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#1162519
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ā€˜The Last Jedi Novelization to Feature Deleted Scenes, Star Wars Day at Sea, and More!ā€™

Video below contains some footage from TLJ - so SPOILERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52L2HML5O1k (around 3 minutes in - including clips from a deleted TLJ scene)

^ ā€˜The Star Wars Showā€™ - from the Star Wars youtube channel

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#1162402
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DrDre said:

TVā€™s Frink said:

DrDre said:

The ST is meant to be part of a larger overarching story.

Again this is just your desire/opinion. I donā€™t care about the development of characters from PT to OT, and furthermore trying to use that as a justification for calling character development a ā€œplot holeā€ just doesnā€™t work.

Which is your opinion, and arguing semantics.

TVā€™s Frink said:

Words mean things. Plot holes are something specific, and are not what you are describing. Itā€™s not semantics.

But ok. I said I give up before, I mean it this time.

DrDre said:

TVā€™s Frink said:

Words mean things. Plot holes are something specific, and are not what you are describing. Itā€™s not semantics.

But ok. I said I give up before, I mean it this time.

ā€œArguing semantics is a derogatory term used by one party in an argument to resist the other partyā€™s attempt to question the terms and language used in the argument.ā€

Iā€™ve explained what my issues are with the ST, which is the point, Iā€™m trying to get across. Despite this you continue to avoid the topic, by arguing about the meaning of a word (semantics) I used to summarize my argument. A word I would gladly replace by a more appropriate term, if that makes you happy, as Iā€™ve indicated. Ergo, you are arguing semantics. I would like to get away from semantics, and discuss the issues Iā€™ve raised with those posters, interested in discussing them.

Actually, the full quora.com post isā€¦

'ā€œArguing semanticsā€ is a derogatory term used by one party in an argument to resist the other partyā€™s attempt to question the terms and language used in the argument. This is generally done because the current terms favor his / her position.

In this situation the first party will often feign impatience ā€“ ā€œCome on, letā€™s stop quibbling about semantics and get on with things!ā€ā€™

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I donā€™t see Frink stating ā€˜arguing semanticsā€™? Do you?

And it certainly wasnā€™t used as a derogatory term by him - as you inferred by mentioning it in your post.
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A word of warning - tread carefully when trying to cast aspersions of using a ā€˜derogatory termā€™ onto others.
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That is all - thank you.

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#1162331
Topic
Letā€™s talk about Star Wars fans
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ZigZig said:

Which is not true. Rian Johnson did not ruined my childhood.
Actually, Kathleen Kennedy did (and maybe Rick McCallum too). Smiley.

None of them ruined your childhood mate.

One or more of them may be responsible for having played a part in making a film/films you didnā€™t like/enjoy.
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insert smiley

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#1162286
Topic
How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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TMBTM said:

A new SW movie, to me, itā€™s like listening to the new album of a band I love: I have to, at least, give it a listen, even if I didnā€™t love EVERY previous albums. I still like the idea of watching a new Star Wars movie and itā€™s more than enough for me to buy my ticket even when Iā€™m not too crazy about the synopsis (Soloā€¦)
Although, I think that, with the years, I tend to rewatch less often new movies in general (except when Iā€™m making fanedits, of course!). So Iā€™m NOT making them ā€œiconicā€ to me anymore. They are just movies, without nostalgia attachment, maybe with less passion as before too. But itā€™s not because they are bad, itā€™s because I simply care less. I still find interesting and sometime even moving to follow the stories of a world I was so passionate about (and that I still love) but it simply canā€™t be the same as before.
(That being said: The Last Jedi was very good and it totaly works for me as a worthy SW sequel!)

Away with this well reasoned/rounded logic and approach to watching SW films - it has no place on here šŸ˜‰

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#1162285
Topic
Last Item(s) Purchased?
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chyron8472 said:

Replacement USB-C charger for my wifeā€™s phone. Charger that came with the phone stopped working.

Also a Toothless plush for my daughter for her birthday.

I just read that a ā€˜bluetoothless plushā€™ - and was about to ask what the bluetooth version did? šŸ˜ƒ

Time for me to step away from the computer and grab a coffee šŸ˜ƒ

Cool plush toy btw

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#1162024
Topic
The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit
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one69chev said:

To me it is nuts to be upset about diversity in the Star Wars universe. How many aliens and space weirdos have graced the silver screen in a Star Wars movie? Creatures of every size and shape and color imaginable and yet people are still hung up on women and minorities playing any sort of prominent role. I donā€™t get it; ā€˜what a boring, dull place would this world be if everyone looked just like meā€™.

Quoted for truth my friend.

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#1161804
Topic
My ideal box set. Would this be possible?
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Would it better to split the boxset into two parts? One part with the films themselves - and the other part with bonus material (which will could likely change and evolve over time as new releases and anniversaries come and go)ā€¦

Amaray do a 24 disc case šŸ˜ƒ

(and Iā€™d back it all up to a large external portable hard drive too šŸ˜‰)
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An intriguing concept regardless mate - good luck with it, I hope you (and we all) achieve this dream šŸ˜ƒ

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#1160655
Topic
[fill in the blank] Just Died!
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ā€˜Cyrille Regis: Ex-West Brom and England forward dies aged 59ā€™

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42687285

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I was fortunate to play against him - only in a 5-a-side game many ears ago - yet this man was not only a quality sportsman, nor just a professional footballer, nor just a ā€˜mereā€™ man - this guy was a legend, a gentleman, and stood against racism and hatred of those that were considered ā€˜differentā€™ at a time where it was considered ā€˜the normā€™ to hate those that were.

RIP Cyrille.

Youā€™ll Never Walk Alone.

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#1160231
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

Collipso said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

But at the end of TESB we are left with Han frozen and the rebellion baseless. In TLJ we are left with the characters intact but the Resistance in shambles, but with hope. But in TESB, we have a galaxy wide Empire that is strong and unwavering. In TLJ, we have a First Order just beginning its conquest, not yet cemented or truly in power yet. The crawl uses the word reigns, but I take that to mean there is no force to oppose them rather than they have actually taken over anything and the rest of the text of the crawl agrees with that as does the movie dialog. It also provides a reason why Leiaā€™s call was not answered. But the final scene in the stable shows that Luke had again brought hope and if word has reached Canto Bight, it will spread across the galaxy and give courage to those who want to resist the First Orderā€™s conquest.

Yes, but thatā€™s where our interpretations differ. TLJ makes a strong case, that the FO is a pretty much unstoppable force. Apart from the crawl, thereā€™s the statement in the film, that the FO will control all major systems in weeks. This might not be very credible, but this is the message the film tries to get across. Then thereā€™s the fact, that the Resistance/rebellion is decimated. People might be inspired, but it is hope without substance, wishful thinking at best. It is a spark that has to evaporate an ocean of bad. It may turn into a great big fire, but it may also be extinguished. If the latter is not the case, thereā€™s no more tension in the film, as the heroes will prevail no matter what. The situation at the end of TESB is quite different. The Rebel Alliance may be without a base, but it has a fleet and personel. It has a real hope of defeating the Empire, more than just inspiration. There are unresolved story threads, like what will become of Han Solo? Is Darth Vader really Lukeā€™s father? Is the Emperor really so powerful, that he can boss around Darth Vader? What is left to resolve after TLJ? I would say very little, other than the rebellion has to somehow reform, and beat the FO.

I tend to agree with this. ā€œSo this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applauseā€ we had to wait 20 years for any sort of resistance or rebellion to rise again the Empire. Rebels has established that it happened more or less at the same time, with several cells rebelling in several places. But that was 15 years after RotS. Unless we have a huge time jump now, itā€™s going to be hard to have a huge showdown RotJ-style in IX and make it believable. But I hope they pull it off if they decide to go for it.

I wonder if theyā€™re going to do something different for IX that not the final Rebels vs Empire and Rey vs Kylo confrontation. I really hope so.

The big difference. At the end of ROTS, you have the long established Galactic Republic turn into the first Galactic Empire. That means all the institutions, all the structure, everything remains in place and there is just a change at the top. In the ST, we have the capitol of the new Republic destroyed along with the fleet. The First Order is moving in (present action, not yet completed) so they will have to come in and establish a new structure and build it from scratch. On some world they may just be able to step into the Republicā€™s shoes, other they will have to fight to gain control. They cannot just walk into the role of the Republic like the Emperor did in ROTS. So the situation is entirely different. If Leia can raise a fleet in time, they could still stop the First Order from gaining any real power in the remains of the Republic and many of the Republic world will likely form a new govenment on another world. There is no easy path here like the Emperor spent so many years arranging for himself. The First Order was always about conquest of the new Republic while the Empire was about subjugation of the extant old Republic.

It will not take 20 years to gather allies to fight back. It could happen in weeks or months and be realistic.

How? It took the Allies three years to mount an attack against the Axis powers in WWII, who like the FO conquered continental Europe in a matter of weeks. The allies were mostly sovereign nations with their military power intact. The Resistance is in ruins. Even if they still have allies, it takes years to form and build an organisation with a unified agenda. The weeks or months prognosis is completely unrealistic even in the GFFA.

30 million deaths on the Eastern Front say otherwise mate - our Allies in the East fought and attacked the Axis Powers throughout that period of time. And thatā€™s not taking into account aerial raids, naval engagements, and guerrilla warfare on Axis infrastructure and selected targets by the Western Allies during that period.
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Who knows where Episode IX will take us - though it wouldnā€™t be unreasonable to see Resistance adopt a guerrilla warfare style of fighting / attacking the FO (especially the FO hierarchy) if there are no additional Allies to further/bolster their cause.

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#1160140
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Mrebo said:

I share your discontent, Dre. Pretty good article, I agree with the observation that appeals to hope in the film felt hollow.

The Empire podcast was decent, not very deep but gave some insight on RJā€™s thinking. The hosts were alright but their gender political take on the film was cringy.

Letā€™s not have any more discussion of that in here mate.

Warnings have been issued - violators will be banned.

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#1159969
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Michael Ward said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes, though I donā€™t know if Iā€™d really call that fooling. Kylo shouldā€™ve known better, the Rebels werenā€™t fooled, they were inspired. Whether Leia knew something was up is open to interpretation (my guess is she ultimately knew exactly what was going on).

Her knowing would at least explain why she left the dice behind, but my opinion (just mine so everyone stay calm) is that Johnson just creates individual moments without worrying too much if they really fit together into a coherent whole.

So Poe seems to save the entire fleet from the dreadnought one moment and seems to have gotten the bomber crews all killed for nothing the next.

No, he didnā€™t get them killed for nothingā€¦ though it is said by Leia that the price paid was too high; also ā€˜Dead heroes - no leadersā€™.

And we watch the Jedi books burned up with satisfaction one moment as we know we need to move on from the past, and are relieved to see they survived later. And so on.

ā€˜Satisfactionā€™? ā€˜Relievedā€™? Maybe these were the emotions or feelings you were feeling at the time? - but possibly not othersā€™ emotions.