screams in the void

BedeHistory731 said:

Also, adding “I think” helps your statement stand out as less of a statement of fact and more as you provided an informed opinion. This goes for everybody.

Of course it goes for everybody , although, the title of this topic thread implies a solicitation of opinion . Though I disagree with most of what Stardust is putting forth here , he is giving his opinion and he has a right to it . With that said , his arguments have been discussed elsewhere on this site before . Personally , I THINK , Hellogreedo hit the nail on the head in addressing it a few years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGBGcvWkdM but that’s just like , my opinion man ( as well as HelloGreedo’s and , I suspect , many others ) .

it was the 70s …long shag carpet was a thing

I first read them when Dark Horse comics collected them in the late 90s in a two issue series with the odd title of Devilworlds . I hade been aware of them for years but this was my first chance to read them here in the U.S. I liked them and my favorite was the Story Dark Lord’s Conscience where he played an odd sort of chess game called fire path with a Cthulu like being ( Who Borgullet from Rogue One reminded me of ) . I think that story had the best art out of them . I also liked the Bizzare Tilotony throws a shape and being a fan of the original Marvel comic run , it finally gave an explanation for Leia having a broken leg in issue 35 ,though it’s probably just a coincidence , it’s in my head canon .Overall , they were interesting and surreal stories off the beaten path and fun to finally see , as were all of the other U.K. stories that took decades to be published here .

JadedSkywalker said:

There is a US NTSC letterbox set from 1992 but far less common. Its not rare either. But back then everyone wanted full screen tapes.

I have this set of the letterbox tapes and they come from the same video master as the Japanese Special Collection, the same as the US first issue widescreen laserdisc releases. With the same misframed image to fit the Japanese subtitles which aren’t on the video but they never corrected them.

Jedi is the worst effected. And it wasn’t corrected until the remastered THX releases which began with the definitive laserdisc collection and faces laserdisc, and also the widescreen tapes.

^ I bought that set when it first came out , would often tell people who were against the black bars on the top and bottom that this was the directors intent and that when watching fullscreen 4x3 movies , you were only seeing a portion of the whole image , a movie screen is rectangular , not square . They would look at me in complete bewilderment . Funny how things changed over time . I still have all the tapes as well as the book and certificate it came with , but lost the box and my TESB tape in a move . You are right , its not rare , and it pisses me off that people are artificially inflating the price of this set on Ebay . I would like to replace what I lost . The same thing is starting to happen with the prices of the red hi-fi label individual tapes . What makes me laugh the most is when I see articles about " The most valuable vhs tapes of all time " , and they show a picture of the 95 faces fullscreen box set , which is literally the most common and widely available set out there .

JadedSkywalker said:

I guess i was expecting more swashbuckling action Anakin following Obi Wan on a damn fool idealistic crusade.

Yoda being Obi Wan’s teacher, Leia’s mom dying on Alderaan when Leia was like 5 years old or something. Owen Lars being Obi Wan’s brother.

Luke’s father being a good friend and a great pilot. And i mean in the films not having to go to other media to get that characterization, like the Clone Wars.

Showing the actual clone war on screen, the purge of the Jedi by Vader. All the things hinted at during the filming of the OT.

^ yup , and I will add , Anakin telling Obi Wan that he wanted Luke to have his Lightsaber when he was old enough , Anakin falling into a molten pit while dueling Kenobi being an accident, rather than getting his arm and legs chopped off by him in self defense after which he stands there and leaves him burning to death , the Clone Wars being plural and happening on screen and not just the start and the end of them , with the rest being filled in by a cartoon . These were the things that stirred the imaginations of my friends and myself in the 80s while playing out the scenarios with our action figures in the sandbox and talking about them .

and Qui Gon was a late addition to The Phantom Menace , a lot of concept paintings by Doug Chiang show that It was just supposed to be Obi Wan by himself . He is even depicted wearing a modified version of Luke’s Jedi tunic , which was what many thought the traditional garb of the Jedi was supposed to be . And 20 years is not that long in the scheme of things …I am 50 years old and remember events from 20 years ago in vivid detail ."a certain point of view " was just something Lucas pulled out of his ass when he backed himself into a corner writing ROTJ , as was Leia being the other/Luke’s sister , as evidenced in the documentary From Star Wars To Jedi The Making Of A Saga .

That was cool to view , thank you ! Wow , seems like the Holdo Maneuver in TLJ was lifted from the ROTJ storyboards ! I have the OT storyboards book but don’t remember those two shots being in it . Will have to take another look .

your wisdom and wit will be greatly missed here Jason …The force will be with you , always .

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I have had these feelings on and off throughout my life . At times it was due to situational depression . Something a friend said to me years ago actually helped a bit , he said , " maybe it’s not you that’s fucked up ,maybe it’s the world . " another thing that has helped me in recent years is that 5 years ago , I suffered from a severe systemic infection and lost my lower right lobe of my right lung to it , as well as being diagnosed with type 2 adult onset diabetes . I almost died and it took me a year to recover . It was hard to find motivation to do anything for a bit , I knew I had to do what exercise I could to get my strength and blood sugar under control and found the solution in music …uplifting , motivational music . I started out by just walking for 15 minutes at a time and within a few months I could do a full aerobic work out and use light dumbells . I would suggest talking to your doctor about what kind of exercise you can do …it takes a while to get going as well as a bit to feel the results ,but it gives one a healthy dose of endorphins which can vastly improve ones mood and outlook . I am also here if you need someone to talk to . Feel free to pm me .

as well as others ideas

oojason said:

screams in the void said:

oojason said:

Don’t forget the version of the Sequels… that were novels (back in 1999):-
 

In 1999, an interview with George Lucas in Wired magazine, titled ‘Grand Illusion’… just a few months before the ‘Vector Prime’ book (from the ‘New Jedi Order’ series of novels) - began being heavily promoted (with tv advert and poster campaigns), a series of novels which Lucas himself was involved in and contributed to…

Interviewer: “What about the reports that Episodes 7, 8, and 9 - which exist in novel form - will never reach the screen?”

George Lucas: “The sequels were never really going to get made anyway, unlike 1, 2, and 3, where the stories have existed for 20 years. The idea of 7, 8, and 9 actually came from people asking me about sequels, and I said, “I don’t know. Maybe someday.” Then when the licensing people came and asked, “Can we do novels?” I said do sequels, because I’ll probably never do sequels.”

^ Grand Illusion - the full article at Wired.

 

A little more background info can be found here:-

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/hr1tnz/behind_the_scenes_the_making_of_the_new_jedi
 

For some reason , I am unable to see that article on reddit at that link . Sounded interesting from the comments . Was it removed , or is there a back up link ? or conversely , could you post the text of the article here ?

Hiya screams 😃 My apologies - I should have also said this too… click on a space where the text should be - and it will all appear.

I’m not sure if it to do with the text being a little lengthy - or an old spoiler code or something - but clicking on it should work, mate. 👍
 

It worked , thank you . It was an interesting read . I also found it peculiar that George’s sequel treatments that have recently come to light ,if true , would have heavily used ideas from the conception of NJO ,while at the same time , cribbing heavily from the old EU and placing characters out of their original time and context , like Darth Talon etc .

for most of the past year , my main way of watching them has been either the 92 VHS letterbox versions or the full screen "faces " Vhs set , all on CRT televisions linked together with a soundbar hooked up to one , computer speakers to the other with a long aux cord running to the back of the room from those computer speakers, and going to either my Sony boombox ,or , lately , a portable speaker . I created my own thrifty little surround sound system and have gotten a lot of enjoyment from watching this way .

oojason said:

Don’t forget the version of the Sequels… that were novels (back in 1999):-
 

In 1999, an interview with George Lucas in Wired magazine, titled ‘Grand Illusion’… just a few months before the ‘Vector Prime’ book (from the ‘New Jedi Order’ series of novels) - began being heavily promoted (with tv advert and poster campaigns), a series of novels which Lucas himself was involved in and contributed to…

Interviewer: “What about the reports that Episodes 7, 8, and 9 - which exist in novel form - will never reach the screen?”

George Lucas: “The sequels were never really going to get made anyway, unlike 1, 2, and 3, where the stories have existed for 20 years. The idea of 7, 8, and 9 actually came from people asking me about sequels, and I said, “I don’t know. Maybe someday.” Then when the licensing people came and asked, “Can we do novels?” I said do sequels, because I’ll probably never do sequels.”

^ Grand Illusion - the full article at Wired.

 

A little more background info can be found here:-

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/hr1tnz/behind_the_scenes_the_making_of_the_new_jedi
 

For some reason , I am unable to see that article on reddit at that link . Sounded interesting from the comments . Was it removed , or is there a back up link ? or conversely , could you post the text of the article here ?

Servii said:

screams in the void said:

Yeah , the Legends/canon debate never really bothered me as I remember when the original Marvel comics were kind of dismissed in the 90s and not considered worthy of " Canon " status , and then a decade or so later , they were incorporated into the EU novels and comics etc . Plus , you have the fact that though George didn’t see the EU material as part of his universe , he still often cherry picked from it , from the prequels to the clone wars and even to his sequel trilogy treatments . Which is what the current iteration of Lucasfilm under Disney has been doing a lot of as well .So I see that as relevant to this threads title . I have been making the point ,often ,as well , that the legends material is still in print and yes , a lot of it is even being re issued with newly commissioned cover art .A lot of people act like those stories were wiped from existence when that is clearly not the case .The way I see it ,with everything out there , anyone is free to follow one or the other or even mix and match to suit their tastes where it fits . There’s something for everyone and I will never complain about it . I just read/watch what I like and ignore the rest . I remember the dark times , from about 1986 to 1991 when there was hardly any Star Wars material available .

That’s a good way of approaching it. Star Wars is like a buffet. You enjoy what you like and leave the rest for others. It’s not really worth it to get caught up in which stories are canon or not, since they’re all works of fiction, anyway. The old EU’s “softer” approach to canon, with the different tiers and all that, was more supportive of that “buffet” mindset, since you could take or leave individual stories based on what you preferred. Disney canon is more monolithic by comparison, though that may be starting to change now with stuff like Visions and the KOTOR remake.

yup , it is like a buffet , and with the current canon , I also take or leave individual stories based on what I prefer ,as I do with the old EU .

Merry Christmas to you as well !

Yeah , the Legends/canon debate never really bothered me as I remember when the original Marvel comics were kind of dismissed in the 90s and not considered worthy of " Canon " status , and then a decade or so later , they were incorporated into the EU novels and comics etc . Plus , you have the fact that though George didn’t see the EU material as part of his universe , he still often cherry picked from it , from the prequels to the clone wars and even to his sequel trilogy treatments . Which is what the current iteration of Lucasfilm under Disney has been doing a lot of as well .So I see that as relevant to this threads title . I have been making the point ,often ,as well , that the legends material is still in print and yes , a lot of it is even being re issued with newly commissioned cover art .A lot of people act like those stories were wiped from existence when that is clearly not the case .The way I see it ,with everything out there , anyone is free to follow one or the other or even mix and match to suit their tastes where it fits . There’s something for everyone and I will never complain about it . I just read/watch what I like and ignore the rest . I remember the dark times , from about 1986 to 1991 when there was hardly any Star Wars material available .

I’m not much of a gamer , but I gave this trailer a watch , and I’m having flashbacks …I think I already saw this and it was called Dune 2021 . Baron Harkonnen , is that you coming out of the oil ? My,my , you slimmed down quickly !

yup , and Mcquarrie’s signature is visible on each piece in the first post . I have the Hoth playset , found it at an antique store on my birthday a couple years ago . I also got the Joe Jhonston concept AT-AT micro machine at the same antique store over 10 years ago and have them both displayed on a shelf .

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^ My VHS copy of the fullscreen ESB has the blue lasers as well , I have always wondered about this , even asked about it in these forums several times over the years .Restoration glitch seems the most likely to me …not much info on it out there though .

Awesome and entertaining .informative thread . Thank you ! I recently started jumping back into the old and Legends EU and some of those links are very helpful as I want to revisit The New Jedi Order series and beyond ,but don’t want to make a 20 book commitment and more , so it points to the essential books which provide the core story .I read NJO up to Balance Point when they first came out ,but life got in the way after that and I just got the bullet points from the rest from Wookieepedia etc for the rest of the legends eu .

Anakin Starkiller said:

I think the Resistance attacking the capitol would’ve aged poorly after the Capitol Riots on January 6th here in the US.

Nah, that would’ve been hilarious.

^ and why do you think it would have been hilarious ?

Ok , I’ll bite …I loved TFA and still do , for me ,a lot of it boils down to Rey’s introduction as a scavenger on Jakku struggling to survive , while feeling isolated , alone and abandoned and asking why …wanting connection . It’s the same thing that made me identify with Starlord in Guardians Of The Galaxy…many friends and family members of mine have passed on and I feel those same pangs . Whatever perceived flaws some have of her are far outweighed for me personally by the things I just mentioned .This thread will be cathartic for some though I’m sure .The only thing I would change on TFA would be some of the Earth based modern humor and colloquialisms

I loved TLJ even more ,though I didn’t really care for parts of the Canto Bight sequence ,like the arrest of Fin and Rose for illegal parking , I thought that was too goofy as was the hillbilly sounding alien that called for their arrest I also thought their escape on the Fathiers felt more like something out of Fantastic Beasts from the Harry Potter universe and didn’t really feel like Star Wars . ( Nothing against Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts , I enjoyed them , but they’re a , uh , different animal altogether . ) I think the whole sequence could use a trim .The only real good thing that came out of the sequence IMO was setting up Broom boy and reinforcing the idea that anyone can be a Force user and it doesn’t have to be about blood lines . The Rise Of Skywalker flipped on this ,I will let others debate on the logistics of that . Even though I enjoyed some aspects of TROS , It’s a fun popcorn movie that I just kinda shut my brain off when I watch , but that’s about it .

For my own Head cannon , It kind of ends with The Last Jedi for me . It has an open ending and one can assume from what transpired , that the galaxy will be inspired by Luke’s actions and be emboldened to rise up …Kinda what I thought TROS would do when I first heard the title .I could even see a fan editor putting in an after credits scene as a coda , using all of the Ships led by Lando flying in from Tros , with the triumphant John Williams SW theme . The end .

Personally , I think Treverrow’s Duel Of The Fates script would have been the way to go for Episode 9 and I enjoyed reading it as well as seeing all the concept art for it and the fan comic and audio drama that were made from it . It also addresses a lot of issues I have heard some fans talk about , such as Fin actually starting and following through with a Stormtrooper uprising . The biggest plus for me is Rose having a substantial role in it and actively being a participant . The biggest issue with TROS for me was how she got sidelined to the other characters ,especially after all Kelly Marie Tran (Trần Loan ) went through . And yeah , I know she addressed this , but I still thought she deserved better . John Boyega too .

That’s all I can think of right now , suffice to say , I like what I like and feel no reason to argue over it . Experience has taught me that I’m not going to sway anyone who doesn’t want to be swayed . Art is subjective …in the words of the Dude , " It’s just like , my opinion man " , or conversely , " That’s just like , your opinion man "

It fluctuates for me over time . Here are my current rankings of the live action films

The Empire Strikes Back ( This one never changes and will always be my #1 )
Star Wars
Return Of The Jedi
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
Solo
The Phantom Menace
Revenge Of The Sith
Attack Of The Clones
The Rise Of Skywalker