rocknroll41

I finally read the whole Duel of the Fates draft. I hate it even more now. A bunch of ideas that are good in isolation, but don’t really fit together at all. Too many lore-breaking contradictions, no central theme, too much expository dialogue… I can go on, but you get the point.

Despite its shortcomings, I’m glad we got Rise of Skywalker instead.

i will say this, tho: Opening scenes were very good. Also, I listened to the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack as I was reading, and some moments fit perfectly with the music right as I was reading them… it was pretty freaky!

Rodney-2187 said:

Just to recap:

Rodney-2187 said:

Official domestic opening weekend total:
$177,383,864

Congrats to rocknroll41 for predicting the closest (175m).

Still too close to call between these predictions for Domestic and Worldwide totals:

User	Opening	Domestic	Worldwide
rocknroll41	$175M	$500M	$975M
StarkillerAG	$200M	$500M	$900M
DrDre	$180M	$540M	$1.2B

I did the math and yeah you’re right. It still has a shot at getting closer to $540 million that it would be to $500 million flat. It’s a tight call, tho! Nonetheless, I apologize for prematurely assuming that myself and StarkillerAG were locked in for winning that round.

DominicCobb said:

Rose and Hux (fun moment for both characters):
https://twitter.com/Benredemption/status/1224405854457417731?s=20

Lando and Leia (good stuff):
https://twitter.com/Benredemption/status/1224407397571219456?s=20

3PO and R2 (genuinely great joke):
https://twitter.com/Benredemption/status/1224408383278796800?s=20

Kylo and Palpatine (hologram recording):
https://twitter.com/Benredemption/status/1224409548812931073?s=20

Ok I’ll admit that all of those are actually pretty decent.

DominicCobb said:

idir_hh said:

DominicCobb said:

idir_hh said:

DominicCobb said:

pleasehello said:

idir_hh said:

Art is subjective. You might think some of this is stupid, I happen to think it’s a masterpiece.

The grass is always greener, but “masterpiece” seems a tad strong for a partial screenplay of a film that was never made.

Yeah I don’t get how you can call 5 pages of a first draft script of an unproduced script a “masterpiece.” That’s more than a little silly.

Robert meyer Burnett read out most of the script on his YouTube channel and based on that script I think we would have gotten a film worthy of the Star Wars name.
The world building, the drama, the lore, the classic comedy and the politics, it’s all in there for me.

Personally I’m waiting to get my hands on the script myself.

Maybe there’s a chance it gets adapted into a novel.

Doubt that’d happen anytime soon, if ever. We only ever got one unproduced Lucas script adapted into anything, and that was literally the very first SW draft (so much more historically interesting).

A lot of these unused concepts can get repurposed into other stories, tho. I’m holding out for that, at least!

Regarding the script screenshots that just leaked:

I like Leia’s role better, but obviously the change in her role from this draft to the final cut was dictated by tragic circumstances that nobody is to blame for.

Regarding all of the other characters:

I prefer the roles of Rey, Poe, Kylo, Hux, Force ghosts, and Sith in the film we actually got, whereas I prefer the roles of most of the other characters like Finn, Chewy, the droids, etc., in this draft.

I also prefer the aesthetics from the concept art of this draft, when compared to the look of the film we actually got.

Regarding the time jump: 9 or 10 years (as it is in this draft) is too much. For this version in particular, a jump of 2-5 years would’ve been a nice sweet spot, me thinks.

So, ultimately, more of a hybrid between the two visions would’ve been the ideal.

Just checked the predictions chart again. Myself and StarkillerAG are closest to the domestic total, and I’m closest to the worldwide total, it seems.

Congrats @StarkillerAG for getting the domestic total right with me. 😃

The film has now passed Rogue One worldwide, but I guess the chances of it passing Rogue One domestically are pretty much zero at this point.

So what will the final domestic total be? Like $510 million?

DominicCobb said:

Fuck, that looks cool.

Still, we have to understand that films basically never live up to their concept art, which is always pie-in-the-sky sort of stuff. And this is a script that, if it was ever actually made, would have needed a lot of compression and downsizing.

The other thing to think about, in fairness to TROS, is what would we have thought if Trevorrow’s movie got made and then JJ’s leaked concepts came out? People would likely salivate over the return to Mustafar, the Sith world of Exegol, the Force bond duel, the Death Star ruins, etc. It all comes down to how it’s executed.

My thoughts exactly. I like some of these concepts, but as you said, it ultimately comes down to execution, and there’s no telling what the execution of any of this stuff would’ve been like. At the end of the day, I think the ST was always destined to be divisive. Star Wars evolved in a way over the decades where everyone now has a unique idea in each of their heads on what it should and shouldn’t be, and there just isn’t any way around that. Maybe kids being born and growing up now will see all nine films as a whole and won’t have these sort of crazy debates online on what’s better and what isn’t. If that’s the case, I look forward to when that day comes.

So is the expectation still that it’ll settle around $500 million domestically?

yotsuya said:

rocknroll41 said:

Now that I’ve had even more time to digest the leaked details from Colin’s script, I gotta admit that I’m finding more and more things that I like, mainly with Finn’s arc. Some sorta combo between Colin’s version and JJ’s would’ve been the ideal. Ultimately tho, if I had to pick just one version, I still prefer the movie we got.

That being said, I recall thinking back in the day that the ideal endpoint for Episode 9 would be for Rey to create a new order that merges light and dark, cause I couldn’t think of any other way to make this new trilogy feel “important” with respect to the rest of the saga. However, having now actually seen the movie, I think that by bringing back Palpatine and implying through Anakin’s one line that the prophecy is a cyclical thing that’s destined to keep repeating, JJ found a more fitting way to give this trilogy a sense of “importance” when put alongside the other movies.

In a weird sorta way, I think Colin’s version is the more fitting end to this trilogy specifically, while JJ’s version is a more fitting end to the saga as a whole. And personally, I think the latter is the more important in the grand scheme of things.

I think Rey’s yellow saber really implies she is going to go forward with a more balanced order. I think that Yoda training Luke and Rey training herself from the most ancient texts (from when there was balance) gives us a difference. Anakin was supposed to balance the force and he sort of did, but left his Jedi trained son to carry on and this time we got a different ending that brings better balance. Plus after ROTJ, someone helped Palaptine survive so we have to face him again (a very mythic redo to the previous defeat).

This is a really cool perspective that I hadn’t considered before! Appreciate the insight 😃

Now that I’ve had even more time to digest the leaked details from Colin’s script, I gotta admit that I’m finding more and more things that I like, mainly with Finn’s arc. Some sorta combo between Colin’s version and JJ’s would’ve been the ideal. Ultimately tho, if I had to pick just one version, I still prefer the movie we got.

That being said, I recall thinking back in the day that the ideal endpoint for Episode 9 would be for Rey to create a new order that merges light and dark, cause I couldn’t think of any other way to make this new trilogy feel “important” with respect to the rest of the saga. However, having now actually seen the movie, I think that by bringing back Palpatine and implying through Anakin’s one line that the prophecy is a cyclical thing that’s destined to keep repeating, JJ found a more fitting way to give this trilogy a sense of “importance” when put alongside the other movies.

In a weird sorta way, I think Colin’s version is the more fitting end to this trilogy specifically, while JJ’s version is a more fitting end to the saga as a whole. And personally, I think the latter is the more important in the grand scheme of things.

Hey wait I just realized something… didn’t mark hamill say he “agreed” with collin’s vision? What here did he agree with, exactly?

I’ve been reading some more details regarding the leaked draft (which I now see is being reported on by credible sources as being real). I’m starting to warm up to it, and can even see why CT and DC still got writing credit (mustafar sequence, etc.), but overall, I still prefer the movie we actually got by a landslide!

Don’t get me wrong, there are some thing from this draft I do actually prefer (double-bladed blue saber, etc.), but there are still just too many things I don’t like at all (damarey, monster-face kylo, etc.).

Just read the new alleged Collin Trevorrow script details from RMB’s “part 2” video (for context, RMB is the guy who also “leaked” the proposed Collin script details the other day).

Wow, that script sounds really, REALLY bad! Luke’s ghost disowning Kylo (“you’re no Skywalker”)? Rey becoming blind? Damerey? Rey being rewarded (seemingly) for becoming a “grey” Jedi? Hux stabbing himself with a lightsaber cause he can’t feel the force?

This is all way too dark and/or random for a finale starwars movie. I’m seriously having a hard believing any of this is real.

Finally got around to watching the finale. Loved it! Easily my favorite of the whole season. Put a smile on my face so many times!

This whole show is great! It’s the best thing since Empire, and the future of Starwars!

Here’s my ranking of all the season 1 episodes:

GREAT

1.The Redemption (Chapter 8)

2.The Sin (Chapter 3)

3.The Child (Chapter 2)

4.The Mandalorian (Chapter 1)

5.The Reckoning (Chapter 7)

GOOD

6.The Sanctuary (Chapter 4)

7.The Prisoner (Chapter 6)

FINE

8.The Gunslinger (Chapter 5)

Most satisfying: all of the “meta” moments, with all of the Arthurian symbolism being a close second for me.

Most disappointing: all of the subplots in TLJ that went nowhere.

I loved most of the movie, but if I had to pick just one thing, it would be the moment when lando shows up with all of the ships. The look, the acting, and the music all fit together very well imo. Brought tears to my eyes.

Sounds exciting. Looking forward to it!

$919 million now. So I’m guessing the movie will close in on a billion within the next few days.

$851 million WW now, so closing in on a billion.

I think I’m starting to like TRoS better than TFA again… TFA is better-made, but TRoS has more moments that I like. It’s hard to rank them! Guess I need to see TRoS a few more times to really be sure.

Updated ranking for me (decided I like TFA just a tad better than TRoS now):

GREAT
1.SW77 (10/10)
2.TESB (10/10)

GOOD
3.RotJ (9/10)
4.Solo (9/10)

FINE
5.TFA (8/10)
6.TRoS (8/10)
7.RotS (7/10)
8.TPM (6/10)
9.R1 (6/10)
10.TLJ (6/10)

BAD
11.AotC (5/10)

$725 million WW now, apparently. Sounds pretty good to me! As long as it gets to a billion I think I’d consider it a success, from a personal standpoint.

1.Original Trilogy
-Star Wars 1977
-The Empire Strikes Back
-Return of the Jedi

2.Sequel Trilogy
-The Force Awakens
-The Last Jedi
-The Rise of Skywalker

3.”Flashback” Trilogy
-Revenge of the Sith
-Solo
-Rogue One

Bookending with Star Wars 1977 and Rogue One is essential, imo.

EDIT: is there a reason why this thread was moved to the EU section? I feel like it’d fit better in the Beyond The OT section, but that’s just me.

Rodney-2187 said:

Dec 20 - Friday - $89,615,288
Dec 21 - Saturday - $47,467,565
Dec 22 - Sunday - $40,301,011
Dec 23 - Monday - $29,389,847

= $206,773,711 domestic total

$226,766,916 international total

= $433,540,627 worldwide total

According to Wikipedia it’s actually at $516 million worldwide now. I guess they’re already factoring in estimates for Christmas Day.