russs15

You will not find many people around here who will disagree with you...

An original version - before all the 1997 Special Edition extra's - is already available on DVD as part of the Limited Edition releases of 2006 as a "bonus disc" to the versions you already have. These are are from perfect but better than the other DVD release.

The one I got the screenshots from was probably Anglia or Central but also with no ads.

TVS  ?? 

Is that one of the old ITV regions??

You will be lucky to get any UK recordings from back then. The only version I know of is discussed here  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1980s-ITV-Broadcast-of-Star-Wars/topic/4340/

I have posted a few screenshots in this thread  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/OBITUARY-Star-Wars-Fullscreen-Pan-and-Scan-versions-RIP/topic/13517/

The 1995 UK Fullscreen VHS tape certainly did. Check the last screenshot in post 1 here... http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/OBITUARY-Star-Wars-Fullscreen-Pan-and-Scan-versions-RIP/post/549821/#TopicPost549821

I finally have all three of these Full Screen releases after nearly 6 months of searching. Plenty were for sale but most US sellers just do not ship outside the US - even when they could make more money!!!!

I urge any collector to get these ASAP as they were never that popular when released and some of the prices are now very silly - ie $200+!!

Thanks to those who offered help via PM and in another thread...

Russ

TServo2049 said:

That's interesting - it looks like the other P&S video releases in terms of subtitles and lack of burn marks, but Russ' flyover comparison page shows that it has the '77 flyover and not the '81...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/gtf/swfull.html

Get the history of the tape here......  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/1980s-ITV-Broadcast-of-Star-Wars/topic/4340/

For info, the little wavy box in the top right hand corner of most of the pictures is in indicator we get over here in the UK to say that an ad break is due........

From what I have seen, it is like that in all releases in all formats and standards prior to the THX releases in 1994.

TServo2049 said:

Hey Russ, when you check again for the burn marks, can you also check and see how the Greedo subtitles were handled?

Can you make screenshots for the Tantive shake and the Greedo subtitles and put them here?

TServo2049 said:

Oh goody, now that you have the ITV recording back, I'd like to ask again - does that version have the burn marks during the Tantive camera shake?

On first look, they are not there. I will check a bit closer later on just to make sure.

SilverWook said:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Return-of-the-Jedi-DVD-2006-2-Disc-Set-Limited-Edition-star-wars-1983-oop-rare-/150762282458?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item231a21ddda

So much for ebay email alerts!!! I will be looking further into that one.

I will check out those burn marks later.....

Still not got and still looking. I have seen silly prices of over $200 but it ain't worth that. People just will not ship to the UK!!!!!

1982 LaserDisc Bantha-macrobinocular scene

1982 US VHS Bantha-macrobinocular scene

I can now finally complete my trilogy of pictures

This shot is from the early 80's ITV broadcast with the third version of the macrobinocular shot.

All I can assume from the (lack of) responses is that either nobody here has the Blu Ray discs, that they have them but are too scared to play the things or are equally scared to admit owning the things in the first place.

Personally, I have asked "Santa" for them for Christmas. "Santa" questioned why I wanted Star Wars again when I already had 50 or 60 different other versions in different formats and did not actually own a Blu Ray player!! I then asked for a Blu Ray player.........

Should "Santa" get me what I want, I will update this thread over the holidays with what the Audio Descriptive tracks are like - unless of course someone dare admit to owning the Blu Ray's first and beat me to it.

As this project is GOUT synced, you could always add that mix yourself.......

Still looking....

Following on from Post 38 above, I have attempted to post videos to properly explain my findings. I have never done this before so it it all goes wrong, I apologise.....

Star Wars - A New Hope 1982 PAL VHS intro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfG8YF8PFY

Star Wars - A New Hope 1987 PAL VHS intro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_lbqdwzw-4

Star Wars - A New Hope 1995 PAL VHS intro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPrQvtIyIE

Star Wars - Empire Strikes Back 1995 PAL VHS intro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLwdC7SHYjM

Star Wars - Return of the Jedi 1995 PAL VHS intro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1EI-cy_K50

Looking at that disk, it has a third audio which says it is Spanish but it sounds French to me............

Not aware of any other source for the Spanish except the actual NTSC GOUT DVD. Sorry.

skyjedi2005 said:

russs15 said:

 

I have found a few more "quirks" with various videos in my PAL VHS collection. Here are the old and new ones along with a few screenshots to show what I have found.

1 Wrong audio

The 1987, 1988 and 1989 Fullscreen versions of ANH do not have the Threepio tractor beam line so therefore do not have the recognised 1985 Ben Burtt remix sound track.

How can something be wrong audio if it is the 1977 strereo 35mm mix?

If anything its the 85 that is wrong audio

Good point!!!

I suppose the correct statement is that it is the incorrect audio for the release year of the VHS tape. For once, it looks like they did us a favour by extending the life of the 1977 mix.

The trouble is that after seeing Star Wars at the correct speed on numerous NTSC releases of all variants, ALL Star Wars in PAL sounds wrong as I really notice the 4% speed up!!!

I have found a few more "quirks" with various videos in my PAL VHS collection. Here are the old and new ones along with a few screenshots to show what I have found.

1 Wrong audio

The 1987, 1988 and 1989 Fullscreen versions of ANH do not have the Threepio tractor beam line so therefore do not have the recognised 1985 Ben Burtt remix sound track.

2 No Fox Fanfare

This has been known for a while but the 1995 THX "Last time only" versions of ESB and ROTJ (both Full and Widescreen) do not have the Fox Fanfare.

They go from this...

to this...

to this...

missing out this on ESB...

and this on ROTJ.

However, I have just realised that the 1987 re-release of ANH does something similar.

It goes from this...

to this...

missing out this.

Finally

3 Interupted Fox fanfare

On the initial 1982 Fullscreen ANH, as the Fox Fanfare is playing, an announcer talks over the Fanfare as follows  "20th Century Fox Video presents."

EDIT

4 Another odd thing I have found is that the 1995 ANH Fullscreen release Fox Logo has changed from the slanting 0 to the upright 0 like this...

The weird thing is that ALL the Widescreen PAL ANH releases also have the original slanting 0, even the 1995 THX Last time only and 1995 Executor box set. It just goes to show the inconsistency in the release of Star Wars films on video in the UK.

I realised last night that Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition has as track 6, a commentary for visually impaired (possibly using files from this thread)....

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-AVCHD-DVD9-and-NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-see-1st-post/topic/12713/

That alone is brilliant news but it gets better. Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized is GOUT synced. That means that the audio descriptive track can be very easily taken from that version and added to your favourite other GOUT synced project or even simply the GOUT itself. Personally I simply tried it out on the Dark Jedi V3. That way, I have the best video source available alongside the audio descriptive track for the times that I need it.

Are any of the other available audio descriptive tracks available as syncronised tracks to any of the retail or project DVD's out there??

EDIT  Am I right in thinking that the Blu Ray has audio description tracks for all six films??

I have tonight managed to rig up from a box of non burned out spare bits that I have begged, stolen and borrowed, something that resembles a working PC.

Is that nasty mark in the screenshot above unique to this version or is it a regular like the burn marks next to Threepio in the corridor earlier in the film??

I have a d2v file, the working avs file, all the vob files and numerous GOUT synced audio files sat on the HDD. Presuming that this "new" machine can cope, what exactly can be done next with this project?? Do you think the quality can be improved further??

Ideally I need everything in DVD format but other options might work for me too....

Yes. It is the DJ ANH V3 that I have been adding different audio to.

Initially I added the Belbucus mono vs stereo and his 70mm theatrical vs 93.

Tonight, I worked out how to demux the commentary for visually impaired from the Harmy Despecialized ANH (using tsDemux) and added that to the V3 as well.

It was Dark Jedi who talked me through this process in the first place only a few weeks ago so it is thanks to him that I feel confident to offer assistance now.........