regularjoe

I think the Poe humor in TFA and TROS is some of the worst in the entire franchise, especially the recylced joke from Lost in the beginning of TFA. I agree that JJA needs someone to reign him in, he’s super creative but needs some inflexiible limits imposed on him.

Regarding the film in question in this thread, I am a bit more forgiving of it than others, however I am really excited to see how this FE project turns out.

If you’re looking for inserts to drawn out some scenes I think some of the ocean wave scenes from Interstellar could be pilfered to provide more of a sense of environment to the scenes with the partially submerged wreckage of the Death Star.

Regarding the Reynbow; she’s a Jedi, not Maud Dib.

I did love that concept art in the BTS of her sitting on the Skywalker dome watching the sunset, wish they would have executed that instead.

IlFanEditore said:

This attitude is unbelievable for such a big, mainstream blockbuster.

It should not be that surprising from a movie done by the same director that earlier gave you a movie with Luke’s recovered lightsaber…and even included a chiding scene where a character says that the backstory for that is ''for another time." Or that the original idea for the opening of TFA was Luke’s hand clutching the saber floating through space.

Kylo Ren’s motivations toward Rey change pretty quickly in this one (like a lot of the movie, I guess).
Maybe that could be made more acceptable by tweaking a scene, if possible, where Palpy articulates that he knows Ren has feelings for ''the scavenger girl" and somehow validates them…maybe a warning that ''your feelings for her will be your undoing." Something like that would work on two levels, one, Ren’s ‘‘anything you can do I can do better’’ attitude and, two, making the Reylo flip a bit easier to digest timewise. Oh and then he does end up being undone due to her feelings for her so it would validate to a bit Palpy’s continuing forciness.

The movie is like a John Tesh cd, too many crescendos and climaxes and not enough melody and song.
Lightsaber battle - check
Emperor - check
Cliche lines - check
John Williams score - check
Trip to Tatoointe - check
Space battle - check
(jj era) lens flare - check
(jj era) cameos of people from the directors earlier work - check
(jj era) a hundred poorly executed ideas instead of 2-3 good ones - check

While John Williams has been a consistent architect of music for these films I think that some of these sequences would be better served with no music, just the fight and the sounds of the world around them. Sometimes less is more. Rise of the Skywalker is the Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom of this franchise, it needs to be allowed to breathe more than it was. Aside from Rey Palpatine it’s alright, if it wasn’t a rollercoaster and more of a story it would be a better watch.

How about moving the opening of TROS to the opening of TLJ?
This changes Kylo Ren’s motivation throughout the movie and, adding the failed Snoke clones, would serve as an enhancer to why he wipes out Snoke when he has a chance with Rey and moves to consolidate his power base.

NeverarGreat said:

I liked the dagger bullshit in so far as it felt like a bit from Indiana Jones.

This movie is the “Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom” of the Star Wars franchise.

Hal 9000 said:

This movie needs an extended cut. It’s far too fast paced.

And for a ‘ridiculous’ edit, Mace Windu could tell Rey to, “Waste the motherfucker.”

My immediate reaction was “this is the Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom” of Star Wars, but this time it works (mostly)."

When someone does a slapstick edit of this remember that Carrie Fisher was all about the glitter, she should have had a glitter saber.

I seriously enjoyed the movie, just saw it solo today as I wasn’t sure if there was content that would be too much for my youngest son.

The only cuts that would make me happy is removing any and all Rey is Palpy’s grandspawn. I always loved the Rey is a nobody from Jakku angle.

I don’t know if I may say this either in the Mandalorian spoiler thread of this one as there is cross-pollination at possible play here…I suspect that the person behind the person who put the bounty on the Yodling is Palpatine. He needs something that is loaded with the Force to hopefully rejuvenate himself.

The uniform on that rebel…ugh…1960’s Star Trek called and wants it back.
Fun show, needs to slow down.

TheHutt said:
Also, I like the Clint Eastwood vibe from Mando. Including the times he gets his butt kicked (like Eastwood did in each film of the Dollar trilogy).

I agree, I think one of the strengths of the show is that Mando-Mando-Man is not some sort of fully developed unstoppable badass.

Re Baby Yoda, I think that he has a strong self preservation instinct. He’s clearly able with the force and I think that he uses it in a very subtle manner, starting with the scene where he meets Mando. It’s unspoken, and you can see it in the show in the context of the rest of the franchise, and you can not see it, and the show is still a great watch.

I loved seeing the sandpeople. I don’t think the costumes looked like they were from a convention per se, they’re just too clean and…um…they look like they’ve been ironed. They don’t look lived in.
The biggest problem is rush rush move move. Slow the darn thing down already. That sandpeople scene would have been so much better if it had been drawn out and had a bit more tension. Build it up. Maybe they get sniped at by one and at first they wonder if it’s the bounty shooting or someone else.
The whole ‘‘tell them yourself’’ joke is one of my favorite pieces of recent Star Wars humor.

I generally love the show but the pacing of it is all off, slow it the hell down.

It’s a western set in space (which is how it was first described to me before I saw anything other than a trailer).
I had seen a trailer for it before a Peanuts film and wanted to see it, this is before it blew up and it was all word of mouth.
It was playing in my hometown at the theatre the farthest from my home and I couldn’t find anyone to drive me.
About a month after it was released I had lunch with my father, his sister (who my dad took the opinion of very seriously) and my brother. My aunt asked, “Bob, have you taken the boys to see that Star Wars movie yet?” I almost fell off of my chair. An ally! My dad was I think amazed that his sister and seen this, let alone was probably going to endorse it. “No.” She replied, “Oh, you really should. It’s great. And you should go, too. You’d like it, it’s like a western but set in space.”
We went to see it that weekend.

The following contains spoilers from The Mandalorian…

adywan said:

Amazing that, after all those years, the clouds haven’t moved an inch 😉

But i think we should keep any discussion about the Mandalorian eps out of this thread for those that haven’t had a chance to watch it yet.

I am amazed that a double sun parched desert planet has that many clouds at all.

timdiggerm said:

Hey everyone, I accidentally read some spoilers, so I guess I’m here now instead of the no-spoiler thread. Anyway, the stuff I read was pretty crazy, but then I read some other stuff that seemed to conflict it. So…is there anywhere where I can read a summary of the current state of speculation and leaks, instead of sifting through 127 pages?

here you go

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k-gO17Y1ENyq2aahYqDAFgeMrqP95qaNhIaLtiFLDAE/edit

DuracellEnergizer said:

Perhaps the Sequel Sequel Trilogy will introduce planet-sized ysalamiri and balance will finally, truly be brought to Force.

No, Rey is going to meet Jedi Knight Bristow and her master Jedi Rimbaldi, who will teach her how to use the Wayfarer device to trap Kylo Ren and her. They will be locked in there for all eternity, bringing balance to the force via their unconsumated attraction to each other.

SwimmingBird27 said:

I’ve always found that a Tarantino style bounty hunter film would an interesting prospect.

I am pretty much digging the surprise of intergalactic Mr. Mom.
This could have been executed even better if the spacefaring Jawas were the ones that had baby Yodes and he had to board their ship or follow them from planet to planet and intergalactic flea market to flea market to try to get the bounty baby and they’re playing all sorts of devious tricks on him, three card monte type stuff, like which Jawa transport is the baby in? The use of the Jawas in Ep2 was IMO the best use of legacy species that we’ve seen. Really like Nick Nolte as an (adult?) Uganught, too.

The best strengths of this show are a) they are not over-explaining things and b) there’s some world building going on.
The weakness is that they are not letting it breathe enough. My opinion is they feel they have to do perceived damage control from the last two movies (not a criticism, I love 'em both) however this would have been improved if they had taken a long hard look at Twin Peaks The Return - give it space and time. Everything I’ve seen so far has been really good, but it has been rushed. Slow it the hell down a bit please.

Megan+Fox+Calibre.

One of these words does not belong with the others.

One of the prequels problems was that Lucas kept introducing a new “main” villain every movie. What would have been wrong with Darth Maul as the main antagonist for the entire PT?

What’s wrong with Darth Maul is Dooku. They should have gone with Dooku from E1 straight through 3.
I realize that the Empire doesn’t exist yet but Maul as the apprentice runs counter to the xenophobia of the realized Empire and Palpy was the one behind all that so Maul doesn’t make sense at all.

Christopher Lee was a sadly wasted opportunity of quality; instead we were given Grievous in 3 and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom level garbage.

A great idea - Christopher Lee as a rogue Jedi
Failed execution - see above

and while talking about bad (and badly executed) freakin’ ideas:
General Greivous.

I like the setup of subverting expectations. We heard Mandalorian and thought kickass bounty hunting and instead we’re going Star Wars does Mr. Mom and people are onboard with it.