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#47525
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I know the secret of life
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
no free will? fine, this conversation is over.

im sorry SES, it was fun, but i cant talk to someone who thinks his life isnt governed by himself.


There is no free will, it's an ilusion. This is from "Waking Life", one of my favorite movies, and it sums it up quite well:

"In a way, in our contemporary world view, it's easy to think that science has come to take the place of God. But some philosophical problems remain as troubling as ever. Take the problem of free will. This problem has been around for a long time, since before Aristotle in 350 B.C. St. Augustin, St. Thomas Aquinas, these guys all worried about how we can be free if God already knows in advance everything we're going to do. Nowadays, we know that the world operates according to some fundamental physical laws, and these laws govern the behavior of every object in the world. These laws, because they are so trustworthy, they enable incredible technological achievements. But look at yourself. We're just physical systems too, right? We're just complex arrangements of carbon molecules. We're mostly water. And our behavior isn't going to be an exception to these basic physical laws. So it starts to look like whether its God setting things up in advance, and knowing everything you're going to do, or whether it's these basic physical laws governing everything, there's not a lot of room left for freedom.

So you might try to just ignore the question, ignore the mystery of free will, and say, oh well, it's just an historical anecdote, it's sophomoric, it's a question with no answer, just forget about it. But the question keeps staring you in the face. Think about individuality for example. Who you are is mostly a matter of the free choices that you make. Or take responsibility. You can only be held responsible, you can only be found guilty, or you can only be admired and respected for things you did of your own free will. So the question keeps coming back. And we don't really have a solution to it. It starts to look like all our decisions are really just a charade. Think about how it happens. There's some electrical activity in your brain, your neurons fire, they send a signal down into your nervous system, it passes along down into your muscle fibers, they twitch, you might reach out your arm. It looks like it's a free action on your part, but every part of that process is actually governed by physical laws, chemical laws, electrical laws, and so on. So now it starts to look like the big bang set up the initial conditions, and the whole rest of human history, and even before, is really just the playing out of subatomic particles according to these basic fundamental physical laws. We think we're special. We think we have some kind of special dignity, but that now comes under threat. That's really challenged by this picture.

So you might be saying, well, wait a minute. What about quantum mechanics? I know enough contemporary physical theory to know it's not really like that. It's really a probabilistic theory. There's room. It's loose. It's not deterministic. And that's going to enable us to understand free will. But if you look at the detail, it's not really going to help because what happens is you have some very small quantum particles, and their behavior is apparently a bit random, they sort of swerve, their behavior is absurd in the sense that its unpredictable, and we can't understand it based on anything that came before. It just does something out of the blue according to a probabilistic framework. But is that going to help with freedom? I mean, should our freedom be just a matter of probabilities, just some random swerving in a chaotic system? That starts to seem like it's worse. I'd rather be a gear in a big deterministic physical machine than just some random swerving.

So we can't just ignore the problem. We have to find room in our contemporary world view for persons with all that that entails. Not just bodies, but persons. That means trying to solve the problem of freedom, finding room for choice and responsibility, and trying to understand individuality."
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#47472
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Censorship
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/47472/action/topic#47472
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Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
are that the only scenes that are faked?


Here's a couple of websites that detail the lies in Bowling For Columbine:
Truth_About_Bowling Bowling For Truth

Michael Moore pulls every trick in the book, from lying about statistics and staging fake scenes (like the bank and wal-mart) to clever editing.


It was not faked. I've seen the whole footage that was shot in the bank. And the wal-mart, and k-mart, and the Charlton Heston interview, you belive it was all faked? Why would them allow it to be faked, anyway? Besides, you obviously don't agree with the movie's message, so uh, be careful with your .48 under your pillow.

Michael Moore: Why not use Gandhi's way? He didn't have guns, and he beat the British Empire.
John Nichols: I'm not... familiar with that.
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#47462
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I know the secret of life
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/47462/action/topic#47462
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Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur

Take a look at this:



This is another good way of showing my theory of creation. Consider that the clear pyramid represents our previous universe. Consider that the ray of light represents love (life). When the ray of light intersects the pyramid from one side, what comes out of the other? It creates something beautiful, like our known universe.


I've never thought that a Pink floyd album cover would be used to explain the creation of the universe in a SW message board. Things are getting so weird, lately...
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#47296
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James bond is awesome
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/47296/action/topic#47296
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
i think it would be cool. QT could very well put bond back in a 60's 70's style movie.


I've always thought that every Bond movie should've been set in the mid-60s. I mean, makes no sense to have a Bond in the 21st century, a Bond in the 60s, and they're both the same person... Besides, Bond dosen't belong in today's world, he is - like M once said - a reliq from the Cold War.
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#47295
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MORE CHANGES!!! (for the 2004 OT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/47295/action/topic#47295
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Originally posted by: DocCovington
Most geniuses create their product of ingenuity all by themselves. As I stated in my last post, if it hadn't been for those talented screenwriters, the OT wouldn't have been nearly as good (just watch the PT for comparison).

Get my point?


I don't think that's the real point. Just think, if TPM and AOTC were not part of the Star Wars saga, I'd find them confusing, yet great movies. It would have fans, like SW has. But the thing is, we keep comparing it to the OT, we are desperatedly trying to find something to connect us to the OT, like Vader, the empire, Tie-Fighters, Luke, Solo... That's why GL is bringing (****Spoiler****) Chewbacca back to episode 3 (****end of spoiler****). And when we see such characters as Jar Jar, a child Anakin, Padmé, we fail to make that conection. I mean, try to remember what went through your minds when you saw the death star plans on episode 2...

But then again, yes, the PT has some corny dialog, not-so-good acting, and some flaws, and that adds up to what I've said. That's why some fans hate it...
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#47252
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Al Bundy
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/47252/action/topic#47252
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"You think I'm a loser? Because I have a stinking job that I hate, a family that doesn't respect me, and a whole city that curses the day I was born? Well, that may mean loser to you, but let me tell you something. Every day when I wake up in the morning, I know it's not going to get any better until I go back to sleep. So I get up. I have my watered-down Tang and my still-frozen Pop Tart. I get in my car with no gas, no upholstery, and six more payments. I fight honking traffic just for the privilege of putting cheap shoes onto the cloven hooves of people like you. I'll never play football like I wanted to. I'll never know the touch of a beautiful woman. And I'll never know the joy of driving through the city without a bag over my head. But I'm not a loser. Because, despite it all, me and every other guy who'll never be what they wanted to be, is out there, being what we don't want to be, forty hours a week, for life. And the fact that I didn't put a gun in my mouth years ago - that little fact makes me a winner, baby." - Al Bundy
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#47247
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I know the secret of life
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/47247/action/topic#47247
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
that is w quote from hedgehikers it is an inside joke. they spent 40 billion years to find the answer. then another 40 billion years to find the question. and then they realized that it didnt make sence.


And it's the answer to "how many roads must a man cross before he is called a man"... love that book. They are going to make a movie out of it, you know...
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#47245
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I know the secret of life
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/47245/action/topic#47245
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Originally posted by: SpecialEditionSaboteur
In other words: if you die in this lifetime, everyone you knew will think you are dead in your previous universe, but in your new, alternate universe you will continue to live.


I've thought of that once, too. I had this other crazy theory of mine, that we are forever trapped in a continous life loop. Imagine that your life is a ruler. In the final milimiter of that ruler, almost ending it... if we zoom in, we see another ruler, identical to the other one. The thing is, moments before you "die", on those 2 nanoseconds, you watch your whole life passing before your eyes, and you re-experience your whole life again, and when you approach death again, you re-experience it again... and again... like, recursivity. That way, we never die, we are trapped forever in our own life.

But then again... there is no such nonsense. No one loves anyone, we just like to be near people that make us feel better with ourselves. There is no God, or afterlife, or love, or meaning to life. Life is taxes and death. Ok, you can stop paying your taxes and go to jail, but death always remains. There is no fraking point, it's: born - suffering, suffering, suffering - death.
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#46812
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Plot holes in the SW saga
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/46812/action/topic#46812
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Originally posted by: HotRod
But to go on about fucking plot holes which just aren't there is crap! When Episode 3 comes out, and we find the film to be a big bag of shite, full of plot holes and mistakes, fair enough, go on about them.


What's the point of talking about the plot holes after the PT is ended? What we're discussing here is how those plot holes will (or could) be fixed with episode 3...
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#46777
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Censorship
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/46777/action/topic#46777
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Originally posted by: Bossk
Never heard that about Cinema Paradiso. Did they actually edit based on his "bells"?


Yes, there was a scene in that movie in which the local priest (this was set in early 30s-40s Italy, I think) watched the movie alone and ringed a bell when he saw something that he thought to be inapropriated, like 2 people kissing and stuff. They would out a marker on the celulloid, and cut that scene afterwards.

A friend of mine was watching Matrix Reloaded with his both 3 year old twin sons. His wife freaked out when she saw this. He claimed they were too young too understand what the violence onscreen was all about, and she said "oh yeah? watch this...", and told them both to play as they had guns. One of them shoot his brother with his finger, making "pow, pow" sounds, the other one throwed himself to the ground, as he was "dying". I don't know what to think about this... I've always belived that TV contributes to violence, when they show glorious non-fictional violence on TV. And at the same time, I belive in freedom of expression, and non-censorhip. Maybe we must evolute as a society and ban violence and hate from it, and THEN we'll be able to show extreme violence on TV to our kids with no fears.
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#46751
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MORE CHANGES!!! (for the 2004 OT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/46751/action/topic#46751
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Originally posted by: Samatar
I didn't know that either. But it makes perfect sense to me; as I have said here before, the Emperor's character was the only part of TPM that I thought worked really well. At least GL made one sound decision there.


They got lucky, when they casted him fro ROTJ he was about 35 years old although Palpatine was supposed to be kinda old, and now he's old enough to play a PT Palpatine.