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#1343246
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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If the dark side is meant to represent the authentic human emotions that we often repress, like fear or anger, then I disagree. It’s the denial and repression of these emotions within us that leads to people becoming evil. If people were to acknowledge their inner dark side and have a healthy relationship with it, then that is perhaps what balance means.

You, IMO, have kernels of right, but you’re far off the mark. It’s not just repressing these emotions that leads to the dark side- it’s embracing them and feeding them. Feeling rage or jealousy or fear is natural, but the problem comes when you feed those emotions. This is something George addresses in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68dvgRT3Kx8

Force-wise, the idea is to recognize them, feel them, understand that they’re a part of you, but not letting them control you.

Here’s my view on the force, from a post I made a bit ago elsewhere, including my citations.

You can’t destroy the dark side. It’s a natural part of all life. It’s death, it’s rage, and sorrow, and doubt, and greed. It’s entropy. That’s the Lesson of The Cave. There’s potential for great darkness in all of us, and it must be confronted and understood. (Sources: The Clone Wars, Rebels, The Last Jedi.)

While balance is in the center, so to speak, the center is not using equal amounts of both, or their being equal numbers of Jedi and Sith. A good case study in why this is not so is The Bendu; the Bendu is basically a parable about why actively seeking to be in between the light and the dark isn’t enlightened. He’s wise, and he’s powerful, but he’s also indifferent to the suffering of others and can be thrown into a murderous rage with light goading. All he cares about is himself. He is, as he so often claims, the rock in the river, and it is so very easy to dislodge a rock and send it hurtling downstream. (Source: Rebels)

The dark side will consume everything if not opposed, (source: Age of Republic: Qui-Gon Jin), so it must be opposed. The light seeks balance; the dark seeks only further darkness.

Take Mortis, for example: while it’s said that both siblings are needed for balance, there’s a trap on taking that at immediate face value. The Sister, the representative of the light, seeks only to maintain balance. She’s a dutiful servant of her Father. The Brother, the representative of the Dark, however, seeks to disrupt the balance. He is an inherently destabilizing agent. Regardless of whether you think Mortis actually happened or not, this is something worth considering. (Source: The Clone Wars). Also, for the record, Dave Filoni wrote but never implemented a scene where the force priestesses

The easiest comparison to make comes from the old Episode III novelization (a fantastic read that I highly recommend). It compares them to literal light and darkness.

When you remove the light in a room, darkness immediately swallows the whole thing. However, no matter how much light you bring into that room, you will never eradicate the darkness entirely, because by virtue of being there, you cast a shadow.

You will never be able to eradicate rage or sorrow or death or war or greed, but you should accept that they’re there, and you should not bend to them. You should not let them control you. That’s balance. The tension created by life resisting this cosmic entropy, this cosmic draw towards our worst impulses and base instincts.

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#1343215
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s a weird idea: change 3PO’s line about the OLD Republic banning speaking Sith to the NEW Republic. (Maybe have to remove “I believe” since it’d be recent.)

Idea is that it’d make the hindrance due to recent hubris or myopia, and remove a slight implication that Palpatine being a Sith would have been in and of itself unacceptable in the days leading up to the Empire. (Like the novelization of ROTS maintaining that belonging to the religion Sith isn’t a crime.)

As a counterpoint, the Sith have a history of being a conquering and slaveholding empire. It absolutely makes sense for the Galactic Republic, which only formed after the Old Republic collapsed following a war with the Sith to ban Sith knowledge.

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#1342567
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Honestly, even as somebody who enjoys a big chunk of the movie, I HATE the ‘I am all the jedi’ line. I think that the sentiment behind it works, but it just sounds so clunky. I’d personally at least try to remove at least ‘all the’, so that it’s just ‘I… am… Jedi’, but failing that I’d find a way to remove it entirely.

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#1342222
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Peter Pan said:

omnimuffin said:

sade1212 said:

NeverarGreat said:
A potential direction would be to lean on the idea that Rey is a feral Force user who can’t distinguish what her power actually comes from. In that case when she confronts Sheev it is the first time her power is being put to the test, so it isn’t if she can defeat him but whether she can do it using only the light side that counts.

This was where I thought her character was going. After her snarl in TFA, “you went straight to the dark” in TLJ, and especially after her lightning in this movie, I felt it was clear she was using the dark side most of the time, even though she was using it to do good. After all, it is quicker, easier, and more seductive, and Rey always tended to be motivated by strong emotions. I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine. Instead we got a hilarious inversion of Luke throwing his saber away and refusing to fight: she force pulls a SECOND saber into her other hand, allowing her to more effectively EXPLODE Palpatine’s FACE.

I mean, is that what happened?

All Rey did was block/defend himself in that scene. Palpatine was killed by his own hubris, not Rey.

She deflected the lightning back at him, while walking at him. She could have deflected the lightning in any direction. To say that Palpatine killed himself is in my opinion as if to say that someone who threw a grenade at you and died of the explosion of said grenade, because you threw it back, committed suicide.
I’ll admit the comparison is a tad bit more extreme, but that’s roughly how I feel about Palpatine’s death.

You’re right, that IS an extreme (and ridiculous) comparison, especially since we have no evidence that you CAN deflect Force Lightning in any direction but towards the caster with a lightsaber (iirc, at least), since it’s reflected back at the caster every time it happens.

Anyway, meant to respond to this part in the original post…

I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine.

Do you mean, like, ‘All you want is for me to hate, but I won’t. Not even you?’

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#1342197
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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sade1212 said:

NeverarGreat said:
A potential direction would be to lean on the idea that Rey is a feral Force user who can’t distinguish what her power actually comes from. In that case when she confronts Sheev it is the first time her power is being put to the test, so it isn’t if she can defeat him but whether she can do it using only the light side that counts.

This was where I thought her character was going. After her snarl in TFA, “you went straight to the dark” in TLJ, and especially after her lightning in this movie, I felt it was clear she was using the dark side most of the time, even though she was using it to do good. After all, it is quicker, easier, and more seductive, and Rey always tended to be motivated by strong emotions. I was really hoping for an “I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment where she finds a light side way to defeat Palpatine. Instead we got a hilarious inversion of Luke throwing his saber away and refusing to fight: she force pulls a SECOND saber into her other hand, allowing her to more effectively EXPLODE Palpatine’s FACE.

I mean, is that what happened?

All Rey did was block/defend herself in that scene. Palpatine was killed by his own hubris, not Rey.

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#1341429
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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idir_hh said:

Your right it wasn’t explicit, but it sure was the implication. I think the team at lucasfilm were reluctant to commit to any one explanation, they probably decided to stick to the clone route with the novelisation after backlash from the fans who (rightfully) also got he implication that the Palpatine that was in the film was the same one from ROTJ.

They never mention recovering a body at all, and more than one page, IIRC, mentions cloning, so I’m not sure how that’d work. The book is extremely, weirdly careful to avoid spoiling the ‘Palpatine is leading the Sith Eternal’ twist (given that it’s at the beginning of the movie, lol), only ever mentioning that the Sith Eternal are doing wack shit with sorcery and technology and that they’re lead and/or snoke was created by an ‘unseen master’.

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#1341412
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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idir_hh said:

Just skimmed through the TROS visual dictionary and lo and behold it explicitly says that the Sith loyalists took Palpatines body to Exogol and through “Science and occult” they brought him back to life.
Lucasfilm can’t decide which is it, clone or alive?
What happened to “an interconnected and consistent Canon”.
Such a shame, they’ve just thrown in the towel I guess.

i recognize this post is from like, weeks upon weeks ago but also: the TROS visual dictionary does NOT say that; it mentions that they’ve been fucking around with cutting edged science and the occult, but at NO point does it ‘explicitly says that the Sith loyalists took Palpatines body to Exogol and through “Science and occult” they brought him back to life’

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#1341398
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Depending on acting quality, if somebody was hoping to elaborate more on clone-related stuff with Palpatine, the Dark Empire radio dramas might be helpful there.

On that note, if somebody was hoping to dub over ‘Final Order’ with ‘Sith Eternal’, one of Palpatine’s voice lines in Battlefront 2 includes the word ‘eternal’.

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#1340780
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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idir_hh said:

The way Disney is so adamant on not releasing any deleted scenes is very strange, do they have something to hide? Was Palps added late in the game? Rey Palpatine?
What do you guys think.

I mean, that’d be tricky, since we first learned he was coming back as early as April 2019, and we were getting what later became confirmed leaks after that about his role (and Rey’s).

They also didn’t release any deleted scenes immediately with TFA, did they? They released them with a later 3D release.

The other weird thing is like, we know that it’s not that they don’t want us to SEE the deleted scenes, because several of them are present in the two novelizations and the comic adaption.

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#1339615
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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https://wetransfer.com/downloads/88c1f52cf04aec5372ec9ac2e50fd74020200501173433/b3b471

There’s the raw files. I’m not entirely satisfied with how the voice sounds, but it’s better than the original clip, haha.

Anybody can use them, so long as they drop me a line before they release whatever they’re about to do, or credit me at least a little, haha.

Related: Have y’all considered trying to replace the ‘final order’ mention with ‘sith eternal’?

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#1339607
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Hey, I’m not sure if this interests any of you guys, but a bit ago, I edited a clip of Ian, from an interview, where he mentioned on of his cut lines- specifically, Kylo was to accuse him of being a clone, and he would have responded ‘more than a clone, less than a man’.

https://voca.ro/kgwcZdc8MYl

I was thinking that somebody could try and find a way to work it into their discussions, early in the movie? We have (admittedly masked) clips of Kylo talking about clones, so it could be doable? If you’re interested, I can upload the raw audacity file.