shanerjedi

Yep. Dexter Jettster. Lucas' son's name is Jett. Coincidence?

He also named the Gungans when his infant son would call construction equipment "goongans".

I don't say that's terrible. Lucas really cares about his kids and that's great. But Sleazbaganno?! Come on.

I think there's a new EU character named Teh Roxxorz also. lol.

Darth Venal said:

Shanerjedi:

That is a really good point. Never really thought of it but it would help the dynamics of the scenes.

The main reason Lucas kept the same angle in AOTC though is because it was the same damn footage(with some new CG characters replacing older CG characters). You'd think with ILM at his disposal and an Avid he could've switched it up still.

Yeah, he used the plates and greened them all into it for Attack of the Clones, right? Same with the inside of the Naboo ship at the beginning. Lame.

I really do get irked by those Council Chamber scenes. I would try give Yaddle a line of dialogue, or Plo Koo or someone sitting on the other side. Just one line here and there to flip the scene to another freakin' camera point. Lame.

The reason they didn't think of making such a prominent set more versatile was because they were too busy in post adding fucking antennae to the dealer in the nightclub. Because that was obviously more important than, say, blocking out a scene with some fucking imagination.

Tuh.

Yeah. Digi-Yoda,a few CG guys, and Annie and Obie.

Oh yes, the dealer at the nightclub. He has such a great name: Elan Sleazzbagganno.

Not making that up.

And one thing about that club: why use a shapeshifting villain if you're not going to use it to, oh I don't know, HIDE IN THE CLUB IN DISGUISE?!

LOL!

"What are you,a glutton for punishment?"

Haha!

RoccondilRinon said:

Dude, The Passion made me puke. Firstly because it was considered entertainment at all, and secondly because I knew a LOT of children were being taken to see it. America is fucked up culturally: Janet Jackson's nipple leads to lawsuits and fears for the children, but Jim Caviezel getting the snot beaten out of him, VERY graphically, for two hours, is family fare?

Something has gone dreadfully wrong somewhere...

Ill tell you what it is: Christ has become an commercialized industry giant right up there with Elvis.

The Americanized Christ is almost no different 'cept the 'burns.

*steps off soapbox*

Darth Venal said:

Skye1083:

Windu's purple saber does seem like a dumbing down because all it does is make it easier to pick him out in a fight. So either change his or add more purple so it doesn't seem like a marketing ploy. His character should be able remarkable for reasons other than his favorite color.

Yeah, we didn't need help picking him out - he's the black dude! - but there are other purple sabres in the background in the Geonosis arena, I'm certain. Personally, I wouldn't like to see more of them as I don't like how his looks. Never really cared for Luke's green one, either.

Would there be a way to give the other council member's more of a role? Right now in the vanilla version, it all seems to fall on Windu and Yoda. Perhaps have Anakin consult with someone other than Yoda about his dream? Spread the blame around a bit?

I think Ki Adi Mundi gets plenty of screentime. He was a great character too (poor old Silas Carson gets killed three time!). I'm not sure we need to dilute screentime any further for the others. One or two bits of dialogue from the others would have been nice, I guess.

One thing that really DID irk me is that we only ever saw that one side of the Jedi Council chamber through all three movies. Couldn't one of them have been sitting across the other side? That decision renders those scenes incredibly undynamic, always shot the same way. I was sick of seeing it by the second movie, never mind the third.

That is a really good point. Never really thought of it but it would help the dynamics of the scenes.

The main reason Lucas kept the same angle in AOTC though is because it was the same damn footage(with some new CG characters replacing older CG characters). You'd think with ILM at his disposal and an Avid he could've switched it up still.

Darth Venal said:

 

Monica Bellucci was hot in that movie. Sorry, but that's about all I got out of it.

I make Richard Dawkins look agnostic.

*fixed*

Hehehe.

Shanerjedi: I was never entirely satisfied with the Venal quote. But I ran out of edits and had to leave it. Now, with digital technology, I can go back and get it closer to my original vision.

saber color really is about the look. There's never been a story point behind them. And trust me, Lucas would've included an explanation in the PT if he thought that was important.

Me, I like it as it is now: red, blue, and green. Simple but effective.

Notice I didn't include purple?

Damn you Jules!

Darth Venal said:

Shanerjedi:

Maybe someone needs to just make a Star Wars for Dummies Edition and be done with it already.

Absolutely not!

Transformers for Smarties is the next fanedit I want to see.

To quote Luke in ESB:

"You want the impossible".

And no, Yoda will not help you out and levitate that film out of the swamp.

Darth Venal said:

 

Well casual viewers coped for 30 years with different coloured light sabres, so I'm not sure we need to go dumbing it down now. If you want to explain things as ostensibly irrelevant as laser colour, where would you stop?

Sometimes implying things can have just as much impact on a viewer and their imagination as filling in each and every dot.

Maybe someone needs to just make a Star Wars for Dummies Edition and be done with it already.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

vaderios said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

are you going to attempt to add the shipyard/star destoryer stuff in the background?

Well here is the first try after a long time.

Nothing to fancy like Ryan church's concept but it holds i think.

 

-Angel

 Yeah yeah! I like this alot. It actually makes me think of when they mention a space station in ANH....I wonder why we never saw one in the PT....anyways....very good pic! Is that Coruscant? That would probably make sense...Keep up the good work! :D

Angel, great job!

Starship Troopers has some footage of a ringed spacedock if you need more footage.

I like this idea. I do however think you should do something to show the size of these things.

This is the Ordaz matte. The black, unpainted spot is where the live-action droid element was going to be inserted. This was after Luke had placed the saber inside R2 and sent them on their way.

A bit of clarification from my post up above. That script was from the revised draft. I don't *think" it was filmed. But this other stuff was from the shooting script. They even went so far as to commission a matte for it and shot live action elements. Was it ever composited together and finished? I don't know. But the pieces were done.

#16 is the Ordaz matte with the live action element included. You can see the droids at the entrance.

Re: ROTJ cut scenes and alternate cuts to Luke's rescue scene:

Here is a script snippet from a later draft of ROTJ. Was this filmed? I don't know. BUT, I do know that ILM's Frank Ordaz did a matte painting for this location AND ILM storyboarded it for optical.

*shrugs*

Here's the script segment courtesy of the Starkiller script site:

Luke snaps awake from a sound sleep, his head still ringing with Vader's words. It takes a moment for him to focus on his surroundings. He is in a small rundown, tavern. Two vile, little dirty Jawas; ATETU and TWEETU, stare at him from across the room. They shake their cloak-covered heads and go back to cooking an odorous stew.

The howling wind outside blows the door open with a loud crash. Luke reaches for his pistol, the Jawas hide. Out of the dust cloud emerge two familiar shapes, SEE THREEPIO and ARTOO DETOO. Luke relaxes as the angry Jawas come out of hiding, scolding the robots for not closing the door. Atetu waddles to the door and strains against the wind to close it.

THREEPIO
Master Luke, I beg you not to send us
out in weather like that again…it's
unbearable out there.

Artoo whistles his agreement.

LUKE
Were you able to get
everything I asked for?

THREEPIO
An impossible task, but yes
we have all of it...Artoo?

Artoo beeps and one of his tiny arms pokes out of its hatch carrying a small box. The door to the hovel bangs open again giving everyone a start, including R2 who drops the box of parts.
Out of the cloud of dust comes LANDO and CHEWIE. Atetu is very angry and starts yelling at Lando and Chewie. The little Jawa storms over to Chewie and screams at the Wookiee (in his gibberish language), shaking his fist. Chewie stares at him blankly, then shrugs and closes the door. Atetu continues to vent his anger on Luke, then waddles back to his cooking.

LANDO
Next time I'll try to get us better
accommodations, but trustworthy innkeepers
are hard to come by around here.

Chewie barks and puts several small parts before Luke.

LUKE
What did you find out?

LANDO
He survived the unfreezing process but
I couldn't get any report on his condition;
but we're going to have to hurry, the
execution has been set for tomorrow.

Threepio picks up a small micro chip.

THREEPIO
Master Luke, I beg your pardon,
but how can these micro parts help
rescue Capt. Solo?

Luke holds up an odd looking box.

LUKE
When it's finished it will be our ticket
into the palace. But first, we must
send this JABBA the HUTT a message.
That's where you two can help.

THREEPIO
At your service.

Tweetu calls out and points to the bowls of steaming food on the table. Chewie barks and heads for the table followed by Lando.

LANDO
Better get something to eat, Luke,
we may not get another chance.

LUKE
You go ahead, I still have some things
to do first. (motions to R-2)
Come over here, Artoo.

Threepio follows Chewie to the table and asks Tweetu something. The creature answers and goes to a cupboard. Threepio sits at the table. On the far side of the room Luke stands before Artoo and recites a message. A beam of light from Artoo passes over him as he speaks. Tweetu brings Threepio an oil can, and Threepio starts oiling his joints.

THREEPIO
A few more trips outside
and I'll surely short circuit.

Chewie barks and Lando passes him some food.

LANDO
It's a miracle that Han survived the
unfreezing process. I just hope he's
still in one piece.

Chewie barks his agreement. Luke and R-2 come over to the others. R-2 begins to beep at 3PO.

THREEPIO
We have to leave?!? What are you
talking about? I'm not going out in
that storm again!

LUKE
3PO, I need you to go
with him to the palace.

THREEPIO
Palace?!?

LUKE
He's going to need your help.

THREEPIO
Help!?!

Artoo beeps at Threepio again.

THREEPIO
All right, I'm coming. I'm coming.
I was afraid of this. Master Luke,
are you sure...

LUKE
Threepio…
I'm depending on you.

THREEPIO
Yes, Master Luke.

Artoo and Threepio leave the Inn as the wind howls madly outside. Luke grabs some food off of the table and goes back to his work.

LANDO
What makes you think those droids
will ever get in to see Jabba -
let alone deliver the message.

LUKE
Greed. It's Jabba's weakness.
With this phony spice extractor and
his greed, we'll make contact with Han as
soon as I finish. You and Chewie are going
to have to make the next visit
to the palace.

LANDO
You mean just walk right in??
They'll kill us.

LUKE
Not when you present Jabba with
this little gem, and tell him we have
a hundred more just like it.
You'll be all right.

LANDO
But we don't have another hundred
just like it. I think this plan of yours leaves
a lot to be desired.

LUKE
Listen, Lando, you know we couldn't get
Han out of that stronghold even if we had an
army with us. Our only hope is to get
Jabba to take him out of there, for us.

LANDO
Then what?

LUKE
Then you leave the
rest to me.

Lando shakes his head in disbelief.

LANDO
I sure hope you know
what you're doing.

Chewie concurs, as Luke goes back to working on his gift.

Bingowings said:

What the human eye misses and notices in a film varies from person to person, for the image to be a successful illusion of a fictional reality the composer of the image shouldn't second guess what the viewer will not see (unless it's a deliberate artistic decision which in this case it's not).

The tracing in of the missed laser trails in ANH:R adds to the verisimilitude of those sequences (even if it's a near subliminal addition).

I'm not talking about anything ANH:R related. Im talking about people not understanding that when a massive piece of machinery falls to the ground,AT-AT, that it's going to be broken up without having to show CG cracks and armor plating bouncing off the snow like roger rabbit.

Why don't we go the extra step and have Ric Olie pop his head up in the scene to explain it to us in case we didn't understand physics? I understood it when I was 9.

Bingowings said:

Every blast that obviously connects to something should be shown and if the time limitations back then meant they were missed they should be put in now.

Sometimes less is more, yes.

But sometimes less is less and more is more (more or less).

Does the human eye pick up every single tiny little detail and texture on everything in our line of sight?

No.

Too much detail and all this extra stuff will make these fx shots look like busy fx shots that read as fake. Why? because sometimes it's also the things we don't see but the mind fills in for us that helps sell something as real.

There is no need to Sommer-ize Star Wars.

Darth Venal said:

rcb:

i've always been confused about that. in the PT each shot they fire at each other, whether small, capital or ground unit, their was always some hint of damage

Maybe if you're "confused" by any of the inconsistencies being discussed, you need to remember that these movies were made many years apart, and the effects were achieved under very different circumstances of budget and technical ability. It's very easy to put CG blasts in for every laser fired, but doing that with traditional model work was just not practical to the extent you're expecting.

Technology moves on. It's that simple.

Not only that, but not every laser score needs to be shown. Sometimes less is more.

Darth Venal said:

Bingowings:

We never did see the other Naboo cities, Theed can't be the only one so if there are more leveling one in TPM would give weight to the most flimsy planetary invasion in cinema history.

The cities weren't attacked with great military force because this was a political takeover designed to force Queen Amidala to flee and seek help from the Senate. Sidious/Palpatine didn't intend to destroy it, only do what was necessary to meet his ends. Only Theed was overrun, as far as we know. There was no reason for the Trade Federation to destroy any city.

But yeah, it does look like a non-event, so I understand why you'd want to add more destruction.

Adding human drama to cartoon droids attacking cartoon cities and fighting cartoon aliens would make that film at least slightly human.

Can't argue with that!

But there would be if their intent were real and they weren't merely chess pieces or literal pawns of Palpatine so he could gain the Chancellorship.

lol!

Bingowings said:

That's the thing though isn't?

In AOTC the refugees are leaving Coruscant for Naboo, not the other way around.

Which is why I thought it would be people returning home after the chaos of the events in TPM (which should be much darker in a reworked version).

It's not conveyed well though that refugees are leaving Coruscant, or even that there are many refugees at all. That whole ship depot should be chuck full of people fleeing war and either settling on Coruscant, or returning to resettle their homeworlds.

You know what might be cool? To show them returning to Naboo and have bombed out buildings in the background in the city. It would also add some seriousness to that whole Annie/Padme sequence. Would also tie in with atrocities committed by the TF in TPM.

But what I really like about the OT is that, at least with the first two films, there were new worlds and new situations.

In the PT we have so much retread it continues the trend started with ROTJ. Naboo....again. Coruscant....again. Tatooine...again.

Even Geonosis and Tatooine look alike in too many ways IMHO.

That's why that space depot on Coruscant in AOTC should've been overflowing with masses of people ala Ellis Island instead of the scant few in the film.

If someone wanted to be "radical" they could even use that background as a reason to move Anakin and Padme's hiding place to Alderaan instead of Naboo. Maybe many, many refugees traveled to Alderaan as well to escape the Clone Wars raging in the outer rim?

Since we're on the topic of the rebel meeting: it just ends. There's no sort of May the Force be with you moment where the gravity of the situation is conveyed, except a little on Mothma's comments as Venal pointed out.

This should be a "we have to win this or all is lost" moment.  "It is desperate for us. We got our butts kicked in ESB and now the imperials are chasing us all over the galaxy. This is a huge gamble. Fail and we're finished."

It just doesn't have that gravity.

In the existing film, the rebel fleet just masses near Sullust. Maybe instead the rebels are forced to go there and combine forces because the empire has all but cornered them there? They realise the situation has grown dire and time is short for their side so they have to strike now before the DS2 is completed and the empire dominates forever.

That would up the tension a little. The rebels have to attack now. They've been cornered.

edit

You know what is also missing? Why the empire are such evil basterds. Their ruthlessness. I would love to see some of that come across in this film but I dont know how. Maybe the empire starts completely clearing the forests of Endor for settlement? I don't know.

DuTwan said:

vaderios said:

One shot Anakin is on the shot. In the other he isnt.

-Angel

 Haha nice catch there Angel. maybe we coud find a side pic of anakin you could slot in there? lmao

It would actually be more credible to not have Anakin there at all. Why would he just stoop there with his saber when he and Obi-Wan were both there? I say take him out. Less is more with Anakin. :D

But the real big problem with all of these subtle changes is that you cant polish a turd.

lol! figures. fanatics think alike. :p

Dude, you are awesome.

SSWR, if you really wanted to play with things, have that rebel fleet shot approaching Coruscant and then fade to credits. hehe.

Bobocop said:

While some of these production paintings are cool, some remind me how lucky we are that George Lucas wasn't able to to do everything he wanted back in the days of the OT.

That painting from McQuarrie wasn't done for the ROTJ film. It was done later for the Illustrated SW Universe book from the early '90's.

adywan said:

DarkJedi3P0 said:

Ric Olie said:

adywan said:

I know the PT:R is a long way off but a hell of a lot of things will be changing drastically  in those films when i get to them.

*gulp*

 haha dont worry Mr Olie. you will probably be safe (:

Mr Olie may be safe but his dialogue certainly won't be. lol

No! Don't ruin Cpt. Obvious! He was so brilliant in his obviousness. :p