screams in the void

yotsuya said:

And face it, Threepio was pretty comic in the OT.

Face it , Threepio’s comedy in the OT was actually funny and played off the other characters in service of the story .The prequels had him resorting to bad puns and quips …" I’m beside myself ." " This is such a drag . " , " What do you mean naked ? My parts are showing ? Oh my !" etc I did like some of the early episodes of Clone Wars where Threepio was teamed up with Jar Jar though , as he was annoying ,even to Threepio . I felt that show handled Jar Jar better than the films overall .

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CarboniteSolo said:

Thanks screams in the void, but I think some things need to happen in the Prequels, other scenes could go and be replaced.

Episode II would be showing more of Anakin’s fighting and piloting skills, being more of a good friend, and have more of a personal relationship with Kenobi, hinting toward the end that this dark side lingers inside him.

I would also have it where it would be more of Kenobi’s fault for not letting Anakin get to his mother on time, and feeding this anger toward his teacher and friend.

I do think there are scenes that are good for the overall story and others, like Jar Jar and the Gungans should have been omitted and focused more on Anakin or Kenobi’s character.

I loved Shmi Skywalker, the pod race and Darth Maul, but Jar Jar and the slapstick comedy had to go, it was a waste of film (not for kiddos though)

The first film should have had a more serious tone with less comedy.

“I would also have it where it would be more of Kenobi’s fault for not letting Anakin get to his mother on time, and feeding this anger toward his teacher and friend.” Great idea that ! and I agree that ," The first film should have had a more serious tone with less comedy."

I agree they were poorly written , though I do enjoy some aspects of them . Your ideas seem interesting CarboniteSolo , though when I read them it seemed like they rely on leaving too much of the prequels intact when it comes to the antagonism between Obi - Wan and Anakin . If anything , the prequels need to play up , " And he was a good friend " from the original film and actually show us more of their friendship before things fall apart .One angle I was ok with in the prequels was Anakin as a slave , but thought it was a missed opportunity and he could have showed more resentment to the Jedi council for not helping end it and free his mom as well as all the slaves . It was something that was foreshadowed in TPM but never really followed up on . I have mentioned this elewhere , but I think him going beore the council and saying , " How can we call ourselves guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy , when we turn a blind eye to one of the most serious injustices ? " It would have gone a long way to making his turn more believable . I think you are right though , we should have started with Anakin early on . I would take it a step further and have him be around Luke’s age in the original film .Also , go with things implied from the original film more . Have Anakin start out living with the Lars on Tatooine as an ace starship mechanic and pilot . Have the clones be the Mandalorian Supercommandos from the early design phase of TE
SB . Maybe start the first film as a mirror of the opening of the original and have Kenobi fleeing from a Dreadnaught class cruiser like the ones in Zahn’s Katana Fleet , as he is fleeing it , the Dreadnaught drops a Mandalorian Starfighter out of its hangar and it pursues Kenobi to the surface of Tatooine . Kenobi’s ship takes a hit and he crash lands near the Lars Moisture Farm …they see smoke on the horizon and rush to help and the story is set in motion .Later on , reveal to the audience that a slave trade is happening on Tatooine . Maybe Anakin and The Lars family are indentured servants to one of the slave traders and it may give more plot motivation for Anakin’s turn later , among other factors .

This looks awesome Bobson , can’t wait to see the finished edit ! I started my own edit a few years back using some of the available resources at the time that conformed to the order of scenes in the Marvel comics adaptation .Only got as far as the first issue , but now I am feeling inspired to continue . Love your coloring and edits !

Yeah , maybe an amendment to the start of that thread along the lines , Thank you George , for giving us the original Movies we fell in love with and then go into the rest of it . It’s also worth mentioning , that in the initial petitions , George is shown appreciation for his efforts to evolve the saga , “While many of us appreciate and enjoy George Lucas’ creative evolution of the classic Star Wars films via the various releases of the ever-changing ‘Special Editions’, we respectfully state that there is tremendous importance in the original theatrical prints of the Star Wars Trilogy.” This info can be found at the top of the home page to this site and I highly recommend it to new members as well as those who may have misinformed ideas as to this sites purpose …https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy-OriginalTrilogy-coms-enduring-goal-How-you-can-help/id/90534

would like to point out that you are correct about HelloGreedo’s community being nice and that he did change his views on the prequels . That said , he still advocates for a high quality release of the original unaltered trilogy and has reflected the sentiments of many here over the years …it wouldn’t be an issue if he had done this . Yeah , there has been some vitriol directed unfairly to admirers of the prequels , but It’s a false equivalency to compare the revisionist history thread that Jason started to those who hurl the vitriol to the prequels .

Stardust1138 said:

screams in the void said:

That’s just like , uh , you’re opinion . Dude , you are literally commenting on a forum which was created with the expressed purpose of preserving his original vision , as well as that of his numerous collaborators who helped bring that vision to life and who’s work is sadly swept under the rug in favor of his numerous revisions …like those commentaries you mentioned . Kasdan not withstanding ,as those were snippets culled from other interviews . I don’t need a video ,or you , to tell me "how to watch Star Wars " , I know how to watch Star Wars , I load the tape into my VCR ,The disc into my DVD player or cue up some of the wonderful preservations created here .

That’s what I mean. If we’re supposed to hold ourselves to the standards of the purpose of the original intentions of the forum than we should just as much respect and understand George Lucas as we do his collaborators.

No , we shouldn’t and we don’t , because George didn’t respect his collaborators enough to preserve the work they did for future generations to enjoy , he only gave a disingenuous effort in the form of the 2006 dvd which was transferred from an already out of date laserdisc from the 90s and not anamorphic in presentation . And that was mostly due to the efforts of this site .This is why we fight .

That’s just like , uh , you’re opinion . Dude , you are literally commenting on a forum which was created with the expressed purpose of preserving his original vision , as well as that of his numerous collaborators who helped bring that vision to life and who’s work is sadly swept under the rug in favor of his numerous revisions …like those commentaries you mentioned . Kasdan not withstanding ,as those were snippets culled from other interviews . I don’t need a video ,or you , to tell me "how to watch Star Wars " , I know how to watch Star Wars , I load the tape into my VCR ,The disc into my DVD player or cue up some of the wonderful preservations created here .

ken-obi said:

Darth Malgus said:

I’ve seen a saying somewhere on here, something like “Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest”.

Let people enjoy what they like. There is so much in Star Wars (film, tv, books, comics, music, games) to take and enjoy, or to leave aside if not.

I have been saying the same thing for years , totally agree .

Darth Retcon said:

screams in the void said:

One thing George forgot …not all poetry rhymes , nor does it have to .

100%.
 

As Emre says above there are some good points and facts made in Plinkett’s section on George, rhyming, Ring Theory and more, in his TFA review: https://youtu.be/miVRaoR_8xQ?t=653

Not forgetting his actual reviews on the Prequels themselves.
 

Contrary to what some other believe and claim, I even managed to still have my own views on the PT films after watching the Plinkett reviews!

In case it gets lost in the shuffle , I will repost the video by Hellogreedo here , which critiques the whole "ring theory " in a manner of civil discourse that is far removed from the tone of Plinkett …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGBGcvWkdM and how was it that George described poetry ? Oh , yeah , now I remember …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFqFLo_bYq0

Stardust1138 said:

screams in the void said:

One thing George forgot …not all poetry rhymes , nor does it have to .

I’d say George actually understands that perfectly. His whole way of creating poetry is different than how most see it. He likes taking an idea and changing the contexts around it to give a deeper meaning within another part of the story. Along with creating visual symmetry between the two trilogies. You can also slowly see the Republic be remade into the image of the Empire through shapes and design. He sees poetry more as lyrics to a song than as a literal prose the Sequel Trilogy mostly takes it to mean. He also writes his dialogue in a very similar way. He has tones he’s aiming for instead of dialogue that’s more modern in presentation. He uses the old fashioned style versus what is considered the normal for an audience today. He finds contemporary storytelling boring.

Examples within Dialogue:

“Your lightsabers will make a fine addition to my collection.” = Intimidation

“It’s only because I’m so in love.” = Devotion

Example within Narrative Poetry: Anakin/Vader physically or emotionally wounds Padme and Luke. Both reach out to Obi-Wan. Luke through the Force. Padme directly by asking him if Anakin is okay. Then you also have the most profound part for me - Luke and Leia are being born at the same time as though Luke and Leia are communicating through the Force when Leia checks if Luke is okay and rescues him. Just as Padme does with checking with Obi-Wan if Anakin is okay and Obi-Wan is rescuing her by taking her somewhere safe. It’s also happening while Anakin is being reborn as Darth Vader and losing his grip as Darth Vader as he spares the Imperial Officers when the Millennium Falcon escapes. Just as Padme is losing her will to live and giving life. The sequence ends with Anakin in his last words before being fully reborn as Darth Vader are of asking if Padme is safe. And naturally Padme’s last words in between are her belief there’s good in Anakin. This carries over to Luke. He keeps Padme’s hopeful belief in Anakin going after being scarred by him as she was but the difference is he survived. She didn’t. Her legacy did though. His journey of saving his father is rooted in his connection with his mother. In a way Leia takes more after Anakin personality wise but Luke takes after Padme in personality. In a more beautifully haunting way of putting it, one life begins as another passes.

And Visual Poetry:

I’ll just leave this here …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFqFLo_bYq0 and this as well…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGBGcvWkdM

One thing George forgot …not all poetry rhymes , nor does it have to .

I like that the older EU is still in print and can be found on bookstore shelves and libraries . A lot of good stuff , a lot of bad and some mediocre stuff out there both old and new . My personal favorite EU story is the original Marvel Star Wars comics issues 58-63 from 1982 , detailing the rebels finding a new base on a forest world ( second guessing ROTJ for the second time ) and the Shira Brie arc . I consider those 6 issues to be like a movie in my head and would love to see an animated " legends " movie adaptation in the style of the DC animated movies . Also liked the first Dark Empire series , but only the first one . The OG Thrawn Trilogy , Tales Of The Jedi , I, Jedi and The New Jedi Order . From the new stuff , I enjoyed Bloodline by Claudia Gray , Rey’s survival guide , Empire’s End Trilogy by Chuck Wendig , Some of the Vader comics and Doctor Aphra , The Lando comic series and The Obi-Wan and Anakin comic

as a forum member on this here site that was founded with the goal of preserving the original theatrical releases of the Original Trilogy , I have to vote a big NO . As a " Special Edition " which is what they should have remained as an alternative viewing experience to the originals , the only changes to ESB for that I liked were the cleaned up matte lines /transparency issues and also the views outside the windows on Cloud City , as that was depicted in Ralph Mcquarrie’s concept art and production paintings . But , as said on these boards a million times …no one would have an issue with them if we had a high quality High Def release of the originals .

I dislike that its still not available on a modern high definition format in its original form after all these years .

thebluefrog said:

Lucas has changed his mind multiple times over the decades.

uh, yeah , I’m very familiar with all of that . Thank you for making my point for me .

thebluefrog said:

In ROTS, by specifically introducing an entirely new character and his Midi-abilities, Lucas was laying down narrative threads for his microscopic plot in the next chapters.

uh , yeah , I call BS on this , he didn’t have anything layed down for after ROTS … …In a 2008 interview in Total Film, Lucas more categorically ruled out anybody else ever making the sequel trilogy - or other future Star Wars features. Asked if he was happy for new Star Wars tales to be told after he was gone, Lucas replied:

“I’ve left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII–IX. That’s because there isn’t any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married…”[38]​

Speaking after Disney’s 2012 acquisition of Lucasfilm, Lucas (sitting alongside new Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy), said, “I always said I wasn’t going to do any more, and that’s true, because I’m not going to do any more. But that doesn’t mean I’m unwilling to turn it over to Kathy to do more.” but , then again , he did have vague idea of the sequels back in 1983 , but no real plot fleshed out , just this vague statement “The main theme of the trilogy would be moral and philosophical problems, such as the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned” I highly recommend the George Lucas time travelling revisionist thread elsewhere on these forums for more info

I think the start date was heavily implied to be a long time ago ,in a galaxy far , far away …

wow , she even has the audacity to post her picture while spamming the boards here …https://originaltrilogy.com/user/weent19/id/69823

Yeah , it’s an interesting opinion Malgus presents and I think he is presenting it in the right place . I had no problem following Vader’s trajectory when I saw the OT during its original run however , I understood that years had past between the first two films and by ROTJ , I could understand Vader’s motivations and inner conflict .I didn’t need the prequels to understand any of that . I did have a curiousity to see what made him turn to the dark side though ,built up in interviews in various publications at the time . Some of it came to pass and some of it was flawed in execution. Every kid in the 80s knew his back story as the one where he battled Kenobi over a molten pit and fell in ,to crawl his way out of that fiery pool , to paraphrase what was said in publications that were labelled official , such as Star Wars Official poster monthly and even a George Lucas interview in Rolling Stone . Instead , we get Kenobi chopping his limbs off and leaving him at the edge of the lava flow ,to scream and burn to death as he turns his back on him .The damage is done though ,and I hope the Kenobi show addresses it , but I think the OT stands just fine on its own .

BedeHistory731 said:

Also, adding “I think” helps your statement stand out as less of a statement of fact and more as you provided an informed opinion. This goes for everybody.

Of course it goes for everybody , although, the title of this topic thread implies a solicitation of opinion . Though I disagree with most of what Stardust is putting forth here , he is giving his opinion and he has a right to it . With that said , his arguments have been discussed elsewhere on this site before . Personally , I THINK , Hellogreedo hit the nail on the head in addressing it a few years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGBGcvWkdM but that’s just like , my opinion man ( as well as HelloGreedo’s and , I suspect , many others ) .

it was the 70s …long shag carpet was a thing

I first read them when Dark Horse comics collected them in the late 90s in a two issue series with the odd title of Devilworlds . I hade been aware of them for years but this was my first chance to read them here in the U.S. I liked them and my favorite was the Story Dark Lord’s Conscience where he played an odd sort of chess game called fire path with a Cthulu like being ( Who Borgullet from Rogue One reminded me of ) . I think that story had the best art out of them . I also liked the Bizzare Tilotony throws a shape and being a fan of the original Marvel comic run , it finally gave an explanation for Leia having a broken leg in issue 35 ,though it’s probably just a coincidence , it’s in my head canon .Overall , they were interesting and surreal stories off the beaten path and fun to finally see , as were all of the other U.K. stories that took decades to be published here .

JadedSkywalker said:

There is a US NTSC letterbox set from 1992 but far less common. Its not rare either. But back then everyone wanted full screen tapes.

I have this set of the letterbox tapes and they come from the same video master as the Japanese Special Collection, the same as the US first issue widescreen laserdisc releases. With the same misframed image to fit the Japanese subtitles which aren’t on the video but they never corrected them.

Jedi is the worst effected. And it wasn’t corrected until the remastered THX releases which began with the definitive laserdisc collection and faces laserdisc, and also the widescreen tapes.

^ I bought that set when it first came out , would often tell people who were against the black bars on the top and bottom that this was the directors intent and that when watching fullscreen 4x3 movies , you were only seeing a portion of the whole image , a movie screen is rectangular , not square . They would look at me in complete bewilderment . Funny how things changed over time . I still have all the tapes as well as the book and certificate it came with , but lost the box and my TESB tape in a move . You are right , its not rare , and it pisses me off that people are artificially inflating the price of this set on Ebay . I would like to replace what I lost . The same thing is starting to happen with the prices of the red hi-fi label individual tapes . What makes me laugh the most is when I see articles about " The most valuable vhs tapes of all time " , and they show a picture of the 95 faces fullscreen box set , which is literally the most common and widely available set out there .