rcb

xhonzi said:

rcb, do you have a link for the bomb you just dropped there?  Is it reimagined (the horror!) OT, or like the Empire or Republic comics where it takes place betwixt the movies?

 i don't have a link for it, this was like a year ago after the clone wars series started. as far as i know its still happening, then again, it may have been a rumor. however, its been talked about in other forums such as the force.net and jedi councile. last i heard though this was a planned thing.

skyjedi2005 said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

rcb said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

 

 

What's your proof that I'd be saying the same thing about any other actor who took the Anakin role? You have no proof of that. Whatsoever. The situation with Hayden is not merely the situation of an actor other than Shaw taking the role. It's a situation in which an especially inappropriate actor was given the role. There are many actors I would have been happier with. So no I wouldn't necessarily have been complaining. You'd do well not to make careless statements about me that are not based on any proof.

 

 But the part was still written and directed to be a whiny teenager in AOTC, and then a moody young man prone to crying in ROTS. Do you suppose any actor could have pulled that off in a way you would call "Vader-worthy?" Is it even possible, in ur opion?

Another actor could have done it better than Hayden. And anyway, it didn't have to be written that way. The way it was written was not consistent with the Anakin we were given in the OT.

 we don't learn much about him in the OT anyways. all we hear about him is from Obi-wan.

This is all i recall:

Anakin was a great pilot, the best in the star galaxy btw. a cunning warrior and amazingly strong in the force. he was seduced by the dark side of the force and from a certain point of view, he was dead.

lastly, he new he had a child, but not a twin due to the fact that his children were hidden from him after they were born.

did i miss anything? this is all i recall.

No, we learn more about him than that. Kenobi says rather more than you mention there. And we actually MEET him. And the character Shaw played could never have been the character in AOTC and ROTS, and nor could the OT's Vader for that matter. We learn plenty about Anakin in the OT, quite enough to tell he could never be the PT character.

Except that now thanks to Lucas retcons starting in Empire Strikes Back Obi Wan is an Untrustworthy person who lies or tells his version of the truth from a certain point of view.  When Star Wars 77 was shot what obi wan told luke in his hut was the absolute truth. his father was betrayed and murdered by his other star pupil vader. 

I get the impression that Kenobi had two apprentices at the same time who were brothers of a sort and firends that had a falling out and vader killed his friend skywalker, so kenobi chased him down to a lava pit and dueled him and killed vader, or so he thought until he found out palpy had his body reconstructed.

Was it jealousy, pride over who was a better pupil, who  the master liked better.  Would be like one of those samurai or kung fu tales where the student does this.

How would the sequels come off if Vader was not the father but the man who killed lukes father and master, it is strictly a tale of revenge.  No leia as the sister or vader as the father. 

Not only that Vader brought dishonor onto his order the jedi knights by his actions. 

 from wat i understand is that at first, Obi-wan killed luke's father. but anyways, vaderisnothayden, who we saw was and old man, i wouldn't c him acting like a baby either. but when ur younger u act differently.

plus, both actors, u couldn't tell if they had been vader. vader was a character of his own, so the two characters we saw were their own unique selves.

they'll be doing the story of luke skywalker t.v. series after clone wars.

i don''t mind the cgi, but it makes the characters look weird and im kinda wanted to c live action characters take the roles of the characters.

Davnes007 said:

cap said:

There has been talk about killing off Lando in ROTJ.  I’m not sure whether I think that’s a good idea or not, but I’ve been thinking about how to do it if the decision is made to do so.

Here’s a thought.

The fleet starts moving away from the Death Star before the fatal shots are fired.  They’re well coordinated and they know what’s coming.  Wedge and Lando fire their shots more or less simultaneously and BOOM.  They never have a chance to outrun the explosion.  They know when they pull their triggers that they’re not getting out of there, but they don’t hesitate for a moment.  The true epitome of heroism.

 

Made a video awhile back that sort of shows something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ybxU0SsNIc

 i know this is off topic, but Davnes, what can u do with that tongue of jabba's licking leia? i thought he'd have it flapping at leia or something. either that or have a smaller mouth come out like in the movie alien vs. predator.

Darth Chronus said:

Tobar said:

Well I know Kyle Newman the director of Fanboys is a fan of Revisited and he sent a copy to Dave Filoni the guy in charge of the Clone Wars and apparently he watched it with a bunch of people over at Lucasfilm and they all loved it.

 

It's been over a year now - Lucas MUST have seen it :)

That sounds awesome, and I'm sure it's true too.

i'd actually be surprised if they didn't know about it. GL is the father of star wars after all. he's prolly seen and heard all the critiscism, fan edits, etc.

if he was to sue or something like that, it would've already happened. GL doesn't seem like the kinda guy who would do that.

i do recall in a documentary that he wanted to inspire a bunch of young, i know some of us r old so we apply, filmmakers. while ady is not a film maker, he's doing an amazing thing with the movies. if not for GL adywan wouldn't be doing this. ;)

Vaderisnothayden said:

TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

 

 

What's your proof that I'd be saying the same thing about any other actor who took the Anakin role? You have no proof of that. Whatsoever. The situation with Hayden is not merely the situation of an actor other than Shaw taking the role. It's a situation in which an especially inappropriate actor was given the role. There are many actors I would have been happier with. So no I wouldn't necessarily have been complaining. You'd do well not to make careless statements about me that are not based on any proof.

 

 But the part was still written and directed to be a whiny teenager in AOTC, and then a moody young man prone to crying in ROTS. Do you suppose any actor could have pulled that off in a way you would call "Vader-worthy?" Is it even possible, in ur opion?

Another actor could have done it better than Hayden. And anyway, it didn't have to be written that way. The way it was written was not consistent with the Anakin we were given in the OT.

 we don't learn much about him in the OT anyways. all we hear about him is from Obi-wan.

This is all i recall:

Anakin was a great pilot, the best in the star galaxy btw. a cunning warrior and amazingly strong in the force. he was seduced by the dark side of the force and from a certain point of view, he was dead.

lastly, he new he had a child, but not a twin due to the fact that his children were hidden from him after they were born.

did i miss anything? this is all i recall.

brash_stryker said:

Or is this an admission that you, yourself work for ILM? :)

 BUSTED!!!

shanerjedi said:

rcb said:

vaderios said:

 

 

 

-Angel

 this is how i always invisioned the sarlaac pit fight. if luke is hitting the guys with his lightsaber there should be some sort of evidence that he's hitting them and not just they're falling backwards like they r being pulled by a rope.

ever since ROTS i knew, this is how it should be.

Well if they can show Darth Maul sticking his saber through Qui-Gon in TPM, then they can show this. This is sped up too.

By the way, how much camera movement are in these shots? I need to watch ROTJ again.

 there r a few... i never keep count but i know there are a few there.

vaderios said:

 

-Angel

 this is how i always invisioned the sarlaac pit fight. if luke is hitting the guys with his lightsaber there should be some sort of evidence that he's hitting them and not just they're falling backwards like they r being pulled by a rope.

ever since ROTS i knew, this is how it should be.

TV's Frink said:

I was wondering about this too.  I don't recall a soundtrack release for ANH:R, but maybe I missed it?

 i cant help not hearing professor frink's voice when i read ur posts!

C3PX said:

xhonzi said:

Gaffer Tape said:

GARBLAHERGHEREFG!  I AM VERY ANGRY AT THIS 'OVERRATED' COMMENT!

I will now calmly sit down and do nothing because I cannot stand for this.

 Well, that was honestly a stronger reaction from C3PX's fan(s) than I expected...

Maybe I need to go rethink this...

You can remove those () from around that "s". "Fans" most definitely needs to be plural, I have fans and lots of them!

 

@rcb, Senor Gaffer Tape is very much a he not a "she". Don't let that avatar fool you (you wouldn't be the first, I might be way off on this, but I think there may have been a past incident where another male member made that same mistake and came onto him...).

EDIT: Oops, due to my slow typing, Gaffer beat me to the punch in correcting the gender confusion situation.

 yea, i wasn't sure whether to say he or she. srry about that.

btw, im a fan of yours also.

Vaderisnothayden said:

rcb said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

Obviously Sebastian Shaw couldn't play Anakin, but they could have found somebody appropriate for the role. Shaw left his mark on the character, but the character wasn't as locked to Shaw as Spock was to Nimoy. As such it would have been perfectly ok to have a younger actor to play the character if they'd gotten somebody appropriate. But they didn't. We always knew a younger actor would have to play Anakin, that was the deal from the start, way back in the days the OOT was coming out. Whereas Spock was just Nimoy, plain and simple, defined by him to a great degree and played by him in endless hours of tv/film, very different from playing one scene, however significant.

As it is, there was a lot more wrong with the prequels than just the casting of Anakin, but the awful writing and acting for Anakin was one of the worst things about it. A better actor, with different writing and directing could have turned out an Anakin that worked. But Spock IS Nimoy and it's not ok to give the role to someone else for more than flashback scenes and little stuff like that. The planned Star Wars prequels (which would have been different from the ones we got), with their younger version of Anakin played by a younger actor, were part of the planned Star Wars saga long before the OT was completed and before Shaw got the role. But this Star Trek movie wasn't on the horizion until recent times when they decided to go back and fuck up the old characters wth bad imitations. There's a marked difference in the Anakin and Spock situations.

However it WASN'T ok to give the Anakin role to Hayden Christensen, who fucked it up totally. And similarly, Quinto gets Spock totally wrong. Quinto's Spock is an insult to the character and the fans of the character, just as Hayden's Anakin was an insult to Vader/Anakin and to Star wars fans. It would have been better to have no prequels than ones in which the character of Anakin was so ruined. And it would have been better to have no new Trek than to have the character of Spock crapped on like that.

 

 really though, u'd be saying the same thing about any other actor that took the place of anakin or spock. so, either way, u'd be complaining. on the bright side u could have a different screen name.

What's your proof that I'd be saying the same thing about any other actor who took the Anakin role? You have no proof of that. Whatsoever. The situation with Hayden is not merely the situation of an actor other than Shaw taking the role. It's a situation in which an especially inappropriate actor was given the role. There are many actors I would have been happier with. So no I wouldn't necessarily have been complaining. You'd do well not to make careless statements about me that are not based on any proof.

As for the Spock situation, I would not have been happy with the role being given to somebody other than Nimoy, but it could have been better than it is. They could have picked somebody better than Quinto.

And C3PX is right, your use of "u" for "you" is annoying.

 thx for the compliment! btw, what actors would u have been happier with?

Davnes007 said:

And now for something completely different....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W6qQhewyJ0

 

:D

 Davnes u never cease to amaze me!

i know there's been a few star trek vs. star wars, but how about u do ur own version? just a thought...

i was brought in by watching fan trailers on youtube. i came across ANHR and came to the site and now, im here and waiting for ESBR to be released.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Obviously Sebastian Shaw couldn't play Anakin, but they could have found somebody appropriate for the role. Shaw left his mark on the character, but the character wasn't as locked to Shaw as Spock was to Nimoy. As such it would have been perfectly ok to have a younger actor to play the character if they'd gotten somebody appropriate. But they didn't. We always knew a younger actor would have to play Anakin, that was the deal from the start, way back in the days the OOT was coming out. Whereas Spock was just Nimoy, plain and simple, defined by him to a great degree and played by him in endless hours of tv/film, very different from playing one scene, however significant.

As it is, there was a lot more wrong with the prequels than just the casting of Anakin, but the awful writing and acting for Anakin was one of the worst things about it. A better actor, with different writing and directing could have turned out an Anakin that worked. But Spock IS Nimoy and it's not ok to give the role to someone else for more than flashback scenes and little stuff like that. The planned Star Wars prequels (which would have been different from the ones we got), with their younger version of Anakin played by a younger actor, were part of the planned Star Wars saga long before the OT was completed and before Shaw got the role. But this Star Trek movie wasn't on the horizion until recent times when they decided to go back and fuck up the old characters wth bad imitations. There's a marked difference in the Anakin and Spock situations.

However it WASN'T ok to give the Anakin role to Hayden Christensen, who fucked it up totally. And similarly, Quinto gets Spock totally wrong. Quinto's Spock is an insult to the character and the fans of the character, just as Hayden's Anakin was an insult to Vader/Anakin and to Star wars fans. It would have been better to have no prequels than ones in which the character of Anakin was so ruined. And it would have been better to have no new Trek than to have the character of Spock crapped on like that.

 

 really though, u'd be saying the same thing about any other actor that took the place of anakin or spock. so, either way, u'd be complaining. on the bright side u could have a different screen name.

TV's Frink said:

Gaffer Tape said:

GARBLAHERGHEREFG! 

Garblahergherefg?  What kind of nonsense is that?  Blergen-hey.

 i think gaffer means that she's annoyed

pg 525 and we can still find things to argue about. amazing uh?

lets push for 600 pages!    ;)

DuTwan said:

0. (Enhance AT-ST explosion that is crushed between the two logs. )

Hey guys just thought i would do another pic for the list :P

I was also never satisfied with the effect in this shot, i have a go on Photoshop of tryin to do a mockup of this improvement. Ive gotta say ive really impressed even myself on this one (head expands lmao).

 

Original:

 

Edited:

Hope you guys like, please comment :D

 yea, the walkers always looked like cardboard once they were crushed and it made the size of the cockpit look smaller then it really is.

well, that's my personal opinion. which makes me wonder, do u think the should of left the PT alone or are u just pissed sabastian shaw didn't play anakin skywalker?

strong words there

hey, they did awsome on the cast. that was the one thing about the movie i was worried about when they were making it and they pulled it off. the next one they do, i hope they use the same cast again. besides, having a cameo appearence from lenoard nimoy really boost the acception of the characters.

right....

SilverWook said:

What's with the generalities? A lot of Trek fans love Star Wars, myself included. SW is the main reason Paramount bumped what might have been a short lived tv revival into a full fledged big budget movie.

Star Trek did do alien bar fights and a giant planet destroying machine first. ;)

Both films have drawn upon universal themes of a hero's journey from callow youth to experienced leader. Luke and Ben have been compared to Arthur and Merlin since the beginning. Spock is Kirk's Merlin in a way.

I thought Abrams made a damn good movie. I'm not a fan of shaky cam, nor lens flares, but the movie has an epic feel to it. Only Star Trek could be rebooted like this, and keep what has gone before, yet have it be a new separate timeline where things will be different. I hated what happens to Vulcan, and Amanda's death, but in terms of the story they made sense.

And being a "tv guy" doesn't mean you can't make feature films, just ask Steven Spielberg. ;)

Going back to Kirk and Spock was really the only way to go, they are the characters even non-fans know.

 yea. im a trekkie also and just love star wars! and if u didn't notice, a lot of stories follow the same premise.

also, silverwook was right to go back to kirk and spock. they really were the only non fan characters out there. i knew more about spock then my dad when i was like seven and he watched star trek all his life.

V said:

Ziz said:

No, on Fox it would be moved around, delayed and pre-empted because of football games, then Fox would cancel it complaining that it wasn't getting ratings.

 

Word.  They thought people no longer watched Futurama or King of the Hill.

 dude, im right there with ya. damn station gives everyone a hard time.

i can relate...