Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread, but are you putting back the 1 or 2 missing frames per film that were present on the PAL versions and are missing from the NTSC? I know you're using the PAL version of Jedi, but I think it's missing a frame compared with the NTSC.
Cool. So the frame count should be the same, in the end. Thanks
So you're saying the first one is an extra frame, but the second is a duplicate frame that replaces another?
russs15 said:
Darth Mallwalker said:
Back on topic of ESB pressings, I own these:
(chronological)
1425-84 = analog only
SF148-1242 = Special Collection (JSC)
1425-85 = Pioneer Video, Inc. (PVI)
1425-84 = re-issue by Mitsubishi with diGital SOUND added (*)
1425-85 = re-issue by Technidisc
(*) It has digital sound, but might also have CX-encoding applied, which would be a mastering error. Analog tracks often use CX, but digital shouldn't. So we would need some CX decoder software, if such a thing exist.
Stupid question time........
Like most other Star Wars Digital Sound releases, does the Mitsubishi 1425-84 have Digital and Analogue tracks?? If so, could the CX on the box simply refer to the Analogue track and not the Digital track?
More than likely that is the case. There's no need for CX on the digital track.
Mallwalker, I've got my copies of the SC, I'll try to get some samples of the beginning of side 5 of Jedi either tonight or tomorrow.
Also, if the SWE has the same mix, it could be used to check/repair any side changes from the JSC. It only has three sides and should therefore have side changes at different places. This might take some minimal editing, though, which could go against the goal having an exact bit-perfect audio track though.
Russ, I have compared the analog tracks on the SWE version of Star Warsand they are the same as the digital tracks. The analog track has all of the 1985 anomalies. I'd have to compare empire and jedi, but I highly doubt they're any differences.
*edit - Please understand, I am not pushing anyone to do anything, that is why I said possibly above, but this is starting to get confusing and I am hoping to figure all this out soon, but I guess if worst comes to worst, I could just leave all my audio files as is, it is still complete, and it is available, just not quite as good as Digital PCM, but something is better than nothing.
I was already planning on ripping all of these discs myself anyway. I should be able to begin after this weekend.
I'm going to compare the Special Widescreen and Special Collection mastering and choose the better of the two versions for each film. I also plan to re-rip the DC discs and could compare with the Faces Set if necessary. The only disc I need to track down is the CAV fullscreen disc.
BTW, I'll be using the E-MU 1616m for capturing bit perfect pcm. I also have an rf demodulator and plan to rip bit perfect copies of the 5.1 mixes of the SE and the theatrical version of TPM.
Cool, I was just reading that those remixes were only included on the VHS in 1985, so you're right, those should be the original mixes on the two CAV releases.
Edit--
There are fullscreen CLV discs from Japan that were released in 1983 and 1984 respectively that should contain the theatrical mixes.
You're right Russ, I actually have the older CLV edition from 1983 "1425-80", which is time compressed. Since the US CAV editions of Star Wars and Empire were both released in 1985, I'm not sure I trust that those have the original mixes.
dark_jedi,
I'm going to rip them. It's really just bit-perfect capturing if you want to get technical about it.
As for the other mixes you're looking for, I have all of those ld's, but the 1980 empire disc (1425-84) is analog only, and time compressed, so that cannot be "ripped" per se.
I'm going to try to get a copy of 1983 Japanese Fullscreen LD (SF098-0013) because it should have the same mix, but isn't time compressed.
russs15 said:
The Aluminum Falcon said:
Did anyone ever decide to capture the 1985 mix of ESB? Was the only difference to this changed levels?
Bumping this question again. Has anyone captured and synced to the GOUT the 1985 Digital Sound from the 1986 Japanese Special Collection (SF148-1242), 1989 Special Widescreen Edition (1130-85) or 1992 Full SCreen Digital Sound (5651-80) LaserDiscs?
Out of sheer curiosity I plan to do a 1980 in channel 1 and 1985 in channel 2 side by side mix just to hear this for myself. If anyone has done this or is halfway there, I am interested to see how they are getting on.
Russs, I just ordered the special collection on ebay, and I'm planning on ripping the audio at some point later this month. I also have the Special Widescreen version, which I'll also rip. I'm going to compare the rips to choose whichever is mastered better.
Mallwalker, do you have a script for anh?
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DJ, did you find anyone to print your covers on better paper yet? I could get that done for you. Let me know.
I think the complete documentary from the LD set and the three trailers would be the most logical extras. Possibly other stuff from that cd rom that came out around the release of the SE's.
DE,
Are you saying you wrote a program to record and validate the AC-3 stream, or did you do this using some software?
Also, how did you remove the padding between frames?
Hey Arnie, I have everything you would need to do a bit perfect capture (SE LD Set, pioneer cld-d704 player, sony ta-e9000es preamp with rf input and optical output, & E-MU 1616m), but I'm not sure you could join the different LD sides together into one file. I'm also not exactly sure how to capture the ac3, either.
My guess is that it would involve recording to a 48khz wav and renaming the file to ac3. Let me know if you have any pointers on how to start.
skyjedi2005 said:
Has this been released yet DJ ?
I am totally looking forward to an anamorphic decent quality ntsc release, beyond yours i would have to recode the g'kar and it would be shit,lol.
+1
I could use an invite to myspleen as well. My old login is not working anymore. Thanks
It looks great, thanks. I'm really excited to see how the next two look.
Also, I have a version of those cowclops commentaries that I created a while ago. They're basically the '93 stereo mixes combined with the 1993 commentaries. The movie audio fades very low when the commentary comes in, but fades up when comments are done. They are sync'd to the GOUT, but I can't vouch for their sound quality though, as I believe they are sourced entirely from cowlops v2, which, to my knowledge, had some clipping on the audio. I can send these to you if you're interested.
Thanks again
You could encode the audio with dts hd master audio. It's lossless, but is smaller in size.
msycamore said:
Well, sorry. I shouldn't even have commented on such a irrelevant thing. And yes, I'm fully aware of what theatrical Dolby Stereo is, hence my silly little comment, as the theatrical Dolby Stereo mix will be played on your home equipment, it will certainly be a Dolby Surround encoded track. ;)
Looking back at my response it comes off a bit more pissy than I intended. Sorry. :)
msycamore said:
LexX said:
ray_afraid said:
schorman13 said:
Hell. Yes. LOVE it!
Me too. Only thing I'd change in this particular one is "theatrical" crawl, since ANH was also "theatrical", only later one. IMO it would be better as Star Wars or then 1977 and 1981. Of course the 1981 isn't on V3 but just saying. :) Btw that looks pretty funny with all those tracks, haha. Not many films has that much.
If I am allowed to nitpick a little, the 1977 Dolby Stereo should also be listed as a Dolby Surround track, if you haven't encoded it in plain 2.0 stereo that is.
Example: 1977 Dolby Stereo - Dolby 2.0 Surround, this is what I call nitpicking! ;)
As I've said before, this is not my final version. In fact I did this about three years ago. Also, Dolby Stereo is the name for the original theatrical system that was used in 1977. If that mix is indeed the theatrical stereo, then it would be Dolby Stereo. Dolby Surround is the name for Dolby's home version. Here's a link:
skyjedi2005 said:
The official menu looks ugly because the poster art has been desaturated i like the above version better looks just like a print of the Hildebrandt poster.
The only problem with the replacement menu i see is the above image is not in the correct proportions for 16:9 anamorphic widescreen.
This is the image you would use. The DVD player stretches it automatically to 16:9 as long as you set it up that way.
hairy_hen said:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't like that menu picture at all. I'd much prefer a modified version of the actual GOUT menus.
Someone mentioned before about there being flickering on top of the 'eyes' on the stormtroopers' helmets in the scene where they're bringing Leia to Vader near the beginning. I've noticed this before, it seems to be an inherent flaw of the GOUT, and it looks like nasty aliasing of some sort. I was hoping the script would take care of it, but apparently not? Blast . . .
Here's the official GOUT version. I'm just saying that I would keep all GOUT menus the same, except for the options menu. I think that one would have to be redone, no matter what. I think mine was pretty close. It's not the final version anyway.
dark_jedi said:
I have to admit, if I was good with menu's, personally I would have LOVED to use the retail GOUT menu's for these, obviously they would need some editing, I think the menu's on the GOUT is actually pretty cool.
I've sort of done this already in preparation. Basically, only the options menu would have to be totally redone from scratch. I'll post a screen shot of the one I did a little while back.
Also, I haven't really worked with blu-ray at all, so no, I can't really handle that one yet. Are you making blu-rays?
Here's the menu I made a while ago. It's a redo of the GOUT menu. Obviously the most important part of the menus is the programming though. I use DVDMaestro to do this.
