Hey, I've posted AHDN and Help! to Demonoid. They are both SL DVDs.
Did you also want the US version of Yellow Submarine? I still need to dig up that disc.
Enjoy.
Hey, I just found this thread. I have the AMC versions of AHDN and Help!, along with that LD version of YS. I can upload to demonoid this weekend.
That one is on the CAV as well, you'd probably want to patch it from the 85 mix if possible.
Yeah, I noticed that one. It's not present on the CAV disc, so it could easily be patched. My original goal was to do as little patching as necessary to maintain sync. This was the one spot I wasn't sure about fixing.
CatBus, I'm done with this, it's my final version, at least for now.
Thanks Russs. I guess that's why they made such a big deal when LD's first introduced digital sound.
Russs, I have have GOUT synced tracks created from the JSC and SWE for Empire and Jedi ready to upload if there's interest.
TServo, you may be right about it being a new master, there are some differences between the two audio tracks. There's a bit of a pitch wobble during the end of the twin sunset scene found on the digital track that's not present on the CAV disc, as well as a couple of other unique audio dropouts. I've corrected as many of these as I could, but some may have slipped by.
The CAV disc does seem to have a different mastering. However, it exactly matches the older Japanese Analog CLV disc (FY570-35MA), which has the correct logo and fanfare. If you look at a spectrogram of a recording from the CAV version, you can see roughly where the edit was made, right after the fanfare.
**Correction: The Japanese Analog CLV audio matches the Digital CLV version exactly. It looks to me like this is a separate master from the US CAV version that was converted to Digital. However, it still looks like that fanfare was pasted onto the beginning of the CAV soundtrack.
Ah, so this is probably what it is. So I have made this very confusing for myself. :) I was just confused because I thought that the CAV version was the correct one. And I did not really notice that big of a difference between the John Williams and the Newman original. They just sounded like different masterings without careful attention, while the 1981 version sounds significantly different.
Anyway, the Japanese Digital track does have the correct fanfare, though it does have the wrong, 80's fox logos.
I will correct this for the second time and reupload. And make sure to mark it as the corrected version. Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks for the help in straightening this out.
TSevrvo 2049, that is the version on the CAV disc. Are you saying that this is not the 1954 recording? Is it some other mystery version? To me it sounds exactly like the version on the 1997 soundtrack cd.
Alright, it's definitely the correct, 1954 fanfare on the track I posted. However, I made a mistake, I actually have two copies of Empire on CAV and only one copy of Star Wars. I am about 95% sure it's the original 1985 pressing based on the disc labels, and it has the correct fanfare. For what it's worth, the only other version I have with the correct fanfare is the time compressed version (1130-80), but that has a weird thing where the first two drum rolls are at the correct speed, but the rest of it is sped up. Neither of the three Japanes CLV discs have the correct fanfare (FY570-35MA, SF098-1103, PILF 1236). It seems that the CAV is the only NTSC disc with the 1954 fanfare. I'm not sure about PAL pressings though, nor am I sure about the 1992 repress.
Can someone confirm that I've included the correct fanfare? Now I'm really confused. I actually have two copies of the the 1130-84. The discs have slightly different labels. One matches other 80's pressings I have, and the other matches some others from the 90's. That's all I can tell.
I need to check to see if they both have the same fanfare. However, the posted version does match the 1954 recording from the '97 SE soundtrack.
CatBus,
I recorded the fox fanfare from the US CAV disc (1130-84), and I did not process the sound in any way. This is exactly how it sounds on the laserdisc. I do know that my Pioneer CLD - D704 supposedly has very good audio circuitry, so that could be part of the difference. Also, I'm not sure, but I think
Belbucus may have captured his audio from the time compressed disc, which might explain why it sounds different. I could be wrong about that though.
This is the correct fanfare for the theatrical mix. The 1985 and 1993 mixes, along with the Japanese disc I used for this rip, use the version rerecorded for Empire, instead of the 50's recording used for the original theatrical release.
Ok, I'm now posting the updated version to a.b.sw. Changes include:
1. Change in the Sync of the Fox Fanfare.
2. Correction of the sync after the missing frame at the end of reel 5 to match NTSC GOUT.
3. Upsampled to 48kHz using Izotope RX2
4. Normalized by adding +7.21dB gain. (This is the calculated difference in Loudness between Belbucus's 1993 Mix and this version.)
5. One more minor audio correction using the US CAV disc to fill in a bit of missing sound (about 650 milliseconds)
Ah, my guess is that you are muxing it without upsampling to 48kHz. This file is 44.1kHz, just like the LD. 44.1kHz pcm is not DVD compliant. I guess I can upload my newer version as a 48kHz file.
It should be synced properly with no delay value, although I may have to repost, as I've made a couple of small corrections.
I had used the 1130-84 disc to help me sync the opening fanfare, however it was very different from the other LD's that I have. There was a second or two less time between the fanfare and the beginning of the Star Wars Title theme. Last night I compared the 1130-84 opening titles with the gout and it's missing about 27 frames. Anyway, I re synced the opening fanfare to more closely match the incorrect one present on the japanese disc.
Also, I have synced this to match the GOUT when including the one extra frame from the PAL GOUT as I intend to create a version with this missing frame replaced. That means that the sync will be off by about one frame for the last reel of the film.
I have finished the fanfare and I plan on removing that one frame at the reel change to more closely match other GOUT sourced projects.
It does seem to have a 6 channel digital output as well. The question is whether the signal(s) is encrypted or not, and whether it outputs pcm or a dts signal.
Ok, it's posted to a.b.sw. Let me know if you have questions about it. I am planning on posting the raw capture later today in case anyone is interested.
Ok, I've finished syncing and I should be posting to the newsgroup tomorrow. After comparing this with the 1985 CAV disc, I'm positive that this is the 1977 stereo mix. Many of the same flaws are present in both. However, the digital track does have a few issues unique to it. I have by no means attempted to fix every problem present, but there were a few spots where I used the analog track from the CAV disc to make corrections. This makes up less than five seconds of time over the entire film. The only other corrections required were a few phase issues throughout the film. Additionally, since the digital track did not have the correct version of the fox fanfare, I have taken that from the CAV disc.
The audio has not been resampled or normalized as I wanted to keep it as close as possible to the original source. Therefore, it is presented as a 44.1khz/16 bit PCM wave file.
I don't know about the 1992 version. I've never heard of a digital CAV version of the Pan & Scan LD.
The Japanese version is CLV on three sides. It's not time compressed. It has the correct logo and fanfare.
Joel, yes I'll share both the raw capture and a gout synced version. Right now I'm recapturing to ensure that I have a 100% accurate rip.
My copy of the 1130-84 does have the original fanfare, not the rerecorded version, as does my copy of the 1983 Japanese analog, CLV version (FY570-35MA).
Russs, are those fullscreen versions on laserdisc or vhs?
My thinking is that those issues could be due to the way in which analog audio is stored on laserdisc. They may not be present on a digital mix.
I've got a short update on my progress. I've finish ripping the audio and I've checked and verified that this is definitely not the 1993 mix. However, other than the tractor beam line I couldn't determine if there were any other differences between the 1977 and 1985 mixes, so I don't really know where else to check to verify this.
One place that doesn't seem to fit is the 20th Century Fox fanfare. The 1985 mix has the re recorded version while the 1130-84 version is the original 50's recording. This disc has the newer version, instead of the one that should be on the 1977 mix.
Any thoughts?
Obviously this predates the 1993 mix, but I also checked the snake head thing in the cantina scene mentioned here:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/mono/mono1.htm
This release matches the 1977 mix presented on the site.
It's definitely not the 85 mix. I've verified it using star killer's guide. There's no tractor beam line.
I just received a copy of the 1991, Japanese P&S laser disc release of Star Wars, and can confirm that it includes the 1977 Theatrical stereo mix in digital. I will be ripping it tomorrow and syncing the sides over the next week so that I can share this, as I believe the only sources up until now have been from analog laser discs.
Here are some links to info about this disc:
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/31580/PILF-1236/Star-Wars:-A-New-Hope-(1977)