Title is starting to grow on me a lot, now that I’ve had a few days to get used to it!
Does anyone know why they are refining the Bad Batch arc for this new season, but not the Crystal Crisis arc? Seems weird that they would finish up one but leave the other unfinished.
Also, it’s interesting that these 12 new episodes are being labeled as Season 6, instead of Season 7. I’m assuming that means they’ll be bundled alongside The Lost Missions… Still a little weird, though.
Lastly, does anyone know what arcs are still missing besides these 12 episodes, The Lost Missions, Crystal Crisis, Son of Dathomir, and Dark Disciple?
This looks amazing! Loved seeing the dusty Jawas! Really drives home the fact that pretty much every aspect of this show is “original trilogy but gritty.” Can’t wait!
Also, Pascal seems to be doing great in the lead role, based on the one scene we’ve seen so far. He delivered the line “I like those odds” perfectly.
It annoys me how they felt the need to add the “A New Hope” subtitle in there instead of just letting it be called “Star Wars (1977),” but I suppose they had no other choice.
For what it’s worth, Kathy stated in an interview today that bringing back Palpatine was in the gameplan since before Force Awakens, and Ian McDiarmid has secretly known about this the whole time (so since 2012 or 2013, I assume).
I think at this point I can definitely say that my Top 6 are “locked in place” (until The Rise of Skywalker, of course):
1.Star Wars (1977)
2.The Empire Strikes Back
3.Return of the Jedi
4.The Force Awakens
5.Solo
6.Revenge of the Sith
And Rogue One is pretty much locked as my least favorite of them all.
Where it gets tricky is with The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, and The Last Jedi. At the moment, those all keep flip-flopping amongst each other for me. I’ll need to see each one again to really be sure how I feel about them all, I suppose. Been busy lately, so unsure when I’ll have time for that.
Also, I imagine that I will feel very differently about The Last Jedi once I see The Rise of Skywalker.
Really happy to hear that all of the movies will be there within the first year!
Palpatine! All aboard the hype train!
It’ll grow on me…
guess we dont need to ask ourselves this anymore…
Have had a change of heart about TPM recently, so my ranking is now slightly different.
This will be my last ranking for a while, I think:
1.Star Wars (1977)
2.The Empire Strikes Back
3.Return of the Jedi
4.The Force Awakens
5.The Fallen Knight (Last Jedi fan edit)
6.Solo
7.Revenge of the Sith
8.Attack of the Clones
9.The Phantom Menace
10.The Last Jedi (actual movie)
11.Rogue One
Also: For those who don’t know, Fallen Knight is a 95-minute Last Jedi fan edit that removes all of the comedy and sub-plots, focusing the story down almost entirely to just Luke, Rey, and Kylo Ren.
I think I finally know how to express through ranking how I really feel about TLJ. I know this is kinda cheating but…
1.Star Wars (1977)
2.The Empire Strikes Back
3.Return of the Jedi
4.The Force Awakens
5.The Fallen Knight (Last Jedi fan edit)
6.Solo
7.The Phantom Menace
8.Revenge of the Sith
9.Attack of the Clones
10.The Last Jedi (actual movie)
11.Rogue One
Link please?
Title today?
Yeah looks like we are getting the title today during Bob Iger’s Q1 shareholder call, which is taking place from 4:30-5:30pm EST. Lots of hints from credible sources are flying around all over twitter as we speak.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen TLJ and TFA on opposite sides of a ranking before. I assume it comes down to director, but apart from that are there any reasons for the divide?
Because TFA was such a letdown.
Never before has a SW movie, or any movie for that matter, disappointed me as much as TFA has. It was such a carbon copy of the first one, and to make matters worse everybody else heaped all kinds of praise on it.
After that fiasco I fully expected TLJ to a rehash of TESB and had no expectations whatsoever in regards to the movie, however once a friend saw it on its opening day and texted me that it wasn’t like TESB I was suddenly pumped, and went in to the cinema and enjoyed every second of it and once the credits started rolling I left the cinema with a sense of euphoria.
Of course the excitement has died down a bit and there are some things I would change like Rose’s line about not fighting what we hate, saving what we love, which I find way too corny and remove Poe’s jests at the beginning of the movie, but while I’m not a studio executive I would have started the ST with TLJ or at least make Episode VII very similar to it. I know it’s petty, but I also felt satisfaction at seeing all those who loved TFA being let down by TLJ, and the fact that all those stupid fan theories were totally dismissed.
Basically TLJ was the SW movie I didn’t know I wanted and arrived when I least expected, and for that I feel grateful towards Brian Johnson.
You feel grateful towards the former lead vocalist of AC/DC for a starwars movie? 😉
In all seriousness; while I like TFA more than TLJ, it’s interesting to see someone feel the opposite way, and have valid reasons for it. Your perspective is a breath of fresh air!
SW (1977) - Hanill’s line delivery of wanting to go to the Tosche Station.
ESB (1980) - Leia kissing Luke.
RotJ (1983) - The Yub Nub song (one of the only changes in the SE that I like).
SW SE (1997) - Tie between added cgi in Mos Eisley and Greedo shooting first.
ESB SE (1997) - Luke yelling as he falls.
RotJ SE (1997) - The Jedi Rocks song.
TPM - Anakin accidentally activating the Naboo star fighter.
AotC - The droid factory sequence.
RotS - Tie between “so love has blinded you?” and Padmé giving birth.
SW DVD (2004) - The accidental green lightsaber.
ESB DVD (2004) - Vader saying “how is that possible?” when told that Luke is Anakin’s son.
RotJ DVD (2004) - Still Jedi Rocks.
SW Blu-Ray (2011) - Kenobi’s altered Krayt Dragon call.
ESB Blu-Ray (2011) - Still the altered Vader dialogue.
RotJ Blu-Ray (2011) - Tie between Sebulba cameo and Wickett blinking.
TFA - Finn drinking elephant water.
R1 - Cassian and Jyn’s speech as they’re heading into Scariff.
TLJ - Finn going “stop enjoying this!” while Rose is laughing.
Solo - L3’s introduction.
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”
The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.
I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.
For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.
Okay. Sorry. I just misread you. I hope you’re just as excited for Episode IX as I am!
No worries! I have a funny way of talking, so I think it’s normal for people to misread my opinions.
Indeed I am excited for IX! Hopefully the rumor is true that the title will be revealed today.
Today!? No way! I never heard this rumor!
I heard a rumor that it would be today on The Star Wars Show but I don’t know. It might be B.S.
Mine changes all the time but currently it’s:
1.Star Wars (1977)
2.The Empire Strikes Back
3.Return of the Jedi
4.The Force Awakens
5.Solo
6.The Last Jedi (though I prefer the Fallen Knight fan edit)
7.Rogue One
8.The Phantom Menace
9.Revenge of the Sith
10.Attack of the Clones
11.The Clone Wars
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”
The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.
I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.
For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.
Okay. Sorry. I just misread you. I hope you’re just as excited for Episode IX as I am!
No worries! I have a funny way of talking, so I think it’s normal for people to misread my opinions.
Indeed I am excited for IX! Hopefully the rumor is true that the title will be revealed today.
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”
The Last Jedi didn’t throw away everything The Force Awakens set up, it was continuing the story threads that were set up in VII. Many think that there isn’t a plan for the sequel trilogy, which I do not believe is true. I believe there is a plan for the trilogy. All Rian Johnson did was continue the story threads that J.J. Abrams set up, the only thing that J.J. would’ve done differently would probably be the plot, such as possibly omitting Canto Bight if he directed The Last Jedi. Adam Driver came out recently and said that he knew where Kylo Ren’s fate would end up in IX when he signed on to the trilogy. Even Daisy Ridley said that the revelation of Rey’s parents in The Last Jedi is what she was told when she signed on to the trilogy. The Last Jedi is very much what The Empire Strikes Back similarly. It was a roller coaster of twists and turns on a hair pulling adventure. It was bold and took risks like never before. I remember my jaw dropping when Kylo Ten killed Snoke. Inside, I almost wanted to stand up and cheer when the familiar John Williams music played as Rey and Ben looked at one another after Snoke’s death. Even the audience I saw the film with applauded when it was revealed Luke was projecting himself through the Force. It may have polarized some audiences with its direction, but I’d recommend leaving your expectations at the door when going to see the next installment of the saga. That way, you will not be disappointed. Just something I think fans should do when Episode IX comes out. Trust me, it’s for the best.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. TFA was designed to be a safe bet, so it’s sequel, regardless of who directed it or wrote, would, by nature, have to be the one to turn everything upside down/ spin everything on it’s head, no matter what. Yes, I am aware that threads like Kylo killing Snoke one movie ahead of schedule and Rey being a nobody were already in place as TFA was being developed. Yes, I’m aware JJ or whoever would have followed through with those “twists” in the second movie regardless. All I was saying is that the second movie in the ST would have to be the one to “burn everything down” no matter what, so that was always going to piss a certain group of both Gen X’ers as well as Millennials off, for different reasons.
I did leave my expectations at the door for TLJ, and ended up really enjoying it (for the most part). I was also in awe at the throne room sequence, as well as Luke’s projection reveal. I thought those were both the right screenwriting choices for those moments, and yes, my audience applauded during both scenes as well. When discussing the divisive reaction of the film, I’m not referring to my own personal feelings about TLJ, I’m just speaking on behalf of the very loud and vocal group of people who DID dislike it, so that all sides of the argument are considered in my thesis.
For what it’s worth, I do think TLJ’s “shake up” nature was the plan all along, and I think IX will bring everything full circle and restore us all to a sense of familiarity once again. I agree that, the more people learn to leave personal expectations at the door, the better these movies will feel. Regardless of that, I think IX will be really good. It’ll probably be received slightly better than TLJ, at least, and win back at least a little bit of the jaded part of the fandom, to make them feel like the ST was worth it all along. That’s all just a gut assumption on my part, though. We’ll see what really happens.
TLDR Version: Gen X’ers and Millennials will eventually phase out, and with them, so will a lot of the hate for the PT and ST, respectively.
I agree (we had this argument recently and I took some shit for saying this, but it makes sense).
One thing that’s interesting to note (interpret this how you will)…
Adjusted Box Office for Star Wars films:
- Star Wars
- The Force Awakens
- Empire Strikes Back
- Return of the Jedi
- The Phantom Menace
- The Last Jedi
- Rogue One
- Revenge of the Sith
- Attack of the Clones
- Solo
Glad to see someone gets where I’m coming from!
In regards to those box office rankings, all of them pretty much make sense to me. It’ll be interesting to see where IX ends up on that list. I would hope it could at least make it into the Top 5, but we’ll see.
Does anyone here think that either one of these two things will happen in the next 10-30 years. Will the sequel trilogy receive more love in the next 10-30 years by the fans, or be more divisive, kind of like the prequels?
Well, they say ESB and RotJ were both divisive upon initial release, for different reasons, but are now just as loved as the original film (ESB much more so, for many).
The PT was in some ways a reversal; where people said they liked each film upon initial release, but then admitted shortly after that they were “blinded by the hype.” Then, over the course of a decade-and-a-half, those films went on to be universally disdained by the general public, along with a very vocal segment of the fanbase (that were mostly Generation X’ers that grew up with the OT). Now that Millennials are older and have more of a voice on the Internet, however, the PT is beginning to now develop more of a positive reputation, since many Millennials grew up with the PT and consider it to be “their Star Wars.”
Also, both Gen X’ers and Millennials now have the Disney films to compare them to, which aren’t necessarily “better” or “worse.” They just have “opposite problems,” so to speak. For instance, the PT is often criticized for being too different, too slow, too exposition-y, too much of one man’s unfiltered vision, etc. Whereas the Disney films are often criticized for being too similar, too fast, too “empty” (not enough exposition to explain the worldbuilding), too much of a “committee think tank” feel with no clear auteur leading the vision, etc. It’s all a matter of preference, really.
If we wanna break it down even more, Gen X’ers seem to forgive TFA’s derivative-ness more so than Millennials (from what I can tell). TLJ couldn’t “play it safe” again and couldn’t really integrate more of that PT feel for the Millennials since it had to work off of TFA, which established a very OT-like feel. So the only thing really left for the movie to do was burn it all down both literally (Resistance reduced to just a dozen people on the Falcon, “big bad” killed off one movie ahead of schedule, etc.) as well as figuratively (the tree burning, “let the past die,” etc.). So, unless you’re into deconstructionism, you’re probably not gonna be into TLJ, especially if you’re a Gen X’er who’s super-sensitive about “their Star Wars.”
I think for current generations, the ST’s longterm legacy will depend on how IX turns out. They could try to win back the Gen X’er’s by tying it full circle to the OT, or they could try to win over Millennials by tying it full circle to the PT somehow, or they could try as hard as they can to make everyone happy by tying it all full circle into both of the old eras in different literal and figurative ways. If they manage to pull something like this off, it might make most current haters feel that maybe the ST was worth it in the end after all. We’ll see, I guess.
…Or, if they really wanted to be bold, they can just forget about everything we once knew and fully embrace the idea of doing something completely different, but this would probably mostly only resonate with kids growing up on Star Wars right now and onward, and given the current state of the fandom, I don’t think that’s what Disney wants to do right now. Not anymore, at least. Maybe they were leaning that way back when Trevorrow was at the helm, but certainly not now.
With that being said, I think future films like the D&D series and the Johnson trilogy will look to aim more towards contemporary and future audiences (Gen Z and beyond). That same audience probably enjoys the ST also cause they’re growing up now on it, so that’s “their Star Wars.” So when they take over from Millennials in a decade or so as the primary voice of the Internet, the ST will develop a “retrospective love” type of relationship, much like the PT is now.
TLDR Version: Gen X’ers and Millennials will eventually phase out, and with them, so will a lot of the hate for the PT and ST, respectively.
Funny thing I just realized is that one time I randomly stumbled upon one of his chat streams, and even commented on it, and it didn’t hit me until now that he was accepting donations during the stream, which means he is, in a sense, profiting from Lucasfilm content since that stream was being done specifically to promote the fan edit… That’s pretty messed up when you think about it.
Oh, well. I watched the trailer for his edit after that stream and didn’t really like what I was looking at. I’m one of the fans who enjoyed the idea of a broken Luke who has to learn to regain his self-determination, and I also liked the force projection at the end of the film and what that symbolized for his arc. Seems like Ortega is eliminating both of those aspects, so it’s a hard pass on his edit for me. The Fallen Knight is still my favorite TLJ edit among the ones I’ve managed to see thus far.
I’d recommend checking out smudger9’s movie edits of The Clone Wars series if the itch to give the series another shot ever strikes.
I’ve never heard of that. Will check it out. Thanks!
1.Tales of the Jedi (comic series)
2.Knights of the Old Republic (video game)
3.Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords (video game)
4.The Phantom Menace (reluctantly)
5.Attack of the Clones (VERY reluctantly)
6.Revenge of the Sith (reluctantly)
7.The Droids Cartoon (silly and nonsensical, but I’m nostalgic for it)
8.Solo: A Star Wars Story (film)
9.Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (film)
10.STAR WARS (despecialized edition)
11.The Holiday Special (cartoon segment only)
12.The Empire Strikes Back (despecialized edition)
13.Return of the Jedi (despecialized edition)
14.The Force Awakens (film)
15.The Fallen Knight (fan edit of The Last Jedi)
16.Episode IX (hopefully…)
I’ve tried watching the Ewoks show, both Clone Wars shows, and the Rebels show… None of it is for me, and I don’t think the Resistance show is for me either, judging by the trailers of it that I’ve seen.
Also tried getting into other comic runs outside of TotJ… Haven’t found anything that has really tickled my fancy as of yet. Dawn of the Jedi was a cool concept, but the execution was just plain weird imo.
Never played any of the games besides the KotOR ones.
Never read any of the books in either the old EU (aka Legends) or the new EU, but I’m planning to start digging into both groups soon (I’ve become more of a reader recently, and now want to mix my love of Star Wars into my new reading hobby).