screams in the void

Yup , and he edited the description after I called him out on it multiple times , seems he removed the comments too . here is the exchange …me -Nice faux radio show . I was almost convinced this was real .The “commercials” are taken from the call in promotion in 1980 where you could pay to hear the actors in character promoting the film ,and the interviews with the actors were conducted at the time of the films release and are available elsewhere on youtube . A google search turns up no evidence of this “1980 Radio Special " save for your video here . That said , the production value here is pretty good and that spinning tape up there enhances the illusion . To quote Mark Hamill in this , " When it’s cut together , it really looks like we’re carrying on a conversation .”

him-Thank you! I could find no recording of this special either.

me-lol . A bit disingenuous to try and pass it off as authentic no ? kinda ballsy .

him- Not at all. I read the DJ script that came with the record full of interviews and assembled it just how they did in 1980.

me- this still gives one the impression that you are the one doing the interviews. Perhaps you should put that in the description. And do you have a link or source for this record you mentioned ?

him-Thanks for listening and I appreciate the kind comments from the start.

me- sarcastic more than kind . So , where can this non existing record with the DJ script be found ?

him-Here you go my friend - the non-existing record. https://bid.vegalleries.com/The-Empire-Strikes-Back-Radio-Interview-Record_i36820718

me- ok , I will concede that I was wrong about that record existing , took some digging beyond your link and found a listing for it on the star wars collectors archive . Not very much info on it online .Still , why not just play the record itself , or note that this is a reconstruction of its contents in your description for this video ? I still think its misleading and disingenuous not to do so . Specifically , if you had added this to your description " (Lucasfilm, 1980) A radio interview record for The Empire Strikes Back. Records such as these were sent to radio stations with a list of questions and cues included, so that local radio stations could “interview” the cast of the film. " , and mentioned that you were reading the script that came with the record in order to recreate the experience of a radio station airing it , it would have cleared up a lot of confusion .

him- dude, the only thing on the record were the interviews. Nothing else - I crafted the entire radio show around the static interviews that were on the record itself. Please feel free to make your own version if you dont care for what I’ve done. I look forward to seeing it!

me- the production is not the issue , it’s the fact that you did not state this information in your videos description that is the problem . Any user unaware of this record would think that is your original production and that you were the one conducting the Interviews back in 1980 . Or that maybe you obtained broadcast rights from Backstage Productions Incorporated, as the sleeve on the record script suggests in the expired listing you linked to in response to my comments.

so yeah , he went back and added the disclaimer with this disingenuous remark…(PS: Yes, this is a RE-CREATION of a radio show that no copies seem exist of - yes it is ME doing the narration. Apparently, it’s so authentic sounding it’s fooling people…compliment, I suppose?)

All I can think of now is Jason’s comment regarding Strawmen , " Asserting someone is claming something that they are not . something much weaker than they actually claimed , and then disproving the thing they never claimed in the first place " -to paraphrase .

I did , but nice attempt at gaslighting , go find another victim , your not fooling anyone .

^ LMFAO ! That is the very book that Rocketjump showed at the end of his video .

“but I’m going to trust actual peer-written published material” G&G Fan , do you have a link to this peer written published material ?

If I have to put a label to it , I prefer Space Fantasy .As a huge fan of the original Marvel Comic , I love the tagline , " The Greatest Space Fantasy Of All !"

Wow , this guy is really ballsy , compiles a bunch of audio clips that are freely available elsewhere on youtube and tries to pass it off as an authentic 1980 radio special , with himself as the interviewer …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfcq3p0-WjA I called him out in the comments , be interesting to see if he replies .

G&G-Fan said:

It’d be like if when Darth Vader revealed to Luke that he’s his father, people went “Is really he though?”

^Actually , a lot of people did just that , James Earl Jones included . It was part of the cliffhanger in ESB and the three year wait between films was a time of speculation on the question of whether or not he was in fact Luke’s father or if he was lying .

And here is a link from the same archive , where you can see many of the early publications that were put out from 1977-1983 . The article I linked to in my previous post was from issue 4 of official poster monthly in 1978…https://www.theforce.net/timetales/misc/arcana/arcana.asp

theprequelsrule said:

screams in the void said:

theprequelsrule said:

screams in the void said:

there was also speculation that Obi-Wan might be a clone of the real Kenobi . The theory was that Obi-Wan was Obi-1 .

Where and when did this happen? It has been mentioned in another thread, but when was this theory making the rounds in fandom? In the 80s? The lead up to the release of TPM?

^ In the 80’s , I was around for it ( first generation fan ) A lot of sci fi magazines and the people who wrote in to them speculated on it . Some of it carried over into the 90s before the prequels . Publications like Cinescape etc .There was also an issue of Star Wars official poster monthly that came out around 1978 or 79 that mentioned that the Storm troopers were clones .

Very, very interesting! I did not know that there was official material released so early on which established that the Stormtroopers were clones. I thought it was still speculation right up to sometime between the release of TPM and AOTC.

There are a lot of early issues of official poster monthly archived on TheForce.Net , here is the entry from issue 4 which details the Storm Troopers as clones …http://www.theforce.net/image_popup/image_popup_global.asp?Image=timetales/misc/arcana/post4-03.jpg
just slide the image over to see the page

The early marketing kind of implied that Luke might go to the dark side , first, in the title ,Revenge Of The Jedi ,before it was changed , then in the first trailers where we see him all dressed in black , like Vader . Plus one of those trailers had a shot of Luke and Vader side by side in the elevator .You could not see any binders on Luke’s hands in that shot . And at that point , it was not confirmed that Vader was his father . As a kid in 1980 , I didn’t believe it and thought Vader was lying .The truth came as a shock to me , but the blow was lessened due to a friend of mine letting me read his Marvel Super Special adaptation of Return Of The Jedi ,which actually came out a few weeks before the movie .

I gotta go with Empire . Just the whole atmosphere of it and the moving from room to room before the yawing abyss of revelation .

theprequelsrule said:

screams in the void said:

there was also speculation that Obi-Wan might be a clone of the real Kenobi . The theory was that Obi-Wan was Obi-1 .

Where and when did this happen? It has been mentioned in another thread, but when was this theory making the rounds in fandom? In the 80s? The lead up to the release of TPM?

^ In the 80’s , I was around for it ( first generation fan ) A lot of sci fi magazines and the people who wrote in to them speculated on it . Some of it carried over into the 90s before the prequels . Publications like Cinescape etc .There was also an issue of Star Wars official poster monthly that came out around 1978 or 79 that mentioned that the Storm troopers were clones .

when I read the novelization of The Empire Strikes Back , the passage regarding Boba Fett wearing the armor of a group of evil warriors who were defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars , led me to believe that the Mandalorians would have been the clones of The Clone Wars . A lot of publications also speculated on this around that time …Starlog , Cinefex etc . Plus there was also speculation that Obi-Wan might be a clone of the real Kenobi . The theory was that Obi-Wan was Obi-1 .

Very cool ! I am digging the new additions to this ,it reads like a choose your own adventure book . Brilliant !

" My postulate is that the timeline divergence hinges on Syfo-Dyas. Is he dead or is he alive? " …it’s schrödinger’s Sifo-Dyas !

I enjoyed reading this , looking forward to more .

I tried watching The Empire Strikes Back on mute while listening to The Wrath Of Khan score recently . It didn’t really work as a whole , but if you separate certain tracks and play them over certain scenes , it works pretty well . The track "Surprise Attack " from the Khan score worked very well when played over the battle of Hoth , just as the ion cannon fires .

I moved onto another weird way of watching the Star Wars movies , I call it the surreal flashback order. I patched in my little crt,vcr combo to my big 55 inch lcd through the vcr .Stereo tv in front , mono tv in back of me .Started with 95 pan and scan faces vhs of A New Hope , followed by 2000 collectors letterbox Phantom Menace vhs ( turned my tv settings to black and white ) and then TESB 95 pan and scan vhs , followed by pan and scan vhs of AOTC ( again in black and white )and then 95 pan and scan ROTJ. I have gotten this far in my marathon. I don’t have Revenge Of The Sith on vhs , so Iam thinking of watching either the dvd or 2011 blu ray . For that one , my 55 inch lcd is 3d enabled and has color settings which can put a green ,blue or red filter over the image . I am thinking of watching ROTS with a red filter over it the whole time .

While not the way I would watch the movies all the time , it’s been a fun experiment so far .Watching TPM in black and white after ANH , you can really see the parallels and how much it repeats things from the original movie .Plus ,in black and white , it feels more like a flashback and kind of a high tech version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis mixed with the old Flash Gordon serials .The only real “spoilers” are Yoda and Jabba and you could assume Anakin is just Luke’s father at this point ,as they don’t reveal yet that he is to become Darth Vader .Plus , it starts to set up and foreshadow that something is not quite right with Obi-Wan’s telling of events in ANH

Watching the 95 faces set in full screen vhs in this marathon , gives the whole thing a surreal , dream like feel with the slight fuzziness and softer colors .

For AOTC vhs fullscreen in black and white ,after watching TESB, the image gets larger as the back story is made more clear . In black and white , the film noir aspects of the film are enhanced , especially during Obi Wan’s detective like mission , harkening back to old detective film noir of the 30s and 40s .

And watching ROTS completely in Red , I think may give the movie even more of a decent into Hell vibe and be very surreal . It will provide the last piece of the puzzle for the original 6 films and end in tragedy ,with a note of hope at the end .Now that I think of it , I may switch back to full color at the end when Luke and Leia are on Alderran and Tatooine .

I may continue on with the sequel trilogy , but mix in the anthology films with them and watch them on different displays .

I loved the first series and thought it was really unique at the time . There was an audio drama made of it ,which I thought was awesome.

and it’s a sad disconnect from the character she played ,what with being a survivor of Alderaan and all ,not to mention the real world implications that go along with that .

cool find ! That ad says music , sound effects and narration . I wonder if that means it is for a reel to reel version of " The Story Of Star Wars " or it means the dialogue itself in addition to the music and sound effects . I also wonder if it is a condensed version , or the whole film if the latter is the case .

Rodney-2187 said:

I’ve read not only does Pink Floyd’s Dark Side Of The Moon sync nicely with The Wizard Of Oz, but also The Force Awakens. I’ve never tried either of these, but maybe I’ll give it a go just to try something new. I wonder what else would work well? Maybe I’ll try Empire Strikes Back with the Vangelis Blade Runner soundtrack or Rogue One with Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours.

^ this sounds like a neat idea , especially the Vangelis music .It may sound like blasphemy , but now I am thinking of synching some of the original Star Trek movie scores with the OT to see how it feels .

^ Thank you for the reply oojason ! Please let me know how your experience goes if you decide to do that . Love the pics man , that first one is the first Sony Betamax player that was released as a tv/console combo before they made a standalone player . It retailed for around two thousand dollars here in the U.S. when it was new and adjusting for inflation ,one could buy a new car in todays money ! I love old tech like that and would love to own a working one , if I didn’t live on the top floor of my building 😃 also love the analog glitchiness of that gif .

As a related aside , a while back , I hooked up my old Apex DVD player to my little vcr/tv combo and made a copy of The Force Awakens on vhs for my own personal use .It has kind of a cool retro feel to it and if I had the technical know how , I would convert it to pan and scan to make it feel more like an 80s tape .

this thread inspired me to watch ROTJ again today .

I linked to my favorite poster a page back , which is the ESB one by Ohrai . I will say though , that I like a lot of Drew Struzan’s concepts for Revenge Of The Sith more than the final version . Some of them can be seen at the bottom of the page here …https://markstoreyart.blogspot.com/2009/11/drew-struzan-original-movie-poster.html

I just tried a little experiment with watching my 95 faces set VHS copy of Return Of The Jedi …I have a Panasonic 4 head hi-fi stereo vcr and I plugged it into my 55 inch LG lcd tv via coax cable and ran rca cables out from the vcr to my little Emerson portable tv/vcr combo so I could watch it on both displays .

The portable tv is mono and the big lcd is stereo . I placed the little tv behind me while watching the big tv . This had the feeling of being outside at a drive in movie . The Big tv was great for the sound effects and music and the little one enhanced the dialougue .The 95 tape has pumped up colors from the releases prior to it , but on the lcd , the colors appear more toned down , making it seem closer to the theatrical colors .

Granted , the vhs image was softer on the lcd and a little fuzzy around the edges , but this gave me a feeling of 1980s nostalgia , as it was the pan and scan version and that is how I originally watched the movies at home before the 92 letterbox set came out .I have not popped this tape in in ages and forgot that the last shot of the movie as well as the credits switch to letterbox on the 95 tape .

I would like to get a small stereo crt tv with rca inputs and try this again sometime , but daisy chain 3 tvs .

Does anyone else out there have some unique ways of watching / displaying the movies ?