. That's really the only reason I'm glad he is doing the saga 4-5-6-1-2-3. Meaning TPM needs alot of work just visually.
If he just colour corrects it, removes Jar Jars antics, and axes the midichlorions, I will be happy. I think visually it is more like the OT than the other 2.
The effects weren't terrible. They just need some tweaking. Some of the pointless rambling needs a good trim. This film is way more salvageable than the horrible Hayden PT films.
I 100% agree. Now there can be some more effective tension added to the storyline and make the TF more of a threat. But yes, TPM is more OT-like than the visually-cluttered AOTC and ROTS.
Bingowings said:
vaderios said:
Something like this would be great but very time consuming (I can't imagine many of the original elements of what was in it's day a ground breaking set of special effects sequences surviving a reworking of this magnitude).
It would also add to the impression of a major clash between two fleets if we saw more fighting way off in the distance.
The ROTJ battle frequently has something epic in the foreground to cover up that there isn't much going on in the background (other than a lot of cut and paste duplicated ships barely moving about).
I agree with this idea. However, not too much. In the shot above for instance, you could leave the ones at the top the same, but maybe add dueling ships in the distance with small laser blasts in between the foreground ships.
Another great thing about your edit is that it also turns the jedi into detectives who suspect something is up and they're going to Kamino to find out about it.
By moving up the emergency powers act, you've also kept the momentum going because the assassination attempts just happened. In the existing film, they were presented so late and so far after the assassination attempts it just seemed to languish.
Are Padme and Anakin already gone to Naboo in your edit brash?
OzoneSherrif said:
gosh look at all the ships in the background of that ROTS shot and there's like only a few in ROTJ. and why did the Rebellion send those cargo ships to the battle?
Because George already had them built and could recycl-I mean, re-use in an entirely new way, things that had already been built, thus saving $.
My only advice brash is to make a list of things you want to do with this edit and pursue one until it's done, then cross it off and move onto the next one. If you try to do too much up front, you might get bogged down and overwhelm yourself.
In other words:
Do the jango thing, make the jedi less stupid, and then worry about lightsabers and all that flash.
AOTC's problems stem from characterisations and plotting.
You are on your way to correcting that in a very good way.
Stay on target.
I want green sabers!
Stay on target.
I want new dialogue for 3PO!
Stay on target.
Loosen up!
Arrgh!
brash, that was excellent. It also makes the jedi more proactive instead of a bunch of dopes waiting to get pownd in their ivory towers.
