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kewlfish said:

omnimuffin said:

kewlfish said:

StarkillerAG said:

Are we still determined to keep the “silenced all communication” thing from Trevorrow’s script? I feel like it doesn’t have much relevance here, and it’s contradicted by Lando’s message reaching the entire galaxy.

I think the novel uses this to explain why there are so few members of the Resistance and how the First Order gained so much territory in the year since TLJ. And it gives a little bit of weight to Poe’s comment to Zori about no one listening, it wasn’t because they weren’t listening it’s because the First Order stopped them from listening.

It does; it actually says that there ARE other major Resistance groups, but the First Order’s near-total control over communication makes connecting with them and coordinating between them nearly impossible. Given that we know Hux has a cut line complaining about how ‘flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy’ as Kylo Ren chases ‘a ghost’, I suspect at some point the line about the other groups and the communication silencing was also explicitly stated within the movie.

The problem, as always, is that JJ Abrams has a fatal aversion to exposition, even when it’s desperately, desperately needed.

Man, I’ve been really on the fence about the novel but it sounds like it might be a good read.

It’s pretty solid. It’s not perfect, but at the very least it gives A LOT more context to a lot of stuff in the movie.

There are parts that work better than others, and you can kind of sometimes tell when dialogue is based on cut scenes from the movie, and when dialogue was written by the novelization author, and I don’t mean that a flattering way to the novelization author, haha.

Knight of Kalee said:

The shuttle looks awesome. The slight size increase is not jarring at all.

I believe the only time we see a TIE land on screen (in live action at least) is Moff Gideon’s fighter in The Mandalorian. But I’m pretty sure that one is a different model, since it folded its wings in order to land.

It is a different model; regular TIES just land with their wings square like they normally are. Gideon’s TIE is labelled an ‘Outland TIE’ in supporting stuff.

There’s one other model of TIE with folding wings, the TIE Advanced V1, the model used Imperial Inquisitors (this model also has a hyperdrive). It’s got curved wings, though, not flat ones.

kewlfish said:

StarkillerAG said:

Are we still determined to keep the “silenced all communication” thing from Trevorrow’s script? I feel like it doesn’t have much relevance here, and it’s contradicted by Lando’s message reaching the entire galaxy.

I think the novel uses this to explain why there are so few members of the Resistance and how the First Order gained so much territory in the year since TLJ. And it gives a little bit of weight to Poe’s comment to Zori about no one listening, it wasn’t because they weren’t listening it’s because the First Order stopped them from listening.

It does; it actually says that there ARE other major Resistance groups, but the First Order’s near-total control over communication makes connecting with them and coordinating between them nearly impossible. Given that we know Hux has a cut line complaining about how ‘flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy’ as Kylo Ren chases ‘a ghost’, I suspect at some point the line about the other groups and the communication silencing was also explicitly stated within the movie.

The problem, as always, is that JJ Abrams has a fatal aversion to exposition, even when it’s desperately, desperately needed.

krausfadr said:

JKMaxx said:

Here’s an idea, if you want to try it going forward; what if you used the final trailer’s epic rendition of the main theme, starting when Rey crosses the sabers and the ghosts lift their hands?

https://youtu.be/8Qn_spdM5Zg

It starts at about 1:26 in this video, with the “This Christmas” card.

This music never got used in the film, but I think it’s wonderfully triumphant…

Interesting idea— note the music in the trailer is heavily ducked. Perhaps there’s enough of the un-ducked parts to be useful or pristine tracks can be found somewhere else? However the music sounds more sentimental and a tad melancholy so I’m not sure yet that it fits for this scene.

Looking for this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39pbFow9gzg&list=PL9PLUrw0CbcS3PxB7OM303jZZWOJEG2Qo&index=11

kewlfish said:

Man, I’ve done a little bit of work on Mustafar… but I’m kind of coming around to not having it… the novelization really shows how much better this scene was before cutting the Pryde/Hux interaction, the Oracle, Kylo becoming more unhinged and putting the First Order’s plans on hold to find this Phantom Emperor… man it sucks we don’t have those deleted scenes

Yeah. I’d pay real money to have access to, at bare minimum, the Eye of Webbish Bog Scene with the Oracle.

StarkillerAG said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Making Ajan Kloss Naboo is much easier

Is it though? It seems like it would be even harder to make convincing. You can’t just namedrop Naboo in the opening crawl and expect it to be seamless.

I’m personally not a big fan of the idea anyway. Isn’t the Rebel base supposed to be hidden?

Yeah, putting it on Naboo seems like it would endanger the people of Naboo.

I’m liking it, though I think that the biggest problem I can see is the green still in the trees. That should be a relatively simple colour balancing fix.

A shuttle would probably be easier to convincingly cover up a TIE with, too.

jarbear said:

@Dorksyde I understand where you are coming from, but even Disney doesn’t care about Canon from their own work…

(One of the many, MANY, examples: Poe meets Rey for the first time in The Last Jedi in the movie, but in The Force Awakens Novel they meet. Again, just a small example of MANY discrepancies.)

That’s the point of these fan edits in that they don’t have to follow “Cannon.”

“We” Make these edits and Adjustments that makes sense in the context of the movie or the trilogies to “our” liking.

Sure, but folks who are really into the canon are also allowed to make canon-compliant, or at least canon-adjacent fan edits.

poppasketti said:

idir_hh said:

One thing that I can’t unsee is the road with the few cars on the top left corner of the forest.

Removed the road/cars from the shot. Good call!
https://vimeo.com/419338556
pw: fanedit

Kewlfish, I can send you something later without any color correction so you can match your shots!

I do feel compelled to point out that I think your TIEs have the wrong color scheme for FO TIEs.

Edit: didn’t see that this has already been pointed out. My apologies.

Looks good otherwise!

Anakin Starkiller said:

As interesting and impressive of a task that is Jonh … I am the guy who hated everything about Rebels so anything that plays tribute to it, especially the “World between Worlds” and Time Travel crap … it’s a nope for me.

I too disliked Rebels, and hated the time travel, but the World Between Worlds itself I actually really like. It plays into the mysticism of the Force. Just because a show is bad doesn’t mean there aren’t good elements within it.

To be fair, there’s no real time travel that occurs through the World Between Worlds. It can’t be used to, say, change history, because from our perspective, any changes made – like, say, Ahsoka surviving – were always made. It’s strictly a closed loop. We see Ahsoka survive at the end of the original Malachor episodes, we watch how she survives in the World Between Worlds episode, and she’s returned to her original place and time. She isn’t pulled forward at all.

thebluefrog said:

jonh said:

force world V1
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zS27aRrvwzSQr5ph1i-WF6__QZqlWg9k

Awesome work!!! Love what you’ve done there.

May even work better without the ring, establishing the ethereal nature.

Alternatively, add a bit more space… ness to it? The simplified ring looks fine in Rebels, because it’s a simplified art style, but I think that in a realistic style, trying to go with the aesthetic Fallen Order goes with for its meditation is probably closer to the mark.

https://img.redbull.com/images/c_crop,x_150,y_0,h_1080,w_1620/c_fill,w_860,h_573/q_auto,f_auto/redbullcom/2019/11/25/057f5c4e-1741-4edc-befc-aacec23e425f/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-skill-tree

StarkillerAG said:

omnimuffin said:

Hal 9000 said:

Just noticed that, like TFA:R, TROS features a planet destruction directly following Kylo having a conversation with Han and resolving himself in a direction. Just this time it doesn’t make us feel anything.

The part of my theater experience when I could have been heard pleading, “Oh, for God’s sake!”

It doesn’t make YOU feel anything, lol.

Yeah, I felt a lot of things during that Han scene.

Blowing up Kijimi… not so much.

Yeah, I can absolutely agree on that. Kijimi was a neat world, but there wasn’t enough substance to it, and the unoriginality of what destroyed them hurts anything involving it.

Hal 9000 said:

Just noticed that, like TFA:R, TROS features a planet destruction directly following Kylo having a conversation with Han and resolving himself in a direction. Just this time it doesn’t make us feel anything.

The part of my theater experience when I could have been heard pleading, “Oh, for God’s sake!”

It doesn’t make YOU feel anything, lol.

kewlfish said:

Okay so I’m pretty new at this After Effects thing but I edited a scene for Mustafar from Rogue One. The very beginning of the scene still has a portion from where I removed the ship, but I didn’t know how much to cut (some editors like to play around with footage or maybe it could be taken away with a wipe or something). It’s only a couple of seconds but maybe it could be useful.

https://vimeo.com/418346382
password: Ascendant

This was really just a rough draft to see if I could do it, it seems kind of low quality so I might have to look into trying to find a way to clean it up a little before somebody actually uses it.

This is awesome! I absolutely want to use it in my own edit.

Alternatively, since the novelization actually places that scene aboard the Night Buzzard, with the ape-man being part of its crew, adding in an establishing shot of the Night Buzzard could be helpful in making it clear what location this actually taking place in.

I’m split on the subject, because I think that if we had the Eye of Webbish Bog scene and a solid establishing shot, then yes, I’d want it to be there, because we’d have more visible Sith cult shit happening on Mustafar. But, as it stands, it feels like the better place is Exegol, where we’ve got actual Sith cultists.

This is unlikely, but I wonder if it’s possible to manipulate the shot of the TIE Whisper and the Night Buzzard approaching the Steadfast to instead be them approaching Coruscant; combine that with a high-Res version of the ai-generated Coruscant Dolly Shot, and you could make the FO meeting take place on Coruscant, which would be rad.

I had also had some thoughts, re: Mustafar; first, if somebody wanted to try their hand at rendering a Vader’s Castle approach shot, I imagine that a rip of the models/assets from Vader: Immortal would be extremely helpful here.

Second off: I wonder what the feasibility of adding of the statues from Vader: Immortal to the bog on Mustafar would be, because it IS supposed to be sacred to her/her followers. Here’s some concept art of the statues, though a model would almost certainly be able to be pulled from the Immortal filesystem.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-znJKMA6k-/

Third, and this is less directly related to Mustafar, but I wonder if there’s a way to restructure the scenes to imply that the ‘helmet reconstruction’ scene is taking place on Exegol.

Chase Adams said:

Hal 9000 said:

Right, I was thinking about whether it’d be better saved for the end scene though. We would fade out from the base celebration, then cut to hyperspace. Since we already have the shot of the Falcon approaching the ice base and don’t necessarily need to see them exit hyperspace.

Well, I did it anyway…

I’m sure Poppasketti or someone else could do better though… 😐

Edit:

I forgot to mention but krausfadr, I sent you a PM asking for a soundbite I need from you for one of Hal’s edits. 😉

That looks really good!

kingofmonsters said:

I love D. It’s a perfect ending. But seriously, A looks great.

Anyone thought of removing the Kylo and Rey kiss? Is it possible? It just doesn’t seem right. More like Disney’s insistence on catering to both sides of the fanbase. Kylo is not a redeemable character. His arc was always going to end in death. And Rey was at his throat for most of the movie. So why kiss now? It just does not work.

I’m also rather confused about Poe and Finn’s rivalry. The seemed to have great chemistry in the the last two movies. A great friendship in the making. And now they are bickering at each other over petty things? I don’t buy it. Someone please convince me otherwise.

I think that the idea that best friends can’t bicker is hilarious. I bicker constantly with some of my closest friends.

NeverarGreat said:

StarkillerAG said:

I can’t imagine having such a violent reaction to what’s basically the cinematic equivalent of a ride at Coney Island, but you do you I guess.

Perhaps I was being a wee bit hyperbolic just then.

But really, a random movie being bad is fine, and even expected. But most random movies also don’t promise to be the epic culmination of forty-three years of storytelling and mythic adventure for at least three generations. As a point of similarity, Season 8 of Game of Thrones managed to vaporize all the interest and goodwill built up over the previous seven seasons instantly, and TROS is GOT Season 8 on steroids.

Is it, though? There’s a good chunk of the population that very much enjoyed TROS. NOBODY actually enjoyed the back half of GOT Season 8.

Delpheas said:

I personally thought that her never grieving Ben was a result of them changing the ending from ben lives to ben dies shortly before release.

Seems unlikely, since the leaks were saying he dies pretty much from the moment credible leaks starting coming out months before initial production ended.

I wish there was a way to integrate this version of Dark Rey’s outfit. It’s much cooler, lol.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWn4sKBUYAIyPAu.jpg:large

On that note, does anybody know if it’d be possible to match the concept art lighting/time of day for the Acht-to scenes?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWZcTkcVcAATQ5Y.jpg

OutboundFlight said:

I’ve been thinking a lot recently about this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aZkZNiw6XE

I think the reason it falls flat is that there is no one behind these “ships”. Compare that to Endgame, where all the characters from the past movies have arrived, and it gets emotional.

I think what should have followed the first shot of all the ships is a brief montage of various characters we can say are in this massing of ships. The problem is I can’t think of many shots of just a character in a ship. What I have right now are:
–The Nemodians from TPM
–A Naboo Star Pilot
–A Mon Cala looking like Admiral Raddus
–The Mandalorian
–Lando and Chewie

I think this would make the arrival more emotional knowing all these characters from the past nine movies are here. But I’d be happy to hear any other suggestions for more characters to use.

If you needed a generic, the interior shot from the Hammerhead in Rogue One could definitely be repurposed.

KumoNin said:

Darth Sadifous said:

jonh said:

Last version of Jedi force ghost…
https://vimeo.com/409718237
password:jedi

problem: new shots, out of sync music

Bravo! This is the closest thing we are going to get to a special edition of the sequels. Lucasfilms wishes they could have delivered something this epic for the ending. Can’t wait to see this integrated into the final film with Leia’s purple lightsaber.

This got me thinking, is someone working on exactly this - not a fanfix, but just the actual movie amplified with small changes such as these? Other changes would include the sort of shot extension that Dom has been working on to slow the pace by a few seconds, ending shot with the falcon flying off into the sunset, D-O extended squeaky wheel scene,… but no actual deletions of scenes/lines, however disagreeable they are

This is my intention, though my editing skills are… untested, at best.