schorman13

That would be great.  Much appreciated

Has the lossless version been posted anywhere else?  I've been away for a while and missed these.  Thanks.

It was actually a small mistake on my part.  When I synced the 1977 mix, I noticed that there were a few places where the wav file had inverted phase compared to the earlier analog laser discs and the 1985 mix.  In order for the few patches from the analog mix to work correctly, I had to correct the inverted phase in some spots.  I accidentally included the phase corrected versions of side 1 and side 2 instead of the straight LD rip.  I'm planning on fixing this in V2 of the torrent, though the gout synced track will have the correct phase.

Are you able to play it in the 6D without the actual film, or is it totally inaccessible?

Did you ever get a copy of ROTS, or were you just talking about the ones that you can work with?

Yeah they are done, I forgot to mention that :)

Yeah, I'm sorry for the lack of updates.  I've completed the 85 mix of Star Wars, but I've got a couple decisions left to make on a few spots.  Right now I'm working on updating the sync on the 77 stereo mix of Star Wars.  I'll then move on to Empire's JSC/SWE and 1980 mixes and Jedi's JSC/SWE and 1983 mixes.  I've already got a preliminary sync for the JSC/SWE mixes, they just need to be fine-tuned.

I'm thinking of waiting until I finish all the mixes before uploading all the completed, synced tracks as 44.1/16 flacs.  I think I would then update the  other torrent to include the adobe audition project files, so that other people could adjust any part of the mixes they may want/need to change.  I may also upload upsampled files at 48/16 if anyone wants or needs those for DVD or Blu Ray compatibility.

There are ways to utilize either a mono or dual mono track in multiple ways.

Most home theater systems have either a "dual mono" setting and/or a"mono film" setting that can be used to spread the mono audio track between 2, 5.1, or even 7.1 speakers, instead of just the center channel.

If you use a dual mono track and play it with dolby pro-logic enabled it should send all the audio to the center channel.  This gets you back to the mono only setting, if desired.

7FN,

No, 16bit 44.1kHz files are not blu ray compliant.  They have to be upsampled to 48kHz, just like DVD.  However, 44.1kHz should work fine when muxed to an mkv file.

It's going pretty well, I've completed the 93 mixes for all three films and I'm currently finishing up work on the commentary tracks, with the ducked audio to go along with them.  I should have files to post this weekend or early next week, when I get the time.

Thanks, 7FN.  I have a stack of vinyl that I now no longer need to rip.  

Just curious if you could share you dither settings from izotope.  Cheers

h_h, You're right that the DTS-HD MA is probably the easiest format to use in a project, I don't know of a great decoder that will give you back the lossless wav files exactly as they were.  It might be more difficult to transcode if just presented as DTS-HD MA.

Ok, I should be able to upload project files for the 1993 mixes tomorrow as well as the ducked mixes to go with the commentary tracks, that is if Hurricane Isaac doesn't knock out my power/internet connection.  

Additionally, I plan to update the archive due to an oversight on my part regarding the Japanese "Faces" discs.  I actually have three versions of the DC set, the first US pressing that's missing the Leia welding scene, the second US edition with the corrected Leia welding scene, and the first Japanese edition.  Anyway, I chose to include the Japanese version of the DC set because I wanted to make sure that I included the Leia welding scene, and my US second pressing has laser rot and I couldn't get an accurate recording of the audio for ESB.  

When comparing the Japanese and US versions of the "Faces" set, I noticed that the Japanese set synced up exactly with the DC, while the US version did not.  I thought this would make editing and synchronization easier.  However I noticed this week, while syncing these mixes, that the Japanese "Faces" set uses the exact same audio as the DC set, meaning that there is missing audio everywhere the DC had a side change.  The US "Faces" set does not have these blank spots, so it is preferable.  

I'm not sure if I should upload these separately to myspleen or delete the original torrent and repost the updated version.  In the later scenario, only the new files would need to be downloaded, as all the other files would remain unchanged.

Any opinions on this?

I like this change, nice work.

hairy_hen said:

As I recall from watching Puggo Grande, the 16mm capture of the mono mix is really rough and scratchy sounding.  Belbucus did quite extensive cleanup work on his restoration, including careful noise reduction on the rougher parts, so even though it's not up to par with what could be done from a higher quality recording, I don't think there's a better source for the mono version available to us.  Plus it's already perfectly GOUT-synched . . .

+1

You're right, I just rechecked that as well.  I'll be adding that frame back in for myself anyway, so I'm not going to change my plans with regard to that extra frame.

The project files will be made available anyway and can easily be edited.

Mavimao said:

 

schorman13 said:

CatBus, I think that sync issue in Jedi is due to the fact that there are two frames missing from Jedi right before the Rebel debriefing scene on the NTSC version.  It's not due to the source of the video being PAL.  I do plan on syncing the Jedi tracks to the complete version, with all possible missing frames restored (NTSC is missing two frames from PAL, and PAL is missing a single frame from NTSC).

Yes, this is exactly why the NTSC audio goes out of sync when we cut from Degobah to the rebels gathering to talk about attacking the second death star and suddenly gets back into sync more or less a reel later. This plagues all GOUT based projects that use the PAL as video and audio projects synced to the NTSC version.

What do you mean by complete version? Is there really a "complete" version to sync it to?

BTW, this is an awesome project and totally out of left field! Thank you for doing this!

 

By complete, I mean all of the frames.  At one point, I checked DJ's V3 version and I remember being surprised that it had that one frame that was missing from the PAL disc.  I would have to double check that though.  Anyway, I plan to sync them to that version. 

I've already been working on resyncing most of these mixes, and I'm probably about 70% done in total.  I was basically planning to do a theatrical mix, a 1985 mix, a 1993 mix, and an SE Mix for each film, plus the commentary track.  Most of these are completed, but need some small tweaks to make them presentable.  I haven't tried anything with the 5.1 mixes, but I'm going to try to create them by trimming and concatenating the ac3 files themselves rather than by re-encoding.  This will take time and experimentation.  

Since I work mainly in Adobe Audition, I was thinking of creating project files for each mix that could use the wav files present in this torrent.  That way, if you had this torrent, you could download a small project file, and output your own GOUT-synced track(s), without having to download a 2GB file.  This would also allow others people to easily make adjustments they might feel are necessary.  That's just a thought though, and some of the synced files I've already finished would have to be redone as project files.

CatBus, I think that sync issue in Jedi is due to the fact that there are two frames missing from Jedi right before the Rebel debriefing scene on the NTSC version.  It's not due to the source of the video being PAL.  I do plan on syncing the Jedi tracks to the complete version, with all possible missing frames restored (NTSC is missing two frames from PAL, and PAL is missing a single frame from NTSC).

Yes, I'm still planning on doing that, but it may take me a couple of weeks to get them finalized.

I'm also planning on doing a 3.0 mix with the 1993 Commentary Track.  I was going to use the '93 stereo in the left and right channel and the commentary as the center.  I just figured out how to automatically "Duck" the audio in the L/R channels during commentary using Audacity.  I actually began this project by trying to do the "Ducking" manually in Audition, but this should go much quicker.

I was actually also thinking of taking some of the content from the DC bonus interviews and including that audio as well, since the original commentary is fairly sparse.

As a side note, I think the only thing missing from this list would be the original time-compressed versions of Star Wars and Empire.  I have them, but they just didn't really seem necessary.  I could upload those as well if there's interest.

Version 2.0 Now Available on the Spleen!

COMMENTS:

I am providing this Audio Archive for the purposes of saving and sharing the various audio mixes of the Star Wars Trilogy presented on LaserDisc over the years. Since many of the mixes were created to accompany the original, unaltered versions of the Star Wars Films, these mixes have been unavialable on DVD or Blu Ray up to this point.

My intention with all of the completed, synchronized files was to maintain, as much as possible, a bit accurate representation of the soundtracks as presented on LaserDiscs. So each is presented at its original bit depth and sampling rate, (16 bit / 44.1 kHz). While these files will not be suitable for direct use in a DVD or Blu Ray project, they will work perfectly within an mkv container, which is how I envision their use.

Should you prefer to use these mixes for a DVD or Blu Ray, they will require resampling to, at minimum, 16bit / 48 kHz. I recommend Izotope RX4 for resampling, as it currently provides the most transparent/best algorithm. I hope these files will be useful to the entire OT.com community and look forward to sharing it with everyone.

Regards,

-schorman

Laser Discs sets included:

I. Star Wars:

A. 1977 Dolby Stereo

1. Analog Versions

a. US CAV (1130-84)

b. Japan CLV (FY570-35MA)

2. Digital Version

a. Japan CLV (SF098-1103)

b. US Time Compressed CLV (5651-80)

B. 1985 Stereo Home Video Mix

1. Digital Versions

a. Japan Special Collection (SF148-1196)

b. Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc Version) (1130-85)

C. 1993 Stereo Remix

1. Digital Versions

a. Definitive Collection (1994 Japanese Version) (PILF-175701)

b. US “Faces” (8763-85)

D. 1993 Commentary Track (Mono)

1. Analog Source

a. Definitive Collection (US First/Second Pressing) (0693-84-01)

E. 1997 Special Edition

1. US Version (410298501)

        a. Digital LPCM Stereo

b. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (Separate file for SE Trailer in Dolby 2.0)

2. Japanese Version (PILF-2468)

        a. Digital LPCM Stereo

b. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (SE Documentary is attached)

II. The Empire Strikes Back:

A. 1980 Dolby Stereo

1. Analog Versions

a. US CAV (1425-84)

b. Japan CLV (SF098-0013)

2. Digital Version

a. Japan CLV (SF098-1117)

b. US Time Compressed CLV (5652-80)

B. 1985 Stereo Home Video Mix *(Probably the Theatrical Mix, but I’ve included them for completeness)

1. Digital Versions

a. Japan Special Collection (SF148-1242)

b. Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc Version) (1425-85)

C. 1993 Stereo Remix

1. Digital Versions

a. Definitive Collection (1994 Japanese Version) (PILF-175702)

b. US “Faces” (8764-85)

D. 1993 Commentary Track (Mono)

1. Analog Source

a. Definitive Collection (US First Pressing) (0693-84-02)

E. 1997 Special Edition

1. US Version (410298502)

        a. Digital LPCM Stereo

b. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (Separate file for SE Trailer in Dolby 2.0)

2. Japanese Version (PILF-2469)

        a. Digital LPCM Stereo

b. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (SE Documentary is attached)

III. Return of the Jedi

A. 1983 Dolby Stereo

1. Analog Version

a. US CLV (1478-80) (1986 First Issue) *(Included only for completeness)

2. Digital Versions

a. Japan CLV (SF098-1100)

b. US CLV (1478-80) (1986 First Issue)

c. US CLV (1478-80) (1992 Reissue)

B. 1985 Stereo Home Video Mix *(Probably the Theatrical Mix, but I’ve included them for completeness)

1. Digital Versions

a. Japan Special Collection (SF148-1343)

b. Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc Version) (1478-85)

C. 1993 Stereo Remix

1. Digital Versions

a. Definitive Collection (1994 Japanese Version) (PILF-175703)

b. US “Faces” (8765-85)

D. 1993 Commentary Track (Mono)

1. Analog Source

a. Definitive Collection (US First/Second Pressing) (0693-84-03)

E. 1997 Special Edition

1. US Version (410298503)

        a. Digital LPCM Stereo

b. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (Separate file for SE Trailer & SE Featurette in Dolby 2.0)

2. Japanese Version (PILF-2470)

        a. Digital LPCM Stereo

b. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (SE Documentary is attached)

IV. The Phantom Menace

A. 1999 Theatrical Mixes (Japan) (PILF-2830)

1. Digital Stereo

2.  5.1 Dolby Digital

V. Others

A. From Star Wars to Jedi (Digital Dual-Mono Track) (Japan) (PILF-207004)

B. The Making of Star Wars (Digital Dual-Mono Track) (Japan) (PILF-2079)

C. SP FX: The Empire Strikes Back (Digital Dual-Mono Track) (Japan) (PILF-2080)

D. Classic Creatures: Return of the Jedi  (Digital Dual-Mono Track) (Japan) (PILF-2081)

E. Episode II Featurette (From the 2000 Japanese SE Release) (PILF-286001)

1. Digital Stereo

2. Dolby Digital *(5.1 encoded, but only stereo channels have audio)
 

Thanks for checking this out and enjoy!
 

I do have other versions not presented here, so if anyone has a request for another disc / version not uploaded in version 2.0, let me know and I may have the disc.

-schorman
 

–Version 1.0

I am posting this to myspleen as we speak:

This set includes raw rips from a comprehensive set of Star Wars Laser Discs, representing all possible mixes available for the Star Wars films released on this format.

All audio taken from digital sources is confirmed bit accurate (44.1kHz/16bit).  Each disc was ripped three times to ensure accuracy.

Dolby Digital tracks have also been included, where possible.  Using a Sony E9000ES receiver to demodulate the AC-3 RF track,the Dolby Digital tracks were also ripped three times using a Creative Audigy 2 Platinum ZS sound card set to bit accurate recording.  These wav files were then converted to standard ac3 files using Besplit.exe and error-checked using delaycut.exe (logs are included).  Please note that these files are presented untouched.  They are not synced to any video source and no re-encoding has taken place.  These are bit perfect copies of what is on the discs.  Each laser disc side is its own file, however trailers and special features have been excised and presented as separate tracks as they are presented in 2.0 stereo rather than 5.1.

Those tracks taken from analog laser discs have been recorded at 96kHz/32bit(float) from a Pioneer CLD-D704 into an E-MU 1616m digital audio interface.

Additionally, Audio Commentary taken from the 1993 Definitive Collection was recorded at 96/32(float),cleaned up using DeNoise, synced to the GOUT DVDs, resampled, and dithered to 48kHz/24bit mono.

Please note that, with the exception of the commentary tracks, none of these audio tracks have been synced to the GOUT or other SW dvd versions.  This is meant to act as a digital library for these laserdisc sources.

Laser Discs sets included:

I. Star Wars:

A. 1977 Dolby Stereo

1. Analog Versions

a. US CAV (1130-80)

b. Japan CLV (FY570-35MA)

2. Digital Version

a. Japan CLV (SF098-1103)

B. 1985 Stereo Home Video Mix

1. Digital Versions

a. Japan Special Collection (SF148-1196)

b. Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc Version) (1130-85)

C. 1993 Stereo Remix

1. Digital Versions

a. Definitive Collection (Japanese Version) (PILF-175701)

b. “Faces” (Japanese Collector’s Set) (PILF-207001)

D. 1993 Commentary Track (Mono)

1. Analog Source

a. Definitive Collection (US First Pressing) (0693-84-01)

E. 1997 Special Edition (US Version) (410298501)

1. Digital Stereo

2. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (Separate file for SE Trailer in Dolby 2.0)

F.  1977 Mono Mix (Belbucus’s restored Mono Mix) ***Bonus

II. The Empire Strikes Back:

A. 1980 Dolby Stereo

1. Analog Versions

a. US CAV (1425-84)

b. Japan CLV (SF098-0013)

2. Digital Version

a. Japan CLV (SF098-1117)

B. 1985 Stereo Home Video Mix *(Probably the Theatrical Mix, but I’ve included them for completeness)

1. Digital Versions

a. Japan Special Collection (SF148-1242)

b. Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc Version) (1425-85)

C. 1993 Stereo Remix

1. Digital Versions

a. Definitive Collection (Japanese Version) (PILF-175702)

b. “Faces” (Japanese Collector’s Set) (PILF-207002)

D. 1993 Commentary Track (Mono)

1. Analog Source

a. Definitive Collection (US First Pressing) (0693-84-02)

E. 1997 Special Edition (US Version) (410298502)

1. Digital Stereo

2. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (Separate file for SE Trailer in Dolby 2.0)

III. Return of the Jedi

A. 1983 Dolby Stereo

1. Analog Version

a. US CLV (1478-80)  *(Included only for completeness)

2. Digital Versions

a. Japan CLV (SF098-1100)

b. US CLV (1478-80)

B. 1985 Stereo Home Video Mix *(Probably the Theatrical Mix, but I’ve included them for completeness)

1. Digital Versions

a. Japan Special Collection (SF148-1343)

b. Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc Version) (1478-85)

C. 1993 Stereo Remix

1. Digital Versions

a. Definitive Collection (Japanese Version) (PILF-175703)

b. “Faces” (Japanese Collector’s Set) (PILF-207003)

D. 1993 Commentary Track (Mono)

1. Analog Source

a. Definitive Collection (US First Pressing) (0693-84-03)

E. 1997 Special Edition (US Version) (410298503)

1. Digital Stereo

2. 5.1 Dolby Digital  (Separate file for SE Trailer & SE Featurette in Dolby 2.0)

IV. The Phantom Menace

A. 1999 Theatrical Mixes (Japan) (PILF-2830)

1. Digital Stereo

2.  5.1 Dolby Digital

V. Attack of the Clones

A. Dolby 2.0 Mix (Edit from UK R2 DVD & Spanish Track from the US DVD) *Bonus

VI. From Star Wars to Jedi

A. Digital Dual-Mono Track (Japan) (PILF-207004)

I hope you have hard drive space 😃  Enjoy!

-schorman

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thorr said:

I happen to have one.  It is an RME Digi96/8 Pro.  It works with Windows XP.  I am not sure if it helps.  Let me know if I can be of assistance somehow.

Mike

Seems like you would want one with a db25 AES/EBU connection, similar to this: 

http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=16

Otherwise, you will need some kind of converter.

Looks like you'll need a sound card that can accept an AES/EBU digital signal.  Unfortunately, they look really expensive.

Yes, but again I cannot do it before mid August.

borris, I have those discs as well.  I've completed ripping them, but I wasn't able to finish syncing them before I left for vacation last week.  I am planning on releasing these when I get back home, which should be mid August.