oojason

^ from https://imgur.com/gallery/anf06g2

Seems TLJ will end up being the best selling blu ray of 2018 in the US (was released in April):-

https://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/bluray-sales/2018

^ Solo seems to have sold well too (was released towards the end of September).
 

Edit: DVD sales of 2018 in the US - https://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/dvd-sales/2018
 

Some info on Episode IX from John Boyega in Empire magazine (in the 2nd column if people wish to read it)…

MILD SPOILER

https://twitter.com/SarcasmMother
 

‘Former Liberal Democrat leader Paddy Ashdown dies aged 77’…

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/22/former-liberal-democrat-leader-paddy-ashdown-dies-aged-77

RIP - from erasing issues to highlighting them - by strength and guile.
 

dgraham414 said:

The sheer amount of people who have hate for TLJ baffle me sometimes. And the fact that I want to be accepted makes me question my opinion of TLJ.

Also I don’t like people who take Star Wars quotes and change them to try and be relevant. For example, “You refer to the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force. You believe it’s this…editor?” - Jeremy Jahns from the trailer for Ivan Ortega’s edit of TLJ. It’s just annoying and I don’t like it, dang it.

To me it seems the people who actually hate TLJ are quite small in number - though are somewhat vocal and repetitive with that hate - across the various media platforms. (a few have seemingly done quite well out of it too).

Obviously there are more that just don’t like the film overall, or certain aspects of it - which is fair enough.

Many fans also seem to enjoy it - though probably aren’t as vocal a year on from it’s release, or looking to monetise / improve or hold onto their ‘fame’ / clicks / subscribers etc on the back of it. The internet at times can have that ability to distort reality…
 

As for Ivan Ortega’s TLJ Edit, seems many of the scenes he claims to have improved upon have already been done in the 20 or so various TLJ Edits already available on here - all freely available (as long as you own TLJ on blu ray or digital) - and without profiting from having released an Edit or endangering the fan editing community through that avarice.
 

Be great to see these two work together on a project - whether film or tv…

LordZerome1080 said:

Tonight is the premiere of Star Wars Theories’ Vader fan film.

The 3 trailers for it - 1st trailer : 2nd trailer : 3rd trailer
 

The Star Wars Theory fan film ‘Vader - Episode 1 : Shards Of The Past’ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey68aMOV9gc

A shame the fan editor chose to cast aspersions without facts and created & maintained a negative atmosphere surrounding his Edit - plus somewhat neglecting his own responsibilities and failings when the music rights/licence holders learnt he was using their IP in his Edit.

I’m sure the publicity he generated from it helped his film reach a larger audience though…

I’ll be giving his future Edits and content a miss - without facts, balance, awareness or responsibility it’s apparent to me he’ll likely create ‘much ado about nothing’ again in the future for more clicks, publicity or monetisation of his channel. And there’s more than enough of those type of negative and toxic youtubers out there already.
 

An intriguing fan film trailer that caught the eye…
 

‘Shrouded Destiny: A Star Wars Long Tale Teaser Trailer - “An Interesting Question”’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoVhG5RSN1s - a 75 second teaser at the Sarwars Starwars youtube channel.

'The first teaser trailer for the biggest Star Wars fan film in the history of fan films!

The entire team of more than 200 volunteers who worked on this with a budget of roughly $100.000 would like to thank all the fans for their continued support and hope that you’ll help us out by sharing this video on your Social Media accounts with a few words on your thoughts.

“Shrouded Destiny: A Star Wars Long Tale” is an entirely fan made endeavor with more than a few industry professionals designed to be pitched to Disney in the ambitious plan of making the groundwork laid here into a five season series for world wide streaming!

The inspiration for the series is heavily influenced by Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, The Wire, and The Raid and will be full of complex characters, rich landscapes, stories that twist and turn and dare to take you deeper than you’ve ever gone before, fantastic brutal action, and fates that will tear hearts asunder.

The year 2019 will see the completion of this 45 minutes pilot that we hope to bring to the doorsteps of Disney in the hopes of being hired, so please help this project come alive by liking:’

www.facebook.com/sarwarsstarwars : www.instagram.com/starwarslongtale : twitter.com/DestinyShrouded
 

^ cheers man 😃

both by WojtekFus at https://www.deviantart.com/wojtekfus/art/Rey-606984810 - a fair few more quality Star Wars pieces of art by him on there too.
 

Thanks Jay - for everything these past 15 years mate 😃

And good to know you’ll still be around too on the tech side (if Option 1 is the preferred choice).

Edit: and I hope very much hope you change your mind about not participating in discussions on here in the future.
 

Well in to Anchorhead and SilverWook for taking this on.
 

Re option 1… I’d be up for a monthly donation (£10 - $12/13 US) to contribute towards helping cover the costs. The site has given me so much over my time being a member here - so giving some back seems the least I can do.
 

Shopping Maul said:

It’s the fans that don’t like it…

Seems a fair few fans do like it (TLJ).
 

Shopping Maul said:

oojason said:

Shopping Maul said:

rodneyfaile said:

CRITICAL OPINION: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK‘S ORIGINAL REVIEWS
JANUARY 23, 2014

https://www.starwars.com/news/critical-opinion-the-empire-strikes-back-original-reviews

There’s some really interesting reading here - but I don’t see how this remotely resembles the reaction to TLJ. The critics cited in this article are basically writing off TESB - and Star Wars as an entity - as childish nonsense. That’s just typical movie-critic snobbery. The fans for the most part wouldn’t have given a damn, and the kids buying action figures in droves would’ve been equally oblivious.

On the other hand the critics loved TLJ. It’s the fans that don’t like it, and this is for reasons of tone and canon and story and so forth. It’s not the same thing at all IMO.

yotsuya said:

Wait for IX to come out. Absorb it. Watch the ST in its complete form and see how TLJ fits and then give us a more reasoned opinion. I bet some will change their mind as many of us did about TESB in the years since it came out.

yotsuya seemed to be saying that some people’s opinions may change or evolve on TLJ when the Sequel Trilogy is complete - and viewed in a different context to what it is now - in a Trilogy only two-thirds finished.

He didn’t seem to be comparing the levels of criticism to both Empire and TLJ - just that some people’s opinions may have changed after Jedi was released and time was taken to reevaluate the Original Trilogy as a whole.

Seems reasonable, that.

rodneyfaile just helpfully posted some additional reviews on Empire he found - doesn’t seem either he or yotsuya were comparing the differences between fan reviews and those of ‘professional’ film critics either.
 

I just think it’s a bit of a ‘Flying Spaghetti Monster’ argument. I’ve seen bad reviews of Citizen Kane. It doesn’t mean I’m going to extrapolate that Transformers Revenge of the Fallen might someday be lauded as genius because Citizen Kane also got some bad reviews. The timing, tone, circumstances etc surrounding TESB are nothing like what has happened with TLJ. I think the comparison is flawed.

I don’t actually care (just like I didn’t care about critics or bad press when I was a kid) but I’d prefer we discussed the movies on their own merits without this ‘TESB was also controversial’ meme. There was no ‘space Leia’ moment in TESB. No-one felt that Luke’s character arc had been betrayed or that general Rieeken was withholding information for no good reason or that Bespin was a waste of time. Let’s stay on point.

Flying Spaghetti Monster argument? Citizen Kane? Extrapolating Revenge Of The Fallen? What…?

In the context of me saying ‘yotsuya seemed to be saying that some people’s opinions may change or evolve on TLJ when the Sequel Trilogy is complete - and viewed in a different context to what it is now - in a Trilogy only two-thirds finished’ the point has been missed by quite some distance. No worries, I’ll leave it there.

paja said:

The Cinematography of “The Empire Strikes Back” and “Return of the Jedi”
http://billsfilms.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-cinematography-of-empire-strikes.html

I recommend reading it.

What Lexx said, an intriguing read that - nice one 😃

Only the two four episodes in though The Orville is shaping up quite nicely… loving the TOS meets TNG style aesthetic and feel of inside the ship, and also the humour of the show too.
 

ps - do not litter on the beach, nice one.
 

Shopping Maul said:

rodneyfaile said:

CRITICAL OPINION: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK‘S ORIGINAL REVIEWS
JANUARY 23, 2014

https://www.starwars.com/news/critical-opinion-the-empire-strikes-back-original-reviews

There’s some really interesting reading here - but I don’t see how this remotely resembles the reaction to TLJ. The critics cited in this article are basically writing off TESB - and Star Wars as an entity - as childish nonsense. That’s just typical movie-critic snobbery. The fans for the most part wouldn’t have given a damn, and the kids buying action figures in droves would’ve been equally oblivious.

On the other hand the critics loved TLJ. It’s the fans that don’t like it, and this is for reasons of tone and canon and story and so forth. It’s not the same thing at all IMO.

yotsuya said:

Wait for IX to come out. Absorb it. Watch the ST in its complete form and see how TLJ fits and then give us a more reasoned opinion. I bet some will change their mind as many of us did about TESB in the years since it came out.

yotsuya seemed to be saying that some people’s opinions may change or evolve on TLJ when the Sequel Trilogy is complete - and viewed in a different context to what it is now - in a Trilogy only two-thirds finished.

He didn’t seem to be comparing the levels of criticism to both Empire and TLJ - just that some people’s opinions may have changed after Jedi was released and time was taken to reevaluate the Original Trilogy as a whole.

Seems reasonable, that.

rodneyfaile just helpfully posted some additional reviews on Empire he found - doesn’t seem either he or yotsuya were comparing the differences between fan reviews and those of ‘professional’ film critics either.
 

‘Penny Marshall, film director and star of Laverne and Shirley, dies aged 75’…

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/dec/18/penny-marshall-dead-film-director-tv-star
 

yotsuya said:

Ah… I finally found something with meat to it. Rather than just recollections, this article did research and pulled up actual fan reactions from TESB in 1980. Sure, today it is the gold standard of Star Wars for many, but what did people think when it was the dark sequel to an insanely popular movie. Well, fan letters published in Starlog reveal a lot of that.

http://www.acriticalhit.com/fans-react-empire-strikes-back-1980/

Reading this I can imagagine if modern social media had existed back then. I still remember my reaction. For the longest time TESB was the movie to watch between the amazing Star Wars and the incredible ROTJ. It was the Star TRek III to II and IV - the middle of a great story. Eventually I came around. But I see that same genius in TLJ. The characters are put through the ringer and come out the other side wiser for the experience. They handed TLJ to a good character writer who took where they started in TFA and carried on the story. It was written before we ever saw TFA. Before fans built up expectations. Lucas always waited until after one film came out to write the next, but the have been on a faster schedule and so TLJ was written when TFA was still in production and a few things about TFA were changed. And the more I look at the presented issues, the more I realize that all the big issues are not with TLJ, but with the setup in TFA that TLJ delivers on what was promised. Han gave us the concise narrative of Luke in TFA and TLJ didn’t deviate at all. This trilogy is driven by the fall of Ben Solo and the rise of Kylo Ren. Luke in exile, Leia and Han at odds and back to their old roles, everything was setup by Abrams in TFA.

When you think about May 1980, fans didn’t know what to expect. The had the novel and movie of Star Wars (with the published script to keep the movie fresh in lieu of home video). But in 1979, the got three new Star Wars novels as well as the Marvel comic that kept the story going. What came out in May 1980 was nothing like any of those. Irvin Kershner directed his typical people driven story with a script by the legendary Leigh Bracket with changes by Lawrence Kasdan and the original story by George Lucas. It took he wave of success that Star Wars ended with and dumped the characters into turmoil that didn’t end with the end credits. Many didn’t like the direction. Many didn’t believe that Vader was really Luke’s father. And who was this other Yoda spoke of? It was not the film people expected and they griped about it. There really wasn’t a platform for that voice to drown out the box office results. But it was there. And now we have the ST continuing the story and TLJ is the middle chapter and took a similar character based approach and also ended on a dark note. Though this time a beloved character wasn’t just in carbonite, he was dead. Well, as dead as a Jedi gets in Star Wars since he is expected to be back in the next film. And there were more characters to follow (TLJ has three stories instead of two). But the parallel in reaction is fascinating. And we have one of our own who never took to TESB, at least from what I hear. Mike Verta is a fan of Star Wars - as in the 1977 film only. I’m sure he isn’t alone. But most of us who watched the films when they came out have had our opinions change over time and I’m sure that will happen to TLJ as well. I personally love it and wouldn’t change anything. I don’t expect everyone to share that opinion, but saying TLJ ruined the saga, that is subverted expectations, that it threw out Abrams mystery boxes, etc. is just the initial reaction. Wait for IX to come out. Absorb it. Watch the ST in its complete form and see how TLJ fits and then give us a more reasoned opinion. I bet some will change their mind as many of us did about TESB in the years since it came out.

Really enjoying reading the linked article - nice one, yotsuya.

Kind of intriguing to some parallels two-thirds into this trilogy in the context of comparing it to two-thirds through the OT…

You make some salient points re this Sequel Trilogy not yet being finished - it hasn’t yet been absorbed and thought over, reevaluated - the time taken to go over it’s form as a whole as we have done with the previous trilogies… it’ll possibly be even quite some time after the release of IX that many of us will look at the films that made up this particular trilogy in such a way.

Bring on IX 😃
 

Will be certainly interesting to come back to this thread in a couple of years or so. Of course, this trilogy - and IX - has the added weight of likely being the final chapter (for some time, anyway) of the main Star Wars saga too…
 

^ Does look a pretty sweet Tie Fighter that, too 😃

I remember getting the battle-damage stickers along with the Palitoy X-Wing as a kid - difficult choices back then as a kid - to use them or not…
 

Someone’s cool uncle on reddit made his nephew this…

^ toy section from catalogue (Argos?) in 1985…

a lot more non-Star Wars toys and games from the same catalogue here - https://imgur.com/gallery/YLkDDpd
 

Well in the pair of you 😃
 

pleasehello said:

DrDre said:

I would agree with the self-reliant part, but I would not say that she’s all that confident, or believes in herself. She searching for an identity, and freely admits she doesn’t understand what’s happening to her. Her running off to save Kylo from Snoke is as brash and reckless as Luke’s attempt to save his friends from Vader’s clutches in TESB, only somehow Luke ends up hanging upside down below a city in the clouds minus one limb praying to be saved, while Rey conveniently escapes in Snoke’s shuttle, and arrives in time to save her friends with an awesome display of the Force.

This is one of my biggest problems with the sequel trilogy. It’s not necessarily Rey’s quick grasp of Jedi techniques or that she’s overpowered. It’s that she (the main protagonist of the movies) is never, ever, ever in trouble. She’s never in a situation in which she needs the help of her friends.

Never, ever, ever in trouble? 😉

For TFA, until she ‘let in the Force’ during the saber battle with Kylo it looked like she was lost… Nor did it look great during the interrogation scene with Kylo before that (as well as being somewhat easily captured by him in the forest - being frozen mid-air).

The Throne Room with Snoke in TLJ - completely out of her depth and about to be easily killed until Kylo turns against his master, and seemed to me she was in trouble vs the many Guards until she teamed up with Kylo against them. She required Luke’s help to teach her what the Force was actually about, prior to this.