omnimuffin

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

A hallmark of Star Wars is a constantly changing sense of continuity. There’s nothing smooth about it. The EU are nanobots trying to heal somebody constantly being injured in all manner of ways. You can appreciate the effort and do some of it in your own head, but the ST renewed the franchise’s commitment to never planning ahead and constantly retconning everything.

Applauds loudly

Who cares about “canon” when doing fan edits. Part of fan edits is to fix issues. So let’s be real, even before Disney stepped in with their “Let’s not plan anything and see what happens” approach Star Wars cannon had some blaring holes and inconsistencies. And no, I don’t want to turn this into a general discussion thread but the idea of adhering to “canon” is silly and not going to happen with this edit.

Plus, just for fun and giggles, to adhere to “canon” then we would have to remove everything about Leia and training with Luke, since does not train AT ALL to be a Jedi in the canon book Bloodlines. (Just involved in politics) Boy … that’ll really mess up with the last part of the movie removing that part AND Leia’s lightsaber for the sake of canon.

See why adhering to “canon” is silly?

I just want to point out that Leia’s training had ended years before Bloodline takes place, and it doesn’t actually ever say that she recieved no instruction from Luke, just that she’d chosen to take the path of politics. In fact, when asked, she specifically dodges the question when asked in the book:

“If you have that ability, then I cannot imagine why you would not become a Jedi as well,” Tai-Lin finished. “Surely I’ve known few people who would make a finer Jedi Knight than you.” Leia inclined her head in gratitude for the compliment, but she could not answer right away, because she could not tell the full truth. The Force was too important a subject to be shared lightly, even with Tai-Lin, her ally and friend.

There are contradictions in the new canon, but this ain’t one of them.

Burbin said:

• Kylo frees himself of the oppression of his Master Snoke, except now he just works for another evil mastermind.

I do feel compelled to point out that Kylo makes it abundantly clear that he’s just using Palpatine for his resources and will almost certainly betray him at the first available opportunity.

KYLO REN: Palpatine wants you dead.

REY: Serving another master?

KYLO REN: No. I have other plans.

jarbear said:

Disney Star Wars canon can be described as Swiss cheese.

Ehhh. It’s been, save for production errors (editor notes not getting passed on corrrectly, etc), the changes to the the Siege of Mandalore Arc, and JJ not giving a shit re: Poe’s backstory, pretty consistent, IMO. Nothing on the scale of… say, Dark Empire 1 completely ignoring that Leia already had two children because Timothy Zahn wouldn’t let Dark Empire be set prior to the Thrawn Trilogy and thus it having to be moved after the Thrawn Trilogy last second, or Dawn of the Jedi prominently featuring Twi’Leks and Xabraks thousands of years before either species came into existence.

At there very least, there’s been much less need for post-facto patchup jobs, like the Essential Reader’s Companion acted as (bless Pablo Hidalgo, lol. Legends would have been infinitely less functional without his hand in it,) and it’s felt overall much more thematically consistent to me, but you’re entitled to your opinion. Legends continuity only looks clean if you read it on Wookiepedia or in one of the guides. I love it to death, but without the smooth-over jobs done by Pablo and co, it’s… well, it’s like swiss cheese.

StarkillerAG said:

Not to derail the thread, but I’d like to share my opinion on the whole lightsaber thing.

I agree with Rian’s sentiments, in theory. Lightsabers aren’t as mythically important as JJ made them out to be, and destroying the Skywalker saber was a great choice that symbolized the whole “letting go of the past” theme. I just don’t like how Rian went the complete opposite direction, treating the saber like a joke. With Luke throwing it over his shoulder, the CGI puffins playing with it, and Luke calling it a “laser sword” later on, it feels like an important element of Star Wars being treated like trash. Lightsabers aren’t sacred, but they aren’t a joke either.

But I do wish that Rey used her own saber in TROS. By far the best part of Trevorrow’s discarded script was Rey building a double bladed lightsaber out of her staff. Combine that idea with the yellow blade shown at the end of TROS, and you would have a wonderful, unconventional weapon for Rey to wield in the final movie.

I’m sure I (and potentially we, my memory is terrible) have had this discussion a dozen times before, but I don’t think ‘let go of the past’ is meant to be the real message of the movie. Luke is meant to be wrong at the beginning. Kylo is meant to be wrong.

I’ve always read the message of the movie as ‘the past is flawed, but there are things from it worth saving’.

The ‘laser sword’ thing never bugged me because Anakin called em’ that in Phantom Menace, and George Lucas would call them laser swords all the time in BTS featurettes for all sorts of stuff.

natm said:

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Thought those are fine reasons and whatnot, I don’t mean to derail the conversation since it’s more on the “Man, what the heck Disney” with the sequel movies.

But still, even before all of this with the lightsaber stuff, it is still a bit silly.

Anakin went through many lightsabers. Luke lost the “skywalker” saber. Some how the saber returns (don’t get me started on the comic) and calls out to someone. And at the end? Rey buries it.

Sorry I really don’t mean to derail things, things have just been handled so … ugh.

That’s why I liked Luke throwing it away at the start of The Last Jedi, it was tossing away the silly reverence of that particular blade being special. Then it also destroyed the lightsaber (setting up Rey to start Episode IX with her own saber she built, similar to Luke at the beginning of Return of the Jedi).

But we needed more ‘member berries…

Yup. Even the original episode 9 script that was scrapped before jj came on had rey build her own double bladed saber out of her staff. I wish they had that for the actual episode 9

We know that her building the saber over the movie was part of JJ and Terrio’s original shooting script at some point, because the concept artists designed out the interior mechanics for that exact reason and outright said that it had been planned to be a recurring aspect.

Once again, an interesting concept sacrificed at the altar of JJ’s attention-deficit editing style, haha.

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

We also know that the original “actors” weren’t actors so much as stand-ins for later.

Also, no one knew that Moffat’s Gideon had the Darksaber until he pulled it out. It’s quite portable. Also, who knows, maybe she didn’t acquire it until sometime in the years between that flashback and a year after TFA/TLJ takes place.

I just feel portraying it as an impossible plot hole is a bit much.

That’s a valid point.

That said, the scripts do not make her feel like a very good villain, haha.

Probably because we don’t have the script that actually features her to determine.

Even if we had the script, she would probably still seem like a last-minute afterthought. Trevorrow has never been good at writing compelling villains, and the plot outline that was posted doesn’t feature her much at all. She shows up for the final fight, dies, and that’s her entire screen time. She feels like Darth Maul 2.0.

I’m not gonna doubt it, but it seems weird to be so definitive when we don’t have the script, only secondhand reports.

As much as I absolutely despise linking to his website, we do have a credible (but disgusting) leaker’s notes on it:

https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/i-read-colin-trevorrow-and-derek-connollys-final-star-wars-episode-ix-script/

(my reluctance linking to it comes from the fact that the proprietor of Making Star Wars is an absolute creep who doesn’t deserve the clicks/traffic monetization money.

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

To address an idea from Dom’s thread: I will more than likely end up releasing the regular (Rey Palpatine) version before a Rey Nobody version. In case there’s some huge issue that gets glossed over, I’d rather just fix one than two!

That makes sense … things always come up.

I was thinking about things … well, mainly how Disney screwed the pooch with Star wars sequel trilogy, that the whole “Skywalker Family Saber” arc is quite silly-er. Especially with Rey being a palpatine, the scene in TFA makes even less sense … why would the saber call out to a palpatine?

Anyway, nothing to do with this edit specifically … just how … disconnected these movies are and add things that just don’t makes sense.

Sigh.

Because it’s an artifact with a lengthy history of being used by powerful force users and a living, force-sensitive crystal inside it, and that’s the sort of thing that calls out to force users, even ones with primarily latent talents, especially ones with an important destiny?

There are a bunch of valid complaints to make about the sequel trilogy, but this seems like a non-starter to me.

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

We also know that the original “actors” weren’t actors so much as stand-ins for later.

Also, no one knew that Moffat’s Gideon had the Darksaber until he pulled it out. It’s quite portable. Also, who knows, maybe she didn’t acquire it until sometime in the years between that flashback and a year after TFA/TLJ takes place.

I just feel portraying it as an impossible plot hole is a bit much.

That’s a valid point.

That said, the scripts do not make her feel like a very good villain, haha.

That’s fair, that script was far from perfect… but it was a lot better than what Abrams turned in. Like pole-vaulting over a crack in the pavement.

I really, really don’t agree. It’s not better, it’s just different bad.

There are a lot of cool elements, but there are elements so bad that they drag the rest of it deeply below the final product for me.

JakeRyan17 said:

omnimuffin said:

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

We also know that the original “actors” weren’t actors so much as stand-ins for later.

Also, no one knew that Moffat’s Gideon had the Darksaber until he pulled it out. It’s quite portable. Also, who knows, maybe she didn’t acquire it until sometime in the years between that flashback and a year after TFA/TLJ takes place.

I just feel portraying it as an impossible plot hole is a bit much.

That’s a valid point.

That said, the scripts do not make her feel like a very good villain, haha.

Skenera’s LUT is absolutely perfect.

I mostly meant that we know who all of the actors for the original Knights were and they were all male, and also that none of them had the darksaber.

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Imagine if Kylo had straight up killed Palpatine at the start and been the primary antagonist. TLJ turned all the villains into jokes, with Hux being ragdolled around, Snoke dying like Jar Jar, and Kylo throwing a tantrum at Luke. Phasma not so much, but she was wasted too, so…

Getting Kylo back on track to be a genuine threat would’ve helped raise the emotional stakes and made his evolution over the trilogy more interesting.

Unfortunately…I don’t think this is editable with current material. Probably 10 years away to be able to edit that with deepfakes and video games.

That was the intention with The Last Jedi killing Snoke, to set Kylo up as Episode IX’s main antagonist. That’s what Colin Trevorrow’s Duel of Fates did as well. I think that was the prevailing idea forward until Abrams’ came back.

Of course, Treverrow’s script didn’t handle it particuarily well either, contriving an excuse for Kylo to get an even more Vader-ey mask and having him lose the final fight because Rey becomes a bad fanfiction grey Jedi using both the light and dark, and with later revisions pulling the ‘last minute turn to the light’ and making one of the Knights of Ren (coincedentally, one that was very much not visible during the flashback in TFA, because a) she’s a woman and b) she has the darksaber) be the eleventh hour final boss.

Honestly, almost entirely based on the fact that it’s a grassland and that it has a history with Jedi Temples in the EU(and also the saga), part of me had always assumed Luke’s temple was built on Dantooine, probably near where Arca Jeth’s Enclave was in Legends continuity.

Broom Kid said:

omnimuffin said:

If anybody was looking for a less MIDI-ey version of the trailer music to use anywhere in their edit, Baltic House Orchestra did a version that seems to have been genuinely done by an, uh… Orchestra, so it might fit better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q8SLnk3BRE

That’s not an orchestra. It’s just different instrumentation plug-ins than what Kim used.

Fair enough. It sounds more real, though, at least to me.

Cinefy said:

I know everyone is satisfied with Palpatine clones being in the tank, and I very much like the addition, But I feel like the film is missing some sort of verbal confirmation/mention of how he came back. May not be away of doing that, but I think Palpatine’s return needs a couple more extra sprinkles.

[Has anyone attempted to place a vision when Kylo is on Mustafar, something with the wayfinder]

I’ve been throwing my audio edit of Ian saying ‘More than a clone, less than a man’ at y’all for weeks, lol.

https://vocaroo.com/krCqQTl0X9j

(actually download the file, the streaming version is weirdly choppy.)

If anybody was looking for a less MIDI-ey version of the trailer music to use anywhere in their edit, Baltic House Orchestra did a version that seems to have been genuinely done by an, uh… Orchestra, so it might fit better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q8SLnk3BRE

jarbear said:

kewlfish said:

Neerb said:

“Is that your hand on my thigh?”

Hal 9000 said:

I think my favorite was “Is the Falcon yours now?”

I’ve seen a lot of people talk about how Rey has claimed the Falcon for herself, but I think we just assume that because she’s a human and the main character. In the actual movies, Chewie is the only character who is on the Falcon every time it flies in the Sequels, and he’s always one of the pilots too (Rey took a gunner seat in TLJ). I’m pretty sure the Falcon belongs to Chewie, and he’s just taken in Rey as his co-pilot since that’s what Han wanted. Rey does call it “Han’s ship” in TROS and not “Chewie’s ship,” but she clearly had a lot of reverence for Han (I wouldn’t be surprised if Chewie called it that too), and at the least that’s proof that she doesn’t think of it as hers.

I don’t know how much relevance this has, but the Smuggler’s Run ride at Galaxy’s Edge has you flying the Falcon on a mission from Hando, who said he was borrowing it from Chewie, not Rey. If you take that into context I would assume that Chewie has ownership.

Hahaha, true point … but Disney canon doesn’t even follow itself.

I mean, generally speaking, it tries to, save for accidental mistakes and the occasional belligerent creator (Abrams, Wendig).

idir_hh said:

Some apparent leaks from TROS behind the scenes drama: (take with a grain of salt)
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/hn2lcu/tros_bts_details/

It’s the same nonsense. At most base, it’s wrong because it claims that the Knights of Ren actors were rehires from TFA. They weren’t. All new stunt actors. This isn’t a ‘new’ leak. Somebody else claimed this months ago, and was distinctly just as full of shit then as they are now.

The discussion of Batuu reminds me of how very surprised I was that they DIDN’T crowbar in a reference to Batuu- in particular, I was expecting an off-handed reference to having gotten help repairing the Skywalker lightsaber at Savi’s. There’s a couple of random references to Batuu in Solo, which was interesting.

Though, given that we know there were originally plans for an ongoing plot about Rey building her own saber across the movie and that, at the very least, earlier drafts of the script (and the visual dictionary) tied Rey learning to heal with her healing the Skywalker Kyber crystal, I understand why they didn’t, in this case.

idir_hh said:

I mean, weren’t the reused shots of Leia taken from interactions with characters that weren’t Rey? And even if they were using scenes with Rey why would her clothes and hair be a problem? They changed Leia’s look with CG so I don’t see how Rey a new look would have been an issue. I think we’re just rationalising the decision to rehash her TFA look. Worst case scenario, JJ doesn’t have an atom’s wight of creativity. Lol.

Supposedly, the big issue was the hug shot. They couldn’t get it to look right with new/different hair, which makes sense, given that her hand’s literally in Rey’s hair, lol.

Movies Remastered said:

There were so many references to Finn being force sensitive in TROS that it can’t be anything else other than him telling Rey.

I doubt the cast will return for another movie so I’m sure we’ll find out in a comic or something soon.

What’s everyone’s take on Doomcocks info that Disney is gonna introduce different timelines to bypass the sequels?

Absolutely and hilariously ridiculous. Doomcock is a) an idiot, b) an asshole, and c) an idiotic asshole. He’s never been right about anything on a level beyond ‘a broken clock is right twice a day’.

Anakin Starkiller said: I 100% believed he was trying to tell Rey he loved her and was shocked to find people read it differently. I may not have picked up on Stormpilot, but Finn’s simp act is hard to miss. Why else would he rush over to the Death Star ruins?

…Because he cares about her? Han would have done the same thing for Luke.

idir_hh said:

omnimuffin said:

idir_hh said:

Hal 9000 said:
And as cool of an idea as it is, Palpatine’s microphone reading of “more than a clone, less than a man” just seems to different to fit in.

Maybe some of the audio wizards here could work on it?
Here’s the source: https://youtu.be/orSF0EvYRD4?t=1099

I’ve been meaning to do more work on it, but here’s a cleaner version. If used, it could probably use a just a hint of reverb and some bass boosting.

https://vocaroo.com/krCqQTl0X9j

A little choppy, but it’s an improvement.

What part is choppy for you? Edit: I think the choppiness is on the part of the audio upload site, not the audio clip itself.

idir_hh said:

Hal 9000 said:
And as cool of an idea as it is, Palpatine’s microphone reading of “more than a clone, less than a man” just seems to different to fit in.

Maybe some of the audio wizards here could work on it?
Here’s the source: https://youtu.be/orSF0EvYRD4?t=1099

I’ve been meaning to do more work on it, but here’s a cleaner version. If used, it could probably use a just a hint of reverb and some bass boosting.

https://vocaroo.com/krCqQTl0X9j

Burbin said:

Since no one has brought it up, what about trimming the line “Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew.”

It’s so dumb considering there was an entire war named after clones with no direct relation to the Sith.

I don’t think that he’s saying ‘only the sith knew how to clone people’, I think he’s including that on a list of things. IE, Dark Science + Cloning + Secrets only the Sith knew, rather than as a descriptor.