rocknroll41

Palpatine! All aboard the hype train!

It’ll grow on me…

guess we dont need to ask ourselves this anymore…

Have had a change of heart about TPM recently, so my ranking is now slightly different.

This will be my last ranking for a while, I think:

1.Star Wars (1977)
2.The Empire Strikes Back
3.Return of the Jedi
4.The Force Awakens
5.The Fallen Knight (Last Jedi fan edit)
6.Solo
7.Revenge of the Sith
8.Attack of the Clones
9.The Phantom Menace
10.The Last Jedi (actual movie)
11.Rogue One

Also: For those who don’t know, Fallen Knight is a 95-minute Last Jedi fan edit that removes all of the comedy and sub-plots, focusing the story down almost entirely to just Luke, Rey, and Kylo Ren.

I think I finally know how to express through ranking how I really feel about TLJ. I know this is kinda cheating but…

1.Star Wars (1977)
2.The Empire Strikes Back
3.Return of the Jedi
4.The Force Awakens
5.The Fallen Knight (Last Jedi fan edit)
6.Solo
7.The Phantom Menace
8.Revenge of the Sith
9.Attack of the Clones
10.The Last Jedi (actual movie)
11.Rogue One

Link please?

rodneyfaile said:

Title today?

Yeah looks like we are getting the title today during Bob Iger’s Q1 shareholder call, which is taking place from 4:30-5:30pm EST. Lots of hints from credible sources are flying around all over twitter as we speak.

fmalover said:

NeverarGreat said:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen TLJ and TFA on opposite sides of a ranking before. I assume it comes down to director, but apart from that are there any reasons for the divide?

Because TFA was such a letdown.

Never before has a SW movie, or any movie for that matter, disappointed me as much as TFA has. It was such a carbon copy of the first one, and to make matters worse everybody else heaped all kinds of praise on it.

After that fiasco I fully expected TLJ to a rehash of TESB and had no expectations whatsoever in regards to the movie, however once a friend saw it on its opening day and texted me that it wasn’t like TESB I was suddenly pumped, and went in to the cinema and enjoyed every second of it and once the credits started rolling I left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.

Of course the excitement has died down a bit and there are some things I would change like Rose’s line about not fighting what we hate, saving what we love, which I find way too corny and remove Poe’s jests at the beginning of the movie, but while I’m not a studio executive I would have started the ST with TLJ or at least make Episode VII very similar to it. I know it’s petty, but I also felt satisfaction at seeing all those who loved TFA being let down by TLJ, and the fact that all those stupid fan theories were totally dismissed.

Basically TLJ was the SW movie I didn’t know I wanted and arrived when I least expected, and for that I feel grateful towards Brian Johnson.

You feel grateful towards the former lead vocalist of AC/DC for a starwars movie? 😉

In all seriousness; while I like TFA more than TLJ, it’s interesting to see someone feel the opposite way, and have valid reasons for it. Your perspective is a breath of fresh air!

SW (1977) - Hanill’s line delivery of wanting to go to the Tosche Station.
ESB (1980) - Leia kissing Luke.
RotJ (1983) - The Yub Nub song (one of the only changes in the SE that I like).
SW SE (1997) - Tie between added cgi in Mos Eisley and Greedo shooting first.
ESB SE (1997) - Luke yelling as he falls.
RotJ SE (1997) - The Jedi Rocks song.
TPM - Anakin accidentally activating the Naboo star fighter.
AotC - The droid factory sequence.
RotS - Tie between “so love has blinded you?” and Padmé giving birth.
SW DVD (2004) - The accidental green lightsaber.
ESB DVD (2004) - Vader saying “how is that possible?” when told that Luke is Anakin’s son.
RotJ DVD (2004) - Still Jedi Rocks.
SW Blu-Ray (2011) - Kenobi’s altered Krayt Dragon call.
ESB Blu-Ray (2011) - Still the altered Vader dialogue.
RotJ Blu-Ray (2011) - Tie between Sebulba cameo and Wickett blinking.
TFA - Finn drinking elephant water.
R1 - Cassian and Jyn’s speech as they’re heading into Scariff.
TLJ - Finn going “stop enjoying this!” while Rose is laughing.
Solo - L3’s introduction.

nl0428 said:

rocknroll41 said:

nl0428 said:

rocknroll41 said:

nl0428 said:

rocknroll41 said:

nl0428 said:

Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?

If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”

The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.

I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.

For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.

Okay. Sorry. I just misread you. I hope you’re just as excited for Episode IX as I am!

No worries! I have a funny way of talking, so I think it’s normal for people to misread my opinions.

Indeed I am excited for IX! Hopefully the rumor is true that the title will be revealed today.

Today!? No way! I never heard this rumor!

I heard a rumor that it would be today on The Star Wars Show but I don’t know. It might be B.S.

Mine changes all the time but currently it’s:

1.Star Wars (1977)
2.The Empire Strikes Back
3.Return of the Jedi
4.The Force Awakens
5.Solo
6.The Last Jedi (though I prefer the Fallen Knight fan edit)
7.Rogue One
8.The Phantom Menace
9.Revenge of the Sith
10.Attack of the Clones
11.The Clone Wars

nl0428 said:

rocknroll41 said:

nl0428 said:

rocknroll41 said:

nl0428 said:

Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?

If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”

The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.

I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.

For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.

Okay. Sorry. I just misread you. I hope you’re just as excited for Episode IX as I am!

No worries! I have a funny way of talking, so I think it’s normal for people to misread my opinions.

Indeed I am excited for IX! Hopefully the rumor is true that the title will be revealed today.

nl0428 said:

rocknroll41 said:

nl0428 said:

Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?

If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”

The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.

I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.

For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.

DominicCobb said:

rocknroll41 said:

TLDR Version: Gen X’ers and Millennials will eventually phase out, and with them, so will a lot of the hate for the PT and ST, respectively.

I agree (we had this argument recently and I took some shit for saying this, but it makes sense).

One thing that’s interesting to note (interpret this how you will)…

Adjusted Box Office for Star Wars films:

1. Star Wars
2. The Force Awakens
3. Empire Strikes Back
4. Return of the Jedi
5. The Phantom Menace
6. The Last Jedi
7. Rogue One
8. Revenge of the Sith
9. Attack of the Clones
10. Solo

Glad to see someone gets where I’m coming from!

In regards to those box office rankings, all of them pretty much make sense to me. It’ll be interesting to see where IX ends up on that list. I would hope it could at least make it into the Top 5, but we’ll see.

nl0428 said:

Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?

Well, they say ESB and RotJ were both divisive upon initial release, for different reasons, but are now just as loved as the original film (ESB much more so, for many).

The PT was in some ways a reversal; where people said they liked each film upon initial release, but then admitted shortly after that they were “blinded by the hype.” Then, over the course of a decade-and-a-half, those films went on to be universally disdained by the general public, along with a very vocal segment of the fanbase (that were mostly Generation X’ers that grew up with the OT). Now that Millennials are older and have more of a voice on the Internet, however, the PT is beginning to now develop more of a positive reputation, since many Millennials grew up with the PT and consider it to be “their Star Wars.”

Also, both Gen X’ers and Millennials now have the Disney films to compare them to, which aren’t necessarily “better” or “worse.” They just have “opposite problems,” so to speak. For instance, the PT is often criticized for being too different, too slow, too exposition-y, too much of one man’s unfiltered vision, etc. Whereas the Disney films are often criticized for being too similar, too fast, too “empty” (not enough exposition to explain the worldbuilding), too much of a “committee think tank” feel with no clear auteur leading the vision, etc. It’s all a matter of preference, really.

If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”

I think for current generations, the ST’s longterm legacy will depend on how IX turns out. They could try to win back the Gen X’er’s by tying it full circle to the OT, or they could try to win over Millennials by tying it full circle to the PT somehow, or they could try as hard as they can to make everyone happy by tying it all full circle into both of the old eras in different literal and figurative ways. If they manage to pull something like this off, it might make most current haters feel that maybe the ST was worth it in the end after all. We’ll see, I guess.

…Or, if they really wanted to be bold, they can just forget about everything we once knew and fully embrace the idea of doing something completely different, but this would probably mostly only resonate with kids growing up on Star Wars right now and onward, and given the current state of the fandom, I don’t think that’s what Disney wants to do right now. Not anymore, at least. Maybe they were leaning that way back when Trevorrow was at the helm, but certainly not now.

With that being said, I think future films like the D&D series and the Johnson trilogy will look to aim more towards contemporary and future audiences (Gen Z and beyond). That same audience probably enjoys the ST also cause they’re growing up now on it, so that’s “their Star Wars.” So when they take over from Millennials in a decade or so as the primary voice of the Internet, the ST will develop a “retrospective love” type of relationship, much like the PT is now.

TLDR Version: Gen X’ers and Millennials will eventually phase out, and with them, so will a lot of the hate for the PT and ST, respectively.

Funny thing I just realized is that one time I randomly stumbled upon one of his chat streams, and even commented on it, and it didn’t hit me until now that he was accepting donations during the stream, which means he is, in a sense, profiting from Lucasfilm content since that stream was being done specifically to promote the fan edit… That’s pretty messed up when you think about it.

Oh, well. I watched the trailer for his edit after that stream and didn’t really like what I was looking at. I’m one of the fans who enjoyed the idea of a broken Luke who has to learn to regain his self-determination, and I also liked the force projection at the end of the film and what that symbolized for his arc. Seems like Ortega is eliminating both of those aspects, so it’s a hard pass on his edit for me. The Fallen Knight is still my favorite TLJ edit among the ones I’ve managed to see thus far.

ChainsawAsh said:

I’d recommend checking out smudger9’s movie edits of The Clone Wars series if the itch to give the series another shot ever strikes.

I’ve never heard of that. Will check it out. Thanks!

1.Tales of the Jedi (comic series)
2.Knights of the Old Republic (video game)
3.Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords (video game)
4.The Phantom Menace (reluctantly)
5.Attack of the Clones (VERY reluctantly)
6.Revenge of the Sith (reluctantly)
7.The Droids Cartoon (silly and nonsensical, but I’m nostalgic for it)
8.Solo: A Star Wars Story (film)
9.Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (film)
10.STAR WARS (despecialized edition)
11.The Holiday Special (cartoon segment only)
12.The Empire Strikes Back (despecialized edition)
13.Return of the Jedi (despecialized edition)
14.The Force Awakens (film)
15.The Fallen Knight (fan edit of The Last Jedi)
16.Episode IX (hopefully…)

I’ve tried watching the Ewoks show, both Clone Wars shows, and the Rebels show… None of it is for me, and I don’t think the Resistance show is for me either, judging by the trailers of it that I’ve seen.

Also tried getting into other comic runs outside of TotJ… Haven’t found anything that has really tickled my fancy as of yet. Dawn of the Jedi was a cool concept, but the execution was just plain weird imo.

Never played any of the games besides the KotOR ones.

Never read any of the books in either the old EU (aka Legends) or the new EU, but I’m planning to start digging into both groups soon (I’ve become more of a reader recently, and now want to mix my love of Star Wars into my new reading hobby).

So the other day I got bored and started thinking about what this supposed “half reboot, half confusion” movie for the Terminator franchise could possibly be like. I jotted down some ideas and because I don’t really know where else to put them, I figured I could share them here.

So without further ado, for those who give a shit, here’s my pointless fan-outline for Terminator 6:

Its the 1950s. Picture like a Grease/ Happy Days type of setting. We see a bunch of teenagers in leather jackets with DA haircuts drinking egg creams and eating burgers while listening to some Elvis on a jukebox at a restaurant. Everyone is having a good time. We start to focus in on this one particular couple, Sean and Jane. Since they’re with all their friends, they’re acting like everything is fine, but we as the audience can tell that something is not quite right.

Later on, the two of them are alone at a drive-in, and we find out that the reason they’re not quite getting along these days is cause one wants to go steady and the other doesn’t (yeah, I’m really pushing the 1950s angle here). Suddenly (you guessed it!), a terminator shows up. It’s not old Arnold or cgi young Arnold. It’s just a new terminator that we’ve never seen before. Let’s just say he’s the T-4000 (they’re running out of numbers for these things). He reeks havoc at the drive-in and chases Sean and Jane into the woods (think like a really classic horror-style sorta sequence). Just when it looks like they’re fucked, a reprogrammed terminator shows up. Again, it’s not Arnold. I imagine him being pretty similar to that Marcus character from Terminator Salvation. But because I don’t want to make direct ties to that film, lets just say this guy is named Mark. Anyway, he saves the young couple and gets them away from the T-4000 and to some place where they’re safe for the time being. There, he explains (not in these exact words):

“your future daughter will have a son who becomes the messiah of the post-apocalyptic world. because of that, this thing called skynet has sent terminators back in time to try to kill both your daughter as well as her son. None of their attempts at this have worked, though, so now they’ve decided to backtrack a step and try to kill the two of you instead.”

The bulk of the film then progresses pretty similarly to the original terminator film, with Sean and Jane growing closer together. Soon enough, they have sex.

Eventually, Mark manages to blow the T-4000 to pieces (some fragments still remain scattered around), but in order to pull this off he is forced to sacrifice himself in a way where he is destroyed as well (but again, fragments of him still remain).

Not too long after, Sean and Jane have decided to try to “fight fire with fire” in order to stop skynet once and for all. By having previously gotten information from Mark before he died, they come up with a plan. Jane breaks into the home of the couple who will go on to give birth to Miles Dyson, the founder of Skynet, while Sean breaks into the home of the ancestor of the person who will someday invent time travel (just cause its the 1950s, lets say this person is named Doc Brown).

Just like how Sarah Connor has a gun pointed to a defenseless Miles in T2, both Jane and Sean have guns pointed at their defenseless targets. Furthermore, just like Sarah did in T2, Jane comes to her senses and realizes what she is doing is morally wrong, so she lowers her gun and lets the Dysons live…Sean, on the other hand, pulls the trigger. He kills the ancestor of whoever will invent time travel, thus preventing all of the other movies in the series from ever being able to happen.

The Dysons agree to let Jane go without pressing any charges. Sean, on the other hand, is jailed for life. Some time later, Jane finds out she’s pregnant with his baby (remember, they fucked earlier). So Sarah and John Conor are both still born, and skynet still happens cause Jane let the Dysons live, but in this version of the cycle, time travel doesn’t exist, so skynet no longer has their “time travel plan b” thing to fall back on once John defeats them and wins the war in the future. So now not only is the franchise totally reset, but its locked in a fixated timeline so the filmmakers can no longer use time travel as a stupid retcon in future films.

Wannabe Scholar said:

rocknroll41 said:

Wannabe Scholar said:

Hello everyone I’ve been having a bit of trouble with my TFA rewrite for sometime. I do have an idea as to how the story should take place: A single change in history changes the positions of two SW characters (and more), as young Rey, a student of the Knights of Ren, is sent out to find Kylo Ren, who is going by the name “Jacen.” Rey, captured by Jacen and Finn (who just deserted), is strolled along for the ride and slowly begins accept the Jedi way, after meeting some Jedi (who are alive and well) on Hosnian Prime. Of course, Han would serve as the mentor role and be killed off in this story (not sure if it’ll be as obvious as in the actual TFA, but hey).

One problem is regarding one of my ideas for this rewrite. That being: kill off every OT core cast member throughout my TFA and the installments afterwards (which are more based on specualation than the actual upcoming films). Because of Carrie Fisher’s passing, I thought it would be in bad taste to do kill her off (which would be passing in her sleep after being fired upon by Star Destroyers).

The other problem is, since I put the story off, I have been questioning the roles of Rey and Kylo Ren. Originally, I wanted Rey to be with the bad guys, so we can get a better insight into them. At the same time, I realized that film TFA Rey was meant to be someone whom the audience can relate to the best (what with Rey nostalgic for the Rebel vs Empire time and whatnot, as shown with her litte “memorabilia”). My version of Rey doesn’t match that so much, but I found her so interesting to write about (or jot notes, anyway).

If you guys have any advice/thoughts that could help, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

Yeah in one of my older TFA rewrites I combined Rey and Finn into one character and had her start off as a stormtrooper in training on a small First Order base off on a desert planet. I figured if you show her struggling to get along with everyone else there and questioning her place in the world, so to speak, you can have her start out with the bad guys yet still be relatable to the audience.

That is true, but another problem I had was trying to tie the search of the First Jedi Temple into the plot because SPOILERS Luke is dead before the story even starts SPOILERS. Then, there’s the Skywalker saber, since I was giving it a bigger role in the search since the piece of the special map was hidden in it (a la Brackett’s old draft of ESB). Oh well. I’ll see what I can do…

Best of luck! Having Luke be dead even before the beginning is certainly a bold choice.

Wannabe Scholar said:

Hello everyone I’ve been having a bit of trouble with my TFA rewrite for sometime. I do have an idea as to how the story should take place: A single change in history changes the positions of two SW characters (and more), as young Rey, a student of the Knights of Ren, is sent out to find Kylo Ren, who is going by the name “Jacen.” Rey, captured by Jacen and Finn (who just deserted), is strolled along for the ride and slowly begins accept the Jedi way, after meeting some Jedi (who are alive and well) on Hosnian Prime. Of course, Han would serve as the mentor role and be killed off in this story (not sure if it’ll be as obvious as in the actual TFA, but hey).

One problem is regarding one of my ideas for this rewrite. That being: kill off every OT core cast member throughout my TFA and the installments afterwards (which are more based on specualation than the actual upcoming films). Because of Carrie Fisher’s passing, I thought it would be in bad taste to do kill her off (which would be passing in her sleep after being fired upon by Star Destroyers).

The other problem is, since I put the story off, I have been questioning the roles of Rey and Kylo Ren. Originally, I wanted Rey to be with the bad guys, so we can get a better insight into them. At the same time, I realized that film TFA Rey was meant to be someone whom the audience can relate to the best (what with Rey nostalgic for the Rebel vs Empire time and whatnot, as shown with her litte “memorabilia”). My version of Rey doesn’t match that so much, but I found her so interesting to write about (or jot notes, anyway).

If you guys have any advice/thoughts that could help, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

Yeah in one of my older TFA rewrites I combined Rey and Finn into one character and had her start off as a stormtrooper in training on a small First Order base off on a desert planet. I figured if you show her struggling to get along with everyone else there and questioning her place in the world, so to speak, you can have her start out with the bad guys yet still be relatable to the audience.

I’ve also been working on a Star Wars rewrite for several months now and have tons of notes of various different versions that have accumulated over that amount of time. No matter how much I tweak my story, I still can’t seem to be completely satisfied (tho I do feel much closer to a solid outline now than I did just a few short months ago).

My main issue pertains to trying to find the right balance of “energy” and exposition. My act 1 in all of my outlines is usually full of energy and has a swift pace, but then my act 2 moves rather slowly and the action aspect is reduced due to the need to throw in a bunch of exposition. My act 2 is also usually a little too dark in my outlines.

Thankfully tho, I’ve been coming up with ways around these hurdles over just the last few days alone.

darklordoftech said:

1. Yes. There was no need to copy Tatooine.

2. Sounds cool.

3. See above.

4. Vader’s helmet as the mcguffin would be cool, but no thanks to Luke showing up earlier.

5. Not sure how that would fit into the story, but it’s worth keeping in mind if they ever revisit the KOTOR era.

6. Sounds cool.

7. NOOOOOOO!!! TFA had enough rehasing as it is.

8. I could go either way on this idea.

9. What does the drill do?

10. Who/what is being rescued?

I like the idea of Starkiller Base being a hoax if it’s a thing at all.

4.why “no” to luke showing up earlier? If it’s cause of too many characters, I plan to cut out Maz, Phasma, bb8, and Poe all from my rewrite.

5.youre right, this is better for more of a Kotor thing.

7.what would you do for the villain instead then? Technically the “failed father and son relationship” thing was a rehash too.

9. Instead of a drill I guess it would be a laser that slowly burns through the earth until it reaches the planet core, which then triggers the destruction of said planet. So it still poses as a similar threat to Death Star, but is visually different and makes more sense since its small, and therefore something that a supposedly small org like the First Order could make.

10. Han and Chewy would be rescuing the girl as she’s retrieving the mcguffin maybe? Cause they’re there to try to get the same thing? And that’s how they cross paths? Or maybe the girl agreed to go try to get the mcguffin for them but then got into trouble, hence the rescue?

What do you mean by “hoax”?

darklordoftech said:

rocknroll41 said:

you can’t really have the main base of the villains be the fire-and-ice world and Dantooine at the same time. U kinda have to pick one or the other.

Why? We don’t know what the canonical geography of Dantooine is.

Good point. For some reason I thought KotOR was still canon.

So where should Leia and her gang be?

darklordoftech said:

Definitely 3. We could use a multi-biome planet and the fire-and-ice theme fits the lightsabers of Finn/Rey and Kylo. I also like the idea that the Starkiller Base planet is Dantooine.

I like both of those ideas too, but you can’t really have the main base of the villains be the fire-and-ice world and Dantooine at the same time. U kinda have to pick one or the other. I think Dantooine serves better as some kind of base for the heroes, actually.