omnimuffin

sherlockpotter said:

Burbin said:

I don’t see the problem with Pryde saying Palpatine & co. “conjured legions of Star Destroyers”, I don’t think he means that they literally materialized the ships out of thin air. It’s just a riposte to that other officer calling them “conjurers”, he’s simply stating they have brought forth a large & previously unknown fleet, as if being “conjured”.

In any rate I don’t think Pryde would be privy to the inner machinations of the Sith Eternal and their ‘fleet conjuring rituals’, so I don’t see how this line could be read as him explaining the origin of the Sith Fleet.

On the other hand, Kylo was the only person who even went to Exegol (as far as we know), so all any of them would know is what Kylo told them. Why would Kylo, in his official report, say that Palps had “conjured” Star Destroyers if he hadn’t? I’ve always interpreted as Pryde being literal (not to mention, it’s the closest thing the original film offered to an explanation for the Sith Fleet’s existence).

Personally, I’m not super concerned about this either way. If Pryde/the script wants to say that the Sith Fleet was conjured…fine, whatever. It’s not the stupidest thing in the film by a long shot. But if Ascendant does want to downplay that whole aspect…like Chase said, it would probably be more in line with that goal to trim the line.

This feels like one of those things where people are going out of their way to assume the absolute worst possible interpretation of something that happened in the movie. Nothing about the movie implies that the ships were literally conjured, and arguing that it does feels like arguing in bad faith.

Plus, the intel from Hux that Poe shares outright states that they’ve been BUILDING the fleet for years.

oviniboy said:

sherlockpotter said:

https://pastebin.com/tYaTjv1z
https://streamable.com/cmoyve

i’m all up to adding EVERY SINGLE SHOT (alright not every one of them, but some, mostly the stablishing shots) of this for two reasons: first, it’s f*cking beautiful; second, it slows down the pacing, making a little room to breath
so… maybe?

Yeah. I’m all for adding as much of this as humanly possible.

Master Lawdog said:

CamSMurph said:

Will the epic force ghost ending be updated in any way based on jon_h’s recent progress? 😃

I do hope he gets back and exports the V3 that adds Leia, Qui-Gon, Mace Windu and Ahsoka.

Also, I don’t know how possible it is to have Anakin be portrayed by Sebastian Shaw instead of Hayden Christensen.

Is this viewable anywhere? It sounds really cool.

CamSMurph said:

omnimuffin said:

CamSMurph said:

Hey HAL, I was just wondering — why did you change Ben’s mode of transport in the climax? 🤔

Oh, I can answer that! Previous stuff has established that standard TIE fighters don’t have hyperdrives.

The supplimental stuff retcons that this specific TIE is an experimental TIE scout with a hyperdrive, but that’s clearly a post-facto rationalization.

Hence, swapping it for something that DOES have a hyperdrive.

I see. But I don’t think the original film explains how he got off the Death Star ruins. 🤨

I mean, it’s clearly meant to be that he salvaged a TIE. I don’t really think it needs to explain more than that; the problem here is that they chose a TIE that doesn’t make any sense, not that the movie lets you realize he salvaged a TIE on your own.

CamSMurph said:

Hey HAL, I was just wondering — why did you change Ben’s mode of transport in the climax? 🤔

Oh, I can answer that! Previous stuff has established that standard TIE fighters don’t have hyperdrives.

The supplimental stuff retcons that this specific TIE is an experimental TIE scout with a hyperdrive, but that’s clearly a post-facto rationalization.

Hence, swapping it for something that DOES have a hyperdrive.

Movies Remastered said:

EDIT: Also, If that is Kylo’s Shuttle, Why would he park it so far away from the battle? Doesn’t seem right, imo

In my head, I’d thought that he’d been searching in the castle, but discovered that whatever he was looking for wasn’t there, and then went out into the Fen, attacking the cultists who had moved it.

Hal 9000 said:

Just sent the auralnauts a cordial message asking if they’d be at all interested.

It seems like if we did redub 3PO, it would open the question of how Kylo knew to go to Endor. Although, honestly… it’s hard to care too much about it anyway. The film doesn’t answer this other than allowing one to guess Kylo also had it translated. It does, however, establish then and there that Kylo “know[s] where she’s going” at least. That would be missing from this cut. It seems like the cost for reinstating it here would be to also reinstate the premature reveal that Chewie is alive.

Another issue is that 3PO translating the inscription doesn’t give the characters any solid information. In the theatrical, it provided important information and the heroes had to have both that knowledge and the blade itself. In this proposed plot revision, they would essentially only learn that they… need to get the blade back. All they’d learn is that Rey needs to tap into darkness somehow. Feels a little muddy.

It does seem like this muddies the movie more than it cleans it up. Personally, I’d just accept the doofy Goonies-style treasure clues as a cheesy but essential element of the movie and leave that portion relatively intact, because much of the movie is structured around them.

jarbear said:

No worries. I’ve done it too, thought I was missing something.

That was the beauty of the originals … time/travel time were left ambiguous. We were not given timers … since that would cause all sorts of issues to try and "make it 100% logical/explainable for science/laws/etc. How long did it take the crew to get to Alderan? We aren’t told. How long did it take the crew to get to Cloud city without a hyperdrive? We don’t know. Those scenes were split up with other scenes/locations that gives “the illusion of time” occurring. Simple and works.

That’s why I appreciate the removal of the “timer” in this edit about the “Palpy fleet attack.” Again, like the Last Jedi we are told things happening in hours and the “hero’s” are all traveling and doing things “within hours” and makes it … unbelievable. Also, the light speed skipping breaks “the rules/laws” from ANH. Heck, it breaks the movie before it it’s rule on how it works. LOL it was just bad, period.

It’s bad to make a created story that tells you at the beginning “Oil and Water do not mix” and then later show water mixing with oil." Takes you out of that world the author/creator is creating. A big no-no in story telling.

Also Jonh, again, great work with the haircut. Comparing it with the original “wig” it’s night and day difference.

As a giant dork, I am legally compelled to note that the canon reason it doesn’t break the ANH rules is that the ‘skips’ are precalculated at the outset, before any jump takes place.

jarbear said:

omnimuffin said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

sidshady12 said:

It is an interesting thing to think about - how far did they go on their first light speed jump? And would it make sense with the whole chances of running into a star or other debris?

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m / s

Being generous, I’m assuming he was going light speed for 3 seconds, but it might be 3.2 or something. Multiplied by 3 and converted to miles, you only get 558,847.

EDIT: nvm ships go WAY faster than the speed of light in star wars pretty sure

https://www.tor.com/2014/12/08/star-wars-how-fast-is-the-millennium-falcon/#:~:text=The Millennium Falcon’s top speed,So there we have it.

With this guys research and anaylsis, which I’m inclined to believe because for the star wars lore/movies to make sense with the distances and speeds seen then going hyper speed would be extremely faster than just normal light speed, so even 3 seconds is by no means a ‘quick/close jump.’ Did some calculations with the times this guy theorized and the falcon likely would’ve gone a couple trillion miles in just a few seconds

Well, I would say it’s Star Wars, not Star Trek, doesn’t need to be realistic as long as it keeps inner consistency within the Universe it takes place.

Honestly, it doesn’t even do that. In ANH, it explicitly only takes them a few minutes to get from Alderaan to Tatooine, which is a pretty lengthy trip based on in-universe maps. Other films clearly have longer travel times. Hyperspace travel has always, since the very beginning, moved at the speed of plot.

Where does it explicitly say that?

That’s actually my bad- after posting, I realized my memory of the scene had gotten mixed up a description of the scene somebody had said to me in conversation a bit ago. My memory is garbage.

That being said, Han enters the room, talks about how he’d thrown the Empire off their tail, and then within minutes the ship is coming up on Alderaan. It’s clearly not meant to be an extended period of time. I’d argue the scene doesn’t make any sense if it takes more than half an hour.

MalaStrana#2 said:

sidshady12 said:

It is an interesting thing to think about - how far did they go on their first light speed jump? And would it make sense with the whole chances of running into a star or other debris?

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m / s

Being generous, I’m assuming he was going light speed for 3 seconds, but it might be 3.2 or something. Multiplied by 3 and converted to miles, you only get 558,847.

EDIT: nvm ships go WAY faster than the speed of light in star wars pretty sure

https://www.tor.com/2014/12/08/star-wars-how-fast-is-the-millennium-falcon/#:~:text=The Millennium Falcon’s top speed,So there we have it.

With this guys research and anaylsis, which I’m inclined to believe because for the star wars lore/movies to make sense with the distances and speeds seen then going hyper speed would be extremely faster than just normal light speed, so even 3 seconds is by no means a ‘quick/close jump.’ Did some calculations with the times this guy theorized and the falcon likely would’ve gone a couple trillion miles in just a few seconds

Well, I would say it’s Star Wars, not Star Trek, doesn’t need to be realistic as long as it keeps inner consistency within the Universe it takes place.

Honestly, it doesn’t even do that. In ANH, it explicitly only takes them a few minutes to get from Alderaan to Tatooine, which is a pretty lengthy trip based on in-universe maps. Other films clearly have longer travel times. Hyperspace travel has always, since the very beginning, moved at the speed of plot.

Edit: my recollection of this scene was off. Still, as I say below, my point remains.

The AI Voicegen stuff works very well with voices that already have effects on them, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeNNRnCQNGQ

It’d be good for a Kylo modification, but not a Palpatine one.

macesmajored said:

TK251 said:

Google drive recently patched the copy feature. If I remember correctly they only let 1TB be downloaded for a specific file in 24 hours.

What a bummer! It appears none of the usual Drive download workarounds are functioning for me either. I can always wait a bit more, hopefully in a week or so the download rush has subsided! 😕

I found that if you go a folder up and just download the entire containing folder, it’ll work.

JakeRyan17 said:

The experimental tracking system that was heavily delayed and was a massive system on command ships becomes small enough to fit in a TIE cockpit, and even more efficient to actively track an enemy ship as it teleports from planet to planet to planet… all in less time it took to develop the previously-assumed to be impossible technology it was based on.

Why didn’t the iPhone 12 Pro Max come out in 1995?

You’re assuming the ships were being tracked from the TIEs, rather than the ship that deployed them.

JakeRyan17 said:

Brewzter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:
My problem with the sequence isn’t the speeds, but rather the fact that the TIEs can follow the falcon through lightspeed.

I don’t understand the issue with this, it seems perfectly reasonable to me for technology to develop over the course of the timeline. For example, in the PT era, Anakin could only get a metal hand but by the time of the OT era, Luke could get a real-looking prosthetic. So I don’t see why hyperdrives couldn’t be progressed into being small/cheap enough for a TIE fighter.

So, things progress more in one year than the previous half century? Damn! Those TIE fighters got upgraded more than flagships?

I mean, TFA/TLJ-era Special Forces TIEs have hyperdrives. It’s not all that bizarre for them to become more widespread, especially because if you look closer, they’re actually TIE Whispers - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/TIE_whisper_starfighter

Also, that IS the pace at which real technology advances sometimes, lol.

My instinct is to point out that Lightspeed Skipping doesn’t actually go against how it works, because the jumps are pre-programmed, but I get the spirit of the thought, that it’s poorly implimented and poorly explained.

21C Peasant said:

For anyone interested, this is my latest work on the intro to the Battle of Mustafar. This is a major improvement over my last effort to include Vader’s castle. To me, this gives clear context as to where exactly this scene is taking place (on Mustafar, near Vader’s fortress), because in the theatrical version, it is entirely unclear unless you have read the novelization.

The additional music is from the original piece that John Williams composed for the opening scene but was not used. I have already inserted this into my own edit of TROS.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wJJQbeg9kM6EoLf2dNer0AIt6VLz_8oH/view?usp=sharing

Ack, I was hoping to take a look at it but it’s gone now.

Ed Slushie said:

Idea for a way to tie the saga together: Adding audio from Jedi: Fallen Order and CW03 to the voices-of-Jedi-past scene to make Rey become a Jedi Knight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ULkOBIs4bU&feature=youtu.be

I like this, but cut without the Yoda line at the end? It’s a little more subtle if it’s just ‘by the right of the council, by the will of the force’, with no, ‘dub thee, i do’, etc.

Anakin Starkiller said:
Imo, it doesn’t violate anything. Palpatine isn’t living forever, he’s just Voldemorting; cheating death in little bits at a time, slowly losing his humanity in the process. He hasn’t conquered death, only stalled it.

I agree, honestly. Even with that’s just shown in the movie, it’s clear that this is not a permanant solution, and I suspect that his soul have rotted through Ben or Rey in time, too, or even his healed body towards the end.

Y’know, if we’re debating lightning color changes, shouldn’t we be making the lightning more purple, like it was during the OT?

jarbear said:

Not sure if Hal you care about this, but I certainly would like to remove all the “random” voices during that “Jedi chatter” scene and not specifically for canon reasons.

Fan edits do not need to follow cannon since … well, any change to a movie breaks the cannon anyway, but for the audience watching the movies and hearing a bunch of “random” voices that were not heard in the previous movies is jarring … to me at least thinking of the “average” movie watcher going from Episode 1 to 9.

(I agree with the others here about not having the other Jedi voices in that scene since … pre disneyified “canon” that only a couple of Jedi were able to do so via special training that was explicitly mentioned in Revenge of the Sith … but Disney already broke that logic/canon with Palps. Sith cannot live on prior to Disney… which is why Plagius was trying to find a way to reverse dying and live on but was cut short by Palps. Plus, George Lucus explicitly said Sith were not able to obtain it, just the Jedi via their absolute selflessness which made it ironic the Sith who wanted to live forever could never obtain it via the dark side … only the light side for the side who do not care about themselves. But we know what happened, RJ decided “Hey, Sith live on too! They just keep going to the next body” which then kills the whole narrative of Revenge of the Sith. That concludes my TED talk.)

Wait, why are you blaming Rian Johnson for that? Rian Johnson didn’t do that, lol. Rian Johnson was not involved in bringing back Palpatine, lol.

On the subject: Sith can’t persist as bodyless spirits, but they can persist if bound to objects or host bodies (and host bodies is something literally only Palpatine has ever achieved, and only through what he’d learned from Plaguis before turning on him), though it’s an extremely unpleasant ‘existence’.

Anyway, there’s a difference between reaching into the netherworld of the force and making brief contact with old friends, long gone, than a ghost manifesting in the material world, a la what Obi-Wan, Yoda, and eventually Luke and Leia learned.

Let me dream, okay!

idir_hh said:

Well this is coming out in December, so maaybe there’s a chance they re-release TROS with the deleted scenes then?

I mean, we DID eventually get TFA deleted scenes. We can dream, can’t we?

God, I wish so badly that we had the Eye of Webbish Bog scenes to put in the movie.

One also can’t discount the huge effect Marcia Lucas had on ANH and ROTJ.

EddieDean said:

Welp, that totally puts that whole train of speculation to bed.

To be fair, I suppose we do have to acknowledge that Vader-as-father only came in an early ESB script, and Leia-as-sister only existed as an idea for ROTJ, so Star Wars does kind of have this ‘laying the tracks before the train’ approach.

But still, I don’t think that justifies this lack of oversight and planning for what should have been a cohesive trilogy from the start.

EU media will gradually embed Palpatine-as-grandfather in the canon more solidly, but personally I’ll always prefer Rey Nobody, especially knowing how little it mattered to the production team.

All valid points. I very much get where they got the impulse to freewheel it- not wanting to tie themselves down and wanting to recapture some of the ‘free’ atmosphere of the original trilogy, which, like you said, was equally freewheeled original trilogy. It was definitely a mistake.