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#608853
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Info Wanted: anyone done a TPM and AOTC colour correction?
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Jetrell Fo said:

Since I do not have the AOTC VHS and neither does anyone else it will be a bit difficult to verify.

I have the PAL VHS Full Screen AOTC tape. I can check it out and see if Anakin does not move his hand in the wedding scene (theatrical) or if he holds Padme's hand (known DVD version).

If I can record/digitise it, I will post some shots here.

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#608141
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OBITUARY - Star Wars Fullscreen/Pan and Scan versions. R.I.P.
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frank678 said:

Even between the tape transfers of the exact same telecines there seems to be slight variations. I compared my 1982 PAL UK tape (made in USA) to Russs15's 1982 PAL UK tape (made in Japan) and found very minute differences at the edges of the left and right of the frame here and there (though only the odd line or so). Russs15 also spotted that my tape had a different fox intro title card. (http://youtu.be/-HJyFadDs3M) Small differences but it does add to the imperfect charm of this format (or not if you hate it!)

My tape intro is here as a comparison.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfG8YF8PFY

It is hard to imagine that this is supposed to be from the same release.....

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#608022
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Info: 1983 UK 'TVS' Star Wars premiere - anybody still have a recording?
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AntcuFaalb said:

russs15 said:

I remember back in 2006 when I first read the post at the link above, my head exploded!!!

All this time later, I still have no idea what it means!!!

However, as long as other people understand it, that is all that matters.

(The following uses PAL for any figures and examples.)

TV displays work in an interesting way. They use interlacing to display frames.*

Instead of showing one frame 25 times per second, they show one-half of a frame 50 times per second. Each one-half of a frame is called a field.

Now, each field is composed of every other line in a frame. So the even field contains lines: 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, ... and the odd field contains lines: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, .... (This is the reason why separating fields results in a half-resolution image.)

There are two ways to order your fields for transmission and/or recording. You can send the even field first (a.k.a., top field first or TFF) or you can send the odd field first (a.k.a., bottom field first or BFF).

DVDs standardized on sending the even field first, so every DVD is TFF. However, TV (or just UK TV or maybe just ITV) broadcasts send the odd field first, so they're BFF.

Your DVD recorder probably assumes that its input is TFF, but your source is BFF, so your recording has the even field where the odd field should be and vice versa. This results in a combing pattern that appears to be very similar to the interlacing we all know and love.

Please let me know if you'd like me to explain further!

* The reason for using interlacing is to reduce the bandwidth needed for over-the-air transmission. Remember bunny ears?!

BANG!!! (head explodes for a second time.......)

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#607907
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Info: 1983 UK 'TVS' Star Wars premiere - anybody still have a recording?
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frank678 said:

no offense to russs15

none taken!

The quality and condition of the discs explains why they have not been let out in 7 years. In fact, it is only you guys and a few others asking various questions about that broadcast that has made it plainly obvious that we have a unique version on our hands.

Like others, I am hoping that one of the other recordings can be seen for comparison purposes and that the best quality possible can finally be seen by all.

However, I agree with the other comments and that the initial release should be a straight version of the VHS circa 1982.

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#606210
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Info: 1983 UK 'TVS' Star Wars premiere - anybody still have a recording?
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Up till recently, my vision was to simply see a straight off the tape version that mirrors what the tape would look like if played now. This is what many of us had as our Star Wars fix for many, many years and is what some people have nostalgia for.

However, seeing more and more unique differences from this tape makes me think that a further version with as much detail as possible squeezed out of it may also be appreciated.

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#605501
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Info: 1983 UK 'TVS' Star Wars premiere - anybody still have a recording?
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At over 30 years old, it is in a far better condition now than I am now compared to then.

I was a fresh faced 16 year old who had just started work and was hooked on The Young Ones which was on TV for the first time. Our VHS was rented from Visionhire and at that time, we only had one 1 hour tape!! We used to hire films from the local record store and we always had a housefull to watch them.

I remember this being shown but as we had no spare tape, I could not record the film. I had to wait a year or two for that.

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#605472
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Info: 1983 UK 'TVS' Star Wars premiere - anybody still have a recording?
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It could be anything from the original VHS, the VHS to DVD recorder process, the low quality setting on this particar version of the transfer, the DVD to AVI conversion process or any combination of the four things.

If the higher quality DVD file looks as bad - blame the VHS or DVD recorder!!! Either way, we are screwed.

Jonno really has his work cut out on this one.........

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#605247
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Info: 1983 UK 'TVS' Star Wars premiere - anybody still have a recording?
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msycamore said:

So, this was first broadcasted in UK October '82, did ITV continue to use this particular master several times in the 80's? I got very nostalgic watching this without really knowing why but then I realized that it simply must've been this same transfer I had recorded on a betamax tape in the 80's (unfortunately lost to time) it sounds silly yes, how the hell can you remember that? But this is Star Wars, that tape was basically burned into my memory, you cannot miss the greenish hues and film-like contrasty quality of this early pan & scan transfer.

This is pretty much the same for me. Of course, don't forget that this has the Monomix soundtrack with all the different audio dialogue differences that have now been so well documented.

To me, the retail releases of the 80's and 90's just were not right to my eyes and ears compared to what I was brought up with.

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#605227
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Info: 1983 UK 'TVS' Star Wars premiere - anybody still have a recording?
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I would just like to give a potted history of this release as well as to join a few dots on recent activity.

Firstly, see this thread regarding the origin of this tape.....

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1980s-ITV-Broadcast-of-Star-Wars/topic/4340/

Following my transfer of the tape and sending all elements back to the owner, the next person to see this work was Baxterianism in early 2009. The baton was passed to Jonno earlier this year and he is the lead on attempting to make a viable release of what I sent. The quality of the media I used back in 2006 was questionable (crappy DVD's) and I just hope there is enough material to make this work.

Before I sent this to Jonno, I managed to keep a few files which I have used these to answer lots of questions from numerous people and the conclusion is that this version of the film is simply so different to any other known version out there.

I now have the source material back and I have since shared the most compressed version as an avi with the three individuals who have shown the most interest in seeing the differences in this.

I for one am looking forward to seeing this given the treatment it deserves, albeit roughly 7 years late!!!

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#602368
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Print variations in '77 Star Wars
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msycamore said:

AntcuFaalb said:

Which composite is seen on the CED?

The "cloudy". Listed as NTSC home video release in the first post.

'82 CED / LD / HBO broadcast - time compressed

'82 Betamax / VHS

^ two different pan & scan transfers but same filmsource we're now discussing.

 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/HBO-Star-Wars-preservations/post/543307/#TopicPost543307

davisdvd.com said:


What You Didn't Know: Despite popular belief, this was not the only transfer made of Star Wars. At some point, a second fullscreen video transfer was created from a 16mm flat print source. Since an anamorphic (2.35:1) 35mm print had been reduced down to a flat (1.33:1) 16mm print, this 16mm source featured different pan & scan decisions made during the print reduction. One main difference in this transfer was that Luke's macrobinocular POV shot of the Banthas was squeezed to actually show the Tusken Raider walking to the side of the frame. This video transfer was only shown on HBO and was never offered for sale or rent [ Special Thanks to David C. Fein ]

When I know reading that ^ info again, doesn't the '82 UK ITV broadcast fit that description? Don't know how it handled that binocular shot though. Need to ask Russ... 

Surprise. Surprise............

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/OBITUARY-Star-Wars-Fullscreen-Pan-and-Scan-versions-RIP/post/565852/#TopicPost565852

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#599364
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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none said:

Flunk has an .avi for ESB and RotJ.

I never knew that!! Were they "700Mb fit-on-a-CD" quality as was very common in those days or were they a decent size and quality??

Really stupid question time. Does that mean that (potentially) the Lee Thorogood PAL ESB and ROTJ with a (simple?????) NTSC conversion is our sought after "frame accurate" standard to complement ANH?

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#599357
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The 1997 OT Special Edition Trilogy Preservation Standards Thread (* unfinished *)
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With ESB and ROTJ having different or extra scenes from the SE to the 2004 DVD (Emperor and Celebration scenes) and less DVB source material (only the TB and GKar), will a standard for these two films be a lot harder to achieve?

Knowing how things work around here, someone will no doubt have a cunning plan.........